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Man Kills Another in Dispute Over War, Press and Police Call It a First
Editor And Publisher ^ | 08-07-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 08/07/2005 2:07:28 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel

NEW YORK-It was bound to happen sooner or later, and in what newspapers in Kentucky are calling a first, one American has killed another in a dispute over the Iraq war.

It happened at Floyd County flea market on Thursday, when two friends, who were firearms vendors there, drew guns after quarreling about the war. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, according to investigators.

Moore was released without being charged after he convinced police he had acted in self-defense.

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Wow. I wouldn't go this far, no matter how much I disagreed with somebody. Slapping them around a few times is a different matter, however.
1 posted on 08/07/2005 2:07:29 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Oh, there's more to the story than this. We'll probably never hear about it though.


2 posted on 08/07/2005 2:08:31 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Sounds fishy.


3 posted on 08/07/2005 2:08:57 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Sounds to me like the right prevails again.


4 posted on 08/07/2005 2:09:11 PM PDT by harpu
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To: AnAmericanMother

"Moore was released without being charged after he convinced police he had acted in self-defense."

It looks like he shot a traitor who was getting violent because he did not get his way.


5 posted on 08/07/2005 2:10:39 PM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

> Moore was released without being charged after he
> convinced police he had acted in self-defense.

So the peace-loving anti-war dude engaged in an armed
threat that provoked a need for someone to defend
themselves? Figures.


6 posted on 08/07/2005 2:11:11 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Bet the guy who opposed it was an anti gun freak and he fired without taking the safety off. These liberals are not rocket scientists when it comes to weapons use!


7 posted on 08/07/2005 2:11:26 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: msf92497; AnAmericanMother

The story, as is, sounds trite and incomplete.

There has to be more to the story, such as - who was threatening who, and who drew first.

The article implies that it was cold blooded murder, while the survivor says it was self defense. The article has an air of cynicism in regards to the man's defense.


8 posted on 08/07/2005 2:11:38 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: WestVirginiaRebel


One less anti war fool to deal with, however, I don't think I could/would go as far as shooting someone, that's just over the line, a dope slap or two, or three would suffice!


9 posted on 08/07/2005 2:11:38 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (What do you like best about your life?)
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To: DarthVader

Ironic that the anti-war person would be the first to draw a gun. Ironic, but sort of expected.


10 posted on 08/07/2005 2:11:47 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, according to investigators.

Moore was released without being charged after he convinced police he had acted in self-defense.

How about that? The "anti-war" guy drew first.

Sounds like he was slow on the draw in more than one way...

12 posted on 08/07/2005 2:12:54 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
The dead man was just a little slower.

Proof that liberalism kills.

13 posted on 08/07/2005 2:13:17 PM PDT by RushCrush (The mediocre always throw stones at the brilliant.)
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To: coloradan

"Ironic that the anti-war person would be the first to draw a gun. Ironic, but sort of expected."

And for the anti-war to be killed is sort of expected too. Darwin's Law at work.


14 posted on 08/07/2005 2:13:48 PM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Article with much more detail here:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/state/12317968.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp


15 posted on 08/07/2005 2:14:37 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Help stamp out unnecessary apostrophes.)
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One witness, Sam Hamman of Prestonsburg, told a newspaper, "Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here.”...

...This quickly escalated into an argument, then to a scuffle, and finally both men drew pistols outside a snack shed. The dead man was just a little slower...

...The daughter of the dead man said the two men were friends and had discussed Iraq before. She said her father "had different opinions than everybody. He felt it was wrong that all of these young people were losing their lives over what was going on. It was just a political disagreement, like a whole lot of people have."

"I'll stop the killing even if I have to kill you" bump...

16 posted on 08/07/2005 2:14:46 PM PDT by LRS
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
It was bound to happen sooner or later, and in what newspapers in Kentucky are calling a first, one American has killed another in a dispute over the Iraq war.

Landlord Killed in Dispute Over Keys

Boy is killed in dispute over neighbor’s mower

Dispute Over Cell Phone Ends In Stabbing Death

Man killed over chess dispute

17 posted on 08/07/2005 2:16:47 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: EllaMinnow

Nice article, and the MSM wonders why we don't trust them.


18 posted on 08/07/2005 2:17:42 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Well, since he was released because of self defense it sounds like once more a peace loving war hater tried to kill someone because the peace lover hated killing. Make sense? Only a lefty would have such reasoning.


19 posted on 08/07/2005 2:17:45 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Just a thought, let's not "actually" hurt the liberals, no matter how much you may really, really want to at the time.


Killing someone is just going way overboard.


20 posted on 08/07/2005 2:19:22 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (I got an idea, and idea so devious my head would explode if I even began to know what it was.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
This quickly escalated into an argument, then to a scuffle, and finally both men drew pistols outside a snack shed. The dead man was just a little slower. Witnesses said he stood for about five seconds before falling on the paved walkway.

My challenge was answered in less than a heartbeat
The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor
21 posted on 08/07/2005 2:19:30 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Boundless

I doubt that the occupation of firearms dealer draws very many hippie-types; could he have been an isolationist conservative? Figures that the presstitutes would have a field day with it, though...


22 posted on 08/07/2005 2:20:18 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; All
" Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it,..."

All's well that ends well.

23 posted on 08/07/2005 2:21:45 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: trubluolyguy

The shooter is not being charged with a crime. The article doesn't provide much detail, but it looks like it was supposed to be a liberal killing a supporter of the war, but he messed with the wrong guy.


24 posted on 08/07/2005 2:21:45 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Gnip Gnop

Ah, Today's Troll!

AMF


25 posted on 08/07/2005 2:22:05 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: davisfh

Right always triumphs over wrong!


26 posted on 08/07/2005 2:24:07 PM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Tragic, but it's not as if the Dems will lose his vote.
27 posted on 08/07/2005 2:25:34 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I wonder what the DU bunch thinks about this story.


28 posted on 08/07/2005 2:26:07 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I wonder if Douglas Moore has a middle name of 'Clayton' is a.k.a. "The Lone Ranger" LOL


29 posted on 08/07/2005 2:26:11 PM PDT by moonman
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To: Gnip Gnop

You got purdy lips.


30 posted on 08/07/2005 2:26:11 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Gnip Gnop

If you're "allowed" then it aint no escape, DUmmie.


31 posted on 08/07/2005 2:27:09 PM PDT by motzman (Verizon, the Hitler of phone companies)
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To: Gnip Gnop

Pull my finger.


33 posted on 08/07/2005 2:29:06 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Gnip Gnop; Admin Moderator

34 posted on 08/07/2005 2:29:30 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: dc-zoo
I wonder what the DU bunch thinks about this story.

It depends on what story your talking about. They probably love the NY version that left out a lot of facts. They probably hate the full version that has the leftist drawing first.

35 posted on 08/07/2005 2:31:11 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: moonman

"I wonder if Douglas Moore has a middle name of 'Clayton' is a.k.a. "The Lone Ranger" LOL"

I think it is more than likely Wyatt Earp.:-)


36 posted on 08/07/2005 2:32:52 PM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: coconutt2000

I went to Newspapers for Floyd County. Underneath the photo, it said that the police had investigated and decided from all the evidence that it was self defense. I refused to register to read the full story.


37 posted on 08/07/2005 2:33:41 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: Gnip Gnop

Ah, somewhere a village has lost its idiot.


38 posted on 08/07/2005 2:34:09 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
The article said they were both gun vendors. In I think, the second sentence.
39 posted on 08/07/2005 2:36:30 PM PDT by lolhelp
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To: DarthVader
"Right always triumphs over wrong"

Right. Perhaps not always immediately, but in the end...

40 posted on 08/07/2005 2:37:13 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Sounds like the title of this should be: "Patriot defends himself against anti-war zealot"


41 posted on 08/07/2005 2:40:15 PM PDT by tje
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To: MamaB

http://www.bugmenot.com/ has a login and password.


42 posted on 08/07/2005 2:41:09 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
The story shows one of the reasons that "shooting to wound" is almost always a bad idea. If you are justified in "shooting to wound" you are justified in killing.

It is called "deadly force" for a reason.

43 posted on 08/07/2005 2:43:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Here in Minnesota the lefties are getting quite violent, especially in the Twin Cities, moreso in Minneapolis.

See www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com

After some exchanges that I have gotten in (when the other person finds out that I do not bow down to leftist orthodoxy), the only thing that currently keeps me from driving in Minnesota with a Texas drivers license and Texas tags is the fact that the current governor is a Republican (although I have my disagreements with Pawlenty, the DFL on the other hand are all Marxist moonbats).


44 posted on 08/07/2005 2:48:48 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: harpu
Sounds to me like the right prevails again.

My sentiments, exactly! Eventually, those who support the President, this country and the war are going to strike back. Unfortunately, this time, it was lethal!

45 posted on 08/07/2005 2:49:39 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: trubluolyguy
Killing someone is just going way overboard.

Let me get this straight; a lib comes at you, pulling a pistol as he does, and you are saying you would............................?

46 posted on 08/07/2005 2:53:11 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Yeah and it "takes a village" to lose one.


47 posted on 08/07/2005 2:57:50 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Balding_Eagle
Well, first I'd say, "You're a liberal, what are you doing with a gun?"

While he was trying to figure it out, then I'd shoot him.

48 posted on 08/07/2005 3:02:03 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Fire arms vendors at a flea market, IN NEW YORK??? That's the part that is hard to believe. Can't happen where I live.


49 posted on 08/07/2005 3:13:56 PM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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To: fish hawk

The article said this happened in Kentucky.


50 posted on 08/07/2005 3:17:05 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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