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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 13
Various News Outlets | 8/7/05

Posted on 08/07/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: aruba; arubancorruption; beth; bethandjug; boycottaruba; carloscharlies; courageousmom; daviejoneslocker; deepak; deepkrap; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kalpooeys; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway
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1 posted on 08/07/2005 5:22:35 PM PDT by TexKat
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FBI gains access to Aruban files

Judge allows police to share info on missing teen with agency

From staff and wire reports

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — A judge has ruled that Aruban police can share information with the FBI about a missing Mississippi native, striking down a defense motion that sought to prevent the American agency from gaining access to investigation files, the attorney general said Saturday.

The decision means the FBI, acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case, can receive transcripts of interrogations and information collected by Aruban investigators, said Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen.

FBI agents, who've been on the Dutch Caribbean island since former Clinton, Miss., resident Natalee Holloway disappeared May 30, were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister. Holloway's father, Dave Holloway of Meridian, Miss., said Saturday he's pleased to hear of the judge's ruling. "It gives more eyes and ears to the investigation," he said. "If the FBI can give any input or recommendation to the Aruban authorities, that's good."

Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained since June 9 in the disappearance, had argued that the FBI didn't have jurisdiction.

Calls to defense lawyers seeking comment were not immediately returned. Janssen said she had not received a copy of the ruling issued Friday and could not discuss it. Van der Sloot turned 18 Saturday and, because he is no longer a minor, will only be allowed visits by his parents once a week.

Holloway lives with her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in Mountain Brook, Ala. Holloway attended Clinton Junior High before moving to Alabama. The 18-year-old honors student disappeared on the last day of a graduation trip to Aruba with 124 classmates. She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and two of his friends.

2 posted on 08/07/2005 5:27:51 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Hey TexKat, glad you're back.


3 posted on 08/07/2005 5:36:57 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy

Welcome back.


4 posted on 08/07/2005 5:38:05 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: TexKat

Welcome back.


5 posted on 08/07/2005 5:39:35 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: TexKat

Hey TK. Been gone too. Just checking the news.


6 posted on 08/07/2005 5:43:17 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: justche

new thread


7 posted on 08/07/2005 5:50:37 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche

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8 posted on 08/07/2005 5:57:53 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: TexKat

Welcome home, anchor lady.
You float our boat ":^)


9 posted on 08/07/2005 5:58:53 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady

bttt


10 posted on 08/07/2005 6:00:23 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: doodlelady
:)

And you float mine!! :)

11 posted on 08/07/2005 6:05:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

It's a ripple effect! ";^)


12 posted on 08/07/2005 6:09:35 PM PDT by b9
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To: TexKat
So glad you are back..I was gone for a week and just caught up with all the news... was truly concerned when I did not see our leader... so glad you are at the helm again....

Pray that this week we will find some answers to the million issues we have all surfaced.. and that Natalee's family finds some peace..

Warmly.. the Ole Fritzy....
13 posted on 08/07/2005 6:11:02 PM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: TAquinas; Dolphy; truthluva; doodlelady
Thank you all, glad to be back. I had a very nice weekend. Went to the Texas State Capitol Building today. I had not been there in ages. Took a bunch of pictures.

I did catch a glimpse of Fox News last night and saw the report that another piece of duct tape with attached seaweed and strands of hair was found. Oh boy here we go again.

14 posted on 08/07/2005 6:13:46 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Andy'smom; NCjim; sissyjane; antceecee; ruoflaw; Mare; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...

New Natalee Holloway Thread ping!!


15 posted on 08/07/2005 6:15:53 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Hey TexKat welcome back.

Ahh the state building. See the Gov? :)
We want to visit lake Travis in the fall, see the leaves turn.


16 posted on 08/07/2005 6:20:21 PM PDT by stopem
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To: TexKat; All

Sounds like anoter surfer...duct tape with hair. Are all surfers blondes??

Heard Greta inteview some MB kids. Was listening on XM radio. (We were in St Louis this weekend). Didn't actually see the show.

So...judge ruled in favor of FBI gets to see the information collected in the invetigation. Must have PO'd the defense.

Now thay Joran is 18 will he be moved to big boy jail?

Anything new on the landfill search? Are they still searching there?


17 posted on 08/07/2005 6:21:24 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat

Texkat,
Glad for your safe return and back with the rest of us. I thought I would drop in to let you know what condition my condition is in. Sincerely,
NSNR-KRNE


18 posted on 08/07/2005 6:24:00 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: TexKat

Yea! New Thread!


19 posted on 08/07/2005 6:31:01 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: TexKat

Hope you had some nice R&R afk (away from keyboard).


20 posted on 08/07/2005 6:33:23 PM PDT by Canedawg (Two ears, one mouth)
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To: stopem

Thanks stopem. No, we did not get to see the Gov. We got there rather early this morning, very few people. It was nice. More people were coming in as we were leaving. We went to eat bar-b-que at County Line Restaurant, but we went to their other restaurant not the one at lake Travis. Next time we will go to Lake Travis. My better half is trying to get me to ride the valkyrie down there in the fall. I'm thinking about it, but not thinking very hard.


21 posted on 08/07/2005 6:33:59 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Fritzy
Pray that this week we will find some answers to the million issues we have all surfaced.. and that Natalee's family finds some peace..

Hey Fritzy, thank you.

Yes it is time for answers for this family. This is beyond ridiculous. Prayers are going up for all of Natalee's family and love ones as well as Natalee.

22 posted on 08/07/2005 6:38:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

That is some beautiful country there. Glad to hear you had a good time.


23 posted on 08/07/2005 6:39:43 PM PDT by stopem
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To: Canedawg
Hope you had some nice R&R afk (away from keyboard).

I did Canedawg although you guys and Natalee were constantly on my mind.

24 posted on 08/07/2005 6:40:06 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Goodnight all. See you in the a.m..

Sleep tight!!

25 posted on 08/07/2005 6:41:17 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

mark


26 posted on 08/07/2005 6:41:28 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: TexKat

"I'm thinking about it, but not thinking very hard."

Are you thinking what I think you're thinking about?

Welcome back!


27 posted on 08/07/2005 6:43:42 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: TexKat

Welcome back, TexKat!

The board missed you.
And honestly, we were all very well behaved!


28 posted on 08/07/2005 6:47:16 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Yea! Finally one I recognize, LOL! Kenny Rogers and the First Edition.


29 posted on 08/07/2005 6:49:15 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: TAquinas

Riding on the back of a motorcycle on a long distance trip. Short distances are fine. I don't particularly care for the long distances. But baby loves to ride!!


30 posted on 08/07/2005 6:50:19 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: RGVTx
Thanks RGVTx.

And honestly, we were all very well behaved!

Lol, you've got to be kidding.

31 posted on 08/07/2005 6:52:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: All
AOL just had a poll asking if 1) people thought Greta was too involved in the case and 2) if people were still interested in the case..

Here's the problem I have. Greta is the ONLY one right now from the media who is paying attention to this story. I sincerely believe Greta has a personal commitment to the Twitty-Holloway family because she has gone so far with them.

There is also an article saying that "critics" think Greta is getting too involved.

That upset me. I would like to send those critics to Natalie's mom and see what they say after wards...
32 posted on 08/07/2005 6:55:34 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Waiting for my Club Git'Mo shirt to arrive..... ...)
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To: TexKat

Well, everybody can attest I have comported myself in a gentlemanly manner, I think.


33 posted on 08/07/2005 6:55:41 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU

Do you have a link so we can FReep this poll?


34 posted on 08/07/2005 6:56:41 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: TexKat
Thanks, TexKat. Can't get my Natalee fix without you and your great posts.

The decision means the FBI, acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case, can receive transcripts of interrogations and information collected by Aruban investigators, said Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen.

I'm hoping all the transcript sharing will be on the "up and up". I just don't trust these people, but surely our FBI would know if they're getting duped, wouldn't ya think?

35 posted on 08/07/2005 6:57:09 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: TAquinas

Of course.. http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/tv/article.adp?id=20050807134409990008&ncid=NWS00010000000001

I hope that gets you there.. The results are not too bad. But it just upsets me that they think this is a joke or something. This is someones life.

How interested are you in the Aruba case?
Very 46%
Somewhat 37%
Not at all 17%

How would you rate the amount of attention Van Susteren gives the case?
It's just right 46%
It's too much 43%
It's not enough 11%
Total Votes: 69,486
Note on Poll Results


36 posted on 08/07/2005 6:58:19 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Waiting for my Club Git'Mo shirt to arrive..... ...)
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU

" Here's the problem I have. Greta is the ONLY one right now from the media who is paying attention to this story."

There are other networks who are covering the story as well.

Nancy Grace - CNN Headline News

Scarborough - MSNBC

Court TV -

Geraldo at Large - Fox Cable - Live as I type. :) Beth is on right now~!!!


37 posted on 08/07/2005 7:02:29 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777

I will have to catch it later. I mean no other reporter is as dedicated...

I don't really watch the other networks anyways, lol....


38 posted on 08/07/2005 7:05:22 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (Waiting for my Club Git'Mo shirt to arrive..... ...)
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU
Funny, while I've enjoyed Greta's reports on Natalee's story immensley, I bitched about her the other day. I was critical because Greta seemed to be preaching that she doubted Joran would continue to be held without evidence that Natalee is deceased. She was emphatic that the guys who were with Natalee last would end up walking and I didn't appreciate her opinion one damn bit. I know Fox News isn't aired in Aruba, but I guarantee you the powers that be know good and well what is being said. The government is corrupt enough without one of our media stars announcing to everyone that the perps will probably walk. She interjected too much negative opinion about the investigation, IMO!

I still like Greta, but it kills me that so much is being placed on "no body, no crime".

39 posted on 08/07/2005 7:05:54 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Dark Skies; Vn_survivor_67-68

Good posts in that last thread. Very plausible scenarios.

Even with Joran being advised by Paulus from the beginning to shut up, he talked anyway. Joran told many stories in the beginning, then he went silent. What finally made Joran go silent?

Did Joran and Paulus become too beholding to others who helped to hide the original crime?



Has the heat from the publicity caused these 'others' to demand Joran's silence to prevent their implication in a cover up?


40 posted on 08/07/2005 7:08:34 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: looney tune

New thread bump


41 posted on 08/07/2005 7:15:41 PM PDT by looney tune
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To: penowa

Thanks for the Posner info on the last thread.

Is the place Posner bought in 2001 in Aruba?


42 posted on 08/07/2005 7:18:25 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: TexKat

If anyone says otherwise, they'll forever be known as a ratfink! ;)


43 posted on 08/07/2005 7:28:36 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU

Thanks for the link to the AOL poll. I voted on it.

I've been watching all of them when I get the chance. My TV clicker has gotten lots of use, going back and forth between different networks, as I try to hear the latest on Natalee.

I'm so grateful for all the coverage thus far and hope it continues. What happened to Natalee, could have happened to anyone visiting a place like Aruba. I don't think the LE in Aruba are incompetent. Almost immediately they went into a cover-up mode. The question is why and for whom. I sure hope the Twitty's and Holloway's get the answers, but even more important - they get their precious daughter back.


44 posted on 08/07/2005 7:36:40 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: cajungirl
What is the 'declaration' that Beth is talking about seeing 5 of?

When do you think she's just going to let EVERYTHING out?

45 posted on 08/07/2005 7:39:45 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: TexKat
We missed you...now, get back to work!!...LOL

Seriously, when you are rested, would you please look for the transcript of Anita and Greta? Thank you.

46 posted on 08/07/2005 7:40:17 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: justche

Very poor grammar alert to previous post...sorry, I know not to end a sentence with a preposition.


47 posted on 08/07/2005 7:40:26 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: truthluva
(We were in St Louis this weekend).

Did you catch a Cardinal game?

48 posted on 08/07/2005 7:41:26 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Pepper777

Beth says she took 6 declarations home with her when she left Aruba. She had recieved one declaration that was torn. Beth says it shows how sloppy this case is being handled since she was able to get these declarations.

Beth says Joran admitted having sexual relations with Natalee in the back seat of Deepak's car. Wants to know if the Kalpoes were participants or observers.


49 posted on 08/07/2005 7:44:18 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU

For Peet's Sake! AOL should mind their own business! I agree with you, Greta has made a personal commitment to Beth, as Beth needs all the help that she can get. The Aruban Gov't & Polis is a joke. This woman has been through so much and still remains strong. Truly a "Steel Magnolia"! God bless her!


50 posted on 08/07/2005 7:44:53 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland ("Consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies")
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