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'Three Stooges' Action Lands Boy in Court
Yahoo News & Mail Tribune ^ | August 8, 2005

Posted on 08/07/2005 9:58:33 PM PDT by lunarbicep

'Three Stooges' Action Lands Boy in Court

A 15-year-old boy who pinched and twisted the nipples of a 13-year-old has been sentenced to three days of community service for harassment.

David Thumler, 15, said the "titty-twister" was just horseplay. The mother of 13-year-old Matthew Cox counters that the incident was humiliating for her son, who saw it as an assault from an older, bigger bully.

"They're not friends," she said. "If he was my son's friend, it would be a different thing," said Bobby Cox.

In addition to the community service, Thumler has been ordered to pay a $67 fine and the misdemeanor has been placed on his permanent record. He can request to have it removed when he turns 18.

Ken Chapman, a Jackson County juvenile probation supervisor, said Oregon law defines physical harassment as "offensive physical touching."

That includes such adolescent antics as "wet-willies," "wedgies," "swirlies," "noogies" and all other forms of "Three Stooges" behavior, Chapman said.

According to David, the two boys were in line at a local deli when Matthew jokingly made an embarrassing remark to the female clerk about David. In retaliation, David counterattacked with the "titty-twister," the 15-year-old said.

"It's a thing of camaraderie," David said. "If he's going to assume our friendship is on that level, then so am I."

A lawyer hired by the 15-year-old's family called the juvenile court's actions "Orwellian."

"They call this 'baby assault,'" said Michael Kellington, a criminal defense attorney in Medford, hired by the family.

Even Bobby Cox said she was surprised to hear that her husbands' call to Gold Hill police resulted in court time for the boy. "Nobody informed me it would be a full-blown trial," she said.

According to Kellington, the incident was blown out of proportion in part because David's mother refused to let him show up for an initial hearing in juvenile court. Christine Alford, David's mother, said she did not let her son attend the hearing because she had seen photos of teenagers in handcuffs on the county's Web site.

Kellington said that Alford's refusal to let David go upped the ante and brought down "unfair, Draconian measures" upon her son. What should have been a discussion between first-time-offender and a representative of the juvenile justice system became a court trial.

"The mom is understandably fearful," said Kellington. "You shouldn't retaliate for the decision of a parent upon the child."

Chapman, the juvenile probation supervisor, said the mother should have known better.

"'Hearing' doesn't mean 'taking into custody,'" he said. "When we take someone into custody, we don't make appointments. If there's a consequence for not coming in informally, well, that's one they chose."

 


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To: Zack Attack
What's the statute of limitations on a wedgie?

Atomic or regular ?
51 posted on 08/08/2005 8:31:49 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Shazbot29

Yes I certainly was. I have scars on my nose and betweeen my eyes from an accident when I was a baby. They aren't so bad now, but when I was younger they were bad, I was also a runt. I got severly picked on up until 8th grade until I grew up and got athletic. When moving on to HS I still had the scars and the kids were bigger than me. Smae story all over. I faught back and earned respect. I also spent many evening crying because of the torture I was put through. I said in my first post that I was speaking from experience, and I am.


52 posted on 08/08/2005 10:04:48 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: McBuff
This is of course relative to the cross sectional area of the offensive nature of the abuse divided by the relative feelings of the offended. This is compounded by the relative composure of the courts to the nth power multiplied by the variable Z.

To put it another way, the culture of moral relativism in the hands of an out of control court system will always create bad law. I am surprised they did not take the parents home, all of their savings, and put the little titty-twister in a cell with Bubba the Animal. There is no moderation for such parents and no example rooted in strong moral values available for a generation destined to face a train ride to disaster around every corner.
53 posted on 08/08/2005 11:01:35 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: ApplegateRanch

I AM SURE THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE TO BACK UP YOUR WORDS HERE, BUT WHEN DID I PUBLICLY SAY I WAS A TROUBLE MAKER?

I REALLY CAN'T APOLOGIZE THAT I CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, LIKE TAKING 2 DIRTY COPS OFF THE STREET, PERMANENTLY, OR SAVING THE TAXPAYERS OVER $250,OOO JUST IN OVER WATER CHARGES. IF THE COST OF DOING THAT IS TO BECOME THE 'LAUGHING STOCK' TO THE ILL-INFORMED, LIKE YOURSELF, SO BE IT, EVER WONDER WHY YOU END UP WITH DICKLESS REPRESENTING YOU IN EVERY ASPECT OF GOVERNMENT? LOOK AT YOUR DONKEY FACE IN THE MIRROR FOR THE ANSWER.
THERE WAS NO PRELIMINARY HEARING THAT WAS MISSED. SO YOU JUST MADE THAT UP.
DAVID WAS BAR MITZVAH AT 13 AND MAKES HIS OWN DECISIONS. HE WANTED HIS NAME CLEARED.

THE EVENT WAS ORIGNALLY SENT FROM THE GHPD TO JUVENILE AS A NON CRIMINAL INCIDENT. IT ESCALATED WITHIN THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT TO A CRIME BECAUSE DAVID DECLIEND TO GO IN FOR A VOLUNTARY EXAMINATION AND OPTED TO TRY AND CLEAR HIS NAME BEFORE A JUDGE. HE HAD WORKED ALL SUMMER CHIPPING PAINT TO PAY THE $700 ATTORNEY BILL. AMONGST OTHER THINGS TODAY WE LEARNED THAT THE COX BOY ROUTINELY PUNCHES NEIGHBOR KIDS SMALLER THAN HIM IN THE CROTCH. NO SURPRISE. THE FATHER HAS FILED NUMEROUS CHARGES AGAINST DOZENS OF NEIGHBORS MOSTLY OVER HIS BOY WHO HE HAS REALLY MADE INTO A FREAK. DAVID WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD TREATING THE BOY THE SAME WAY THAT NORMAL BOYS TREAT EACH OTHER. THE BOY IS A LIAR AND WAS CAUGHT LYING ON THE WITNESS STAND SAYING THAT HE WAS ALSO PUNCHED IN THE STOMACH, HAD HIS CAR VANDALIZED AND OTHER WILD ACCUSATIONS, HIS TESTIMONY IS THE BASIS OF A COMPLAINT GOING BEFORE THE BAR AGAINST MIK SMITH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY. SMITH HIMSELF DID NOT BELIEVE HIS OWN WITNESS IN THE END.
DAVID HIMSELF IS ABOUT AS FAR AWAY FROM A BULLY AS YOU COULD IMAGINE. IN 4TH AND 5TH GRADE HE VOLUNTEERED HIS TIME TO TRAIN AS A TUTOR FOR SLOWER KIDS AND THEN VOLUNTEERED TO OVER TWO YEARS DOING THE SAME. HE IS VERY HIGHLY REGARDED AMONGST BOTH TEACHERS AND KIDS AS FAIR AND HONEST. YES, HE DOES PLACE A VALUE ON HIS NAME AND REPUTAION AND THEREFORE THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH TRYING TO DEFEND, AND I SUPPORT HIM ALL THE WAY.
APPLEGATE RANCH, TEACH YOUR OWN KIDS TO GROVEL AND TUCK THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS, I'LL TEACH MY KIDS NOT TO BE COWARDS OR TO HESITATE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE PREDICTABLE CENSURE OF THE WITLESS P-NUT GALLERY.


54 posted on 08/10/2005 11:08:27 PM PDT by Christine Alford (CHRISTINE ALFORD)
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To: lunarbicep

A lawyer hired by the 15-year-old's family called the juvenile court's actions "Orwellian."..........oh, a WISEGUY!!!


55 posted on 08/10/2005 11:13:25 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Christine Alford

To: ApplegateRanch
I AM SURE THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE TO BACK UP YOUR WORDS HERE, BUT WHEN DID I PUBLICLY SAY I WAS A TROUBLE MAKER?

I REALLY CAN'T APOLOGIZE THAT I CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, LIKE TAKING 2 DIRTY COPS OFF THE STREET, PERMANENTLY, OR SAVING THE TAXPAYERS OVER $250,OOO JUST IN OVER WATER CHARGES. IF THE COST OF DOING THAT IS TO BECOME THE 'LAUGHING STOCK' TO THE ILL-INFORMED, LIKE YOURSELF, SO BE IT, EVER WONDER WHY YOU END UP WITH DICKLESS REPRESENTING YOU IN EVERY ASPECT OF GOVERNMENT? LOOK AT YOUR DONKEY FACE IN THE MIRROR FOR THE ANSWER.
THERE WAS NO PRELIMINARY HEARING THAT WAS MISSED. SO YOU JUST MADE THAT UP.
DAVID WAS BAR MITZVAH AT 13 AND MAKES HIS OWN DECISIONS. HE WANTED HIS NAME CLEARED.

THE EVENT WAS ORIGNALLY SENT FROM THE GHPD TO JUVENILE AS A NON CRIMINAL INCIDENT. IT ESCALATED WITHIN THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT TO A CRIME BECAUSE DAVID DECLIEND TO GO IN FOR A VOLUNTARY EXAMINATION AND OPTED TO TRY AND CLEAR HIS NAME BEFORE A JUDGE. HE HAD WORKED ALL SUMMER CHIPPING PAINT TO PAY THE $700 ATTORNEY BILL. AMONGST OTHER THINGS TODAY WE LEARNED THAT THE COX BOY ROUTINELY PUNCHES NEIGHBOR KIDS SMALLER THAN HIM IN THE CROTCH. NO SURPRISE. THE FATHER HAS FILED NUMEROUS CHARGES AGAINST DOZENS OF NEIGHBORS MOSTLY OVER HIS BOY WHO HE HAS REALLY MADE INTO A FREAK. DAVID WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD TREATING THE BOY THE SAME WAY THAT NORMAL BOYS TREAT EACH OTHER. THE BOY IS A LIAR AND WAS CAUGHT LYING ON THE WITNESS STAND SAYING THAT HE WAS ALSO PUNCHED IN THE STOMACH, HAD HIS CAR VANDALIZED AND OTHER WILD ACCUSATIONS, HIS TESTIMONY IS THE BASIS OF A COMPLAINT GOING BEFORE THE BAR AGAINST MIK SMITH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY. SMITH HIMSELF DID NOT BELIEVE HIS OWN WITNESS IN THE END.
DAVID HIMSELF IS ABOUT AS FAR AWAY FROM A BULLY AS YOU COULD IMAGINE. IN 4TH AND 5TH GRADE HE VOLUNTEERED HIS TIME TO TRAIN AS A TUTOR FOR SLOWER KIDS AND THEN VOLUNTEERED TO OVER TWO YEARS DOING THE SAME. HE IS VERY HIGHLY REGARDED AMONGST BOTH TEACHERS AND KIDS AS FAIR AND HONEST. YES, HE DOES PLACE A VALUE ON HIS NAME AND REPUTAION AND THEREFORE THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH TRYING TO DEFEND, AND I SUPPORT HIM ALL THE WAY.
APPLEGATE RANCH, TEACH YOUR OWN KIDS TO GROVEL AND TUCK THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS, I'LL TEACH MY KIDS NOT TO BE COWARDS OR TO HESITATE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE PREDICTABLE CENSURE OF THE WITLESS P-NUT GALLERY.




54 posted on 08/10/2005 11:08:27 PM PDT by Christine Alford (CHRISTINE ALFORD)
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56 posted on 08/10/2005 11:13:34 PM PDT by Christine Alford (CHRISTINE ALFORD)
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To: isom35

Why does the remark Orwelllian, make the lawyer a "wise guy"? It doesn't even compete with this one "We tried to calm him down with pepper spray" quoted from one of the Park rangers after they capped the guy at Crater Lake.


57 posted on 08/10/2005 11:17:37 PM PDT by Christine Alford (CHRISTINE ALFORD)
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To: ApplegateRanch

My name is David Thumler, if any one would like to ask me anything that isn't clear as to this ridiculous conviction, post here and I will reply whenever I can.


58 posted on 08/10/2005 11:40:22 PM PDT by Christine Alford (David Thumler)
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To: Christine Alford

"Wiseguy" is a thing Curly used to say once in a while. hey, what's with the caps in the above posts?


59 posted on 08/10/2005 11:50:57 PM PDT by isom35
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To: isom35
I don't need the caps but it is a surprise to see some unknown person "applegate ranch' shooting at me from the hip. I think the caps were used because I can use my name and he doesn't. I paid a high price for doing some radical things, like taking down a couple of dirty cops and a few other exposes, and 'applegate ranch's' comments were so atypical of the kind of sniping that you step in everyday, they are usually ill-informed and their carping generally consists of just "hee-haw' but their braying becomes a subtexts, an obstacle in itself. If you never put yourself out where you knew that the cost would be some measure of public ridicule, you won't know what I am talking about. But I guess the caps were as close as I could get to kicking him, like that little Mario kicks those turtle things in Mario Brothers.
60 posted on 08/11/2005 12:27:09 AM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: jonrick46
You are pretty perceptive. That was the real issue, not the titty twister itself, even the silly man who called the cops wasn't the main issue. The incident was sent in to the Juvenile Department (aptly named), as a NON CRIMINAL INCIDENT. He was then "scheduled by his probation officer to an intake interview" in order to examine him further. Notice anything missing? no accusing instrument, no plea, trial, conviction??? Well we did, I think anyone who watches lawyer movies would. When David declined to attend their star chamber, then it became a crime extraordinaire. It was only the sensational nature of the "crime" that brought this farce of system to light. There were plenty of people that told David not to go further, go in and kiss up to Ian McDonald but he is young and as yet, not as calloused as we have all become about the system. The only thing anyone really feared was having to attend one of their mind numbing "programs", like the offender program, or the "fire started program" any way, I didn't teach my children to "salute the hat" of every public employee that envisions himself as more powerful than he should be allowed to be. Judge Crain should consider running a laundromat, she would be better suited to it.
61 posted on 08/11/2005 12:39:07 AM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Christine Alford

So, who are you, Christine Alford or David Thumler?


62 posted on 08/11/2005 1:11:56 AM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: lunarbicep
"Oh, a wise guy, eh?"

"We are morons through and through, here to do our job for you!"

63 posted on 08/11/2005 1:26:55 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: Christine Alford

So, Christine, you or David can answer my previous query- unless there are others within, just waiting to respond. Hey, let's have a Freeper bi-valve seance?


64 posted on 08/11/2005 1:35:04 AM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Christine Alford
August 7, 2005
‘Stooges’ act gets teen fine, sentence
Families dispute events between Gold Hill boys
By SANNE SPECHT
Mail Tribune

Alford’s refusal to let David go to the intake hearing upped the ante and brought down "unfair, Draconian measures" upon her son, Kellington said.

"Intake hearing" has been used here; in the original article I commented from, "the word was "initial"; that is normally synonymous to 'preliminary'. In any case, that is a quibble; the fact stated in every article is that a hearing was deliberately missed, by your refusal to allow attendance.

"One resident who's proud of her reputation as a troublemaker is former Councilwoman Christine Alford, who last summer collected written complaints about Crawford and passed them on to Jackson County's sheriff and district attorney and Gold Hill officials."

Newshawk: Portland NORML (http://www.pdxnorml.org/)
Pubdate: Sun, Apr 25 1999
Source: Oregonian, The (OR)
Copyright: 1999 The Oregonian

Okay, I'll publicly apologize.
I'm sorry I put words in your mouth, simply because a news story had already done so. It was an attribution, not a quote. I did not read carefully enough, while synthesizing several search results.

I'LL TEACH MY KIDS NOT TO BE COWARDS OR TO HESITATE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT...

So, it is "right" to physically respond (commit assault) in response to a non-direct verbal statement, made to a third party? Confront, and defend, yes; physically attack, no.

65 posted on 08/11/2005 11:01:57 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: All
A massive physical assault is the only answer to this type of abuse. On one occasion a 2x4 to the gut as the bully turned the corner was a valuable lessoned learned by him as to whom he could and could not be pick on. If they are not left bloody or gasping for air then your retaliation will only egg them on.

If you are of the mind that a titty twister never REALLY hurt anyone, then I agree. Likewise, a massive blow to the gut with a board or to the knee with a bat will not kill you but it will send a message. Additionally, if your ribs are broken, it becomes difficult to bully. If your knee is bent backward, it becomes difficult to walk, let alone bully.

If someone is going to court, let it be me. Let the bully explain to his friends how someone half his size managed to get the better of him.
66 posted on 08/11/2005 11:19:22 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: ApplegateRanch
You miss the point, I don't condone the twisting, never did it, never even knew it was a "thing". But since may others have 'read between the lines" and had it clarified even more by Ken Chapman, David was punished not for the action, that they admit would not have resulted in court, he was punished because he declined their invitation to be further examined. If the original officer Dean Muchow, filed a NON CRIMINAL INCIDENT report, and NO CITATION was issued, what exactly could be gained by submitting to further examination? I don't want my children to learn to give up any rights they have, like the right to say you are innocent (his guilt was judged on his intention by the way, not the action), just because "you are really going to get it if you buck the "system". Today, they further demonstrated their sadistic tendencies by placing a phone call to the Gold Hill Public Works director informing him that David can not do his community service at the public works, although other offenders will still be assigned there. When is it a good time to reign in abusive public employees? only after they are caught on video tape "punishing" people with broomsticks in orifices?
67 posted on 08/11/2005 1:28:43 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: texan75010
I can see that point to and if it was a case of David bullying someone, I would be the first to be after him for it. I always told my kids when some one bullied them, "I am sorry about that, but I'll be sorrier if I ever find out you treated someone like that."
The victim is 25 lbs heavier than David. There was no existing problem between the boys until the father made something out of it that it wasn't. When the waitress said to David "What do you want" and the Cox kid chimed in "yo mama" do you think that was taken at face value? My son saw an awkward kid who he thought was trying to act cool to fit in and my son treated him the way that they treat each other. The reason that the subsequent representation of this thing was so offensive to us is EXACTLY because David was depicted as an uncivilized bully when the opposite is true. He is a kind person and never would have deliberately exacerbated a socially backwards child problem. I found out later that David believed titty twisters to be okay because it is usual and customary practice in the school, including teachers giving them to kids. Mr. Lewis, a teacher of Davids, came to court to testify to that fact. I was not aware of that code, but apparently titty twisters are only given to comrades, not enemies. On the other hand, I can not say I was surprised when an 11 year old boy yesterday stated that Matt Cox, his neighbor, routinely punches him in the balls, an action that I don't believe has ever been construed as friendly.
68 posted on 08/11/2005 1:39:55 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Treader

I will answer them if I can find your posts.


69 posted on 08/11/2005 1:46:42 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Treader

I am Christine, Davdi just stopped by and used my registration last night,


70 posted on 08/11/2005 5:15:22 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Treader

I can't find any posts that are from TREADER, maybe I am looking in the wrong place.


71 posted on 08/11/2005 5:23:40 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: lunarbicep

Come on, I've been lifted up by my nipples... life goes on.


72 posted on 08/11/2005 5:25:00 PM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: lunarbicep

Personally, I find the 15 yo's behavior irresponsible, bullying, and crude. The 15 yo first needs to apologize in open court to the 13 yo and then perform 3 months of community service.

Why involve the court? It is clear that the 15 yo was raised by parents incapable of dealing as adults with other adults to retify this situation.

IMHO, The 15 yo should have been charged with sexual assault!


73 posted on 08/11/2005 5:28:08 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: lunarbicep

See, now, we used to call this maneuver a "purple nurple."


74 posted on 08/11/2005 5:31:27 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Christine Alford

If your kid gave my 13 yr/old a "titty twister", I'd call the cops too. I don't believe bullying should be left to kids to resolve. I believe it should be stopped by adults, preferably the parents. But these days so many parents make excuses for their kids that the cops would probably be necessary.


75 posted on 08/11/2005 5:54:55 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: so_real

This isn't moral relativism. If I kiss my wife that is one thing. If some other guy does it, it is assault (double assault, because after he does it, I will assault HIM). When a friend punches your arm in jest, that is one thing, it is almost welcome, but not so the neighborhood bully. Sorry, I have to disagree with you on this point.


76 posted on 08/11/2005 6:06:25 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Crim
Wonder how bad the kid will be taunted now?...his mommy and daddy had to call the cops over a titty twister?

Next thing you know, somebody's gonna give this kid an Atomic Wedgie!

77 posted on 08/11/2005 6:12:32 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Treader

I can't find any posts that are from TREADER, maybe I am looking in the wrong place.


78 posted on 08/11/2005 6:49:11 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Treader

I can't find any posts that are from TREADER, maybe I am looking in the wrong place.


79 posted on 08/11/2005 6:49:13 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Billthedrill
I don't think the Stooges ever did a "titty twister." The eye-poke thing, yes. Hitting the other guy over the head with a hammer, yes. Smacking him with a board or a pipe, yes. Squeezing the nose with a pair of pliers, yes. But no titty twisters. That's just juvenile.

I agree the stooges did not titty twist. That was even too low for curly.

80 posted on 08/11/2005 6:58:34 PM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: knuthom

David openly admitted that he did this. He never learned it at home. Also testifying was another boy Dalton Bradley who rides motocross and he testified that Matt Cox gave him titty twisters all the time. SO is it always harassment or is it sometimes funny? I think it is in bad taste, have never thougth of doing or seen anyone else do it. However I hve located three teachers, 2 in District 6 and one in Eagle Point School District that have been dong it to the kids, themselves. So if it is the new "pinch on the butt" that one day was so cute and the next day was costing people millions of dollars in lawsuits, everyone should be grateful that this went public. PS Does your kid kick your neighbors kids in the balls? This kid does, and does your kid give out titty twisters? This kid does.


81 posted on 08/11/2005 7:21:50 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: NCLaw441
of course the devil is always in the details. When the Cox's went to the police they accused another boy, Jeff G of giving their son a titty twister. David's name never appeared in their record, even after David told the police that he did it, the COx family insisted that Jeff G did it. In fact they were filing a false report on a boy that they hated because he smokes dope with their daughter. It had absolutely nothing to do with David. He was just caught in the middle. What he saw was a kid that we knew, we sold him his first moto cross bike, David played ping pong with him at Youth Group and generally considered him an acquaintance that he was on a first name basis with; when the kid said "yo mama" David just saw a younger kid that was trying to in with the big guys and treated him the way they treat each other. Why the boy thought he could go to the police and tell them that an entirely different boy, Jeff G had done it, I can't imagine. But from that point on the family had to continue to claim injury or be shown as lying witnesses against this other boy, whom they have filed dozens of eventually unfounded complaints against. If you don't' understand that, I will be happy to send you the police report. The boy then lied and claimed that David was a complete stranger, and we just found the notes on the probation officers papers where Paul Cox told them that I was "stoned and always stick up for my son, they continue to threaten and harass". I haven't been stoned in 35 years and we have had zero contact with them since that incident. Have you ever read the dichotomy of the Salem Witch Trials? Have you ever seen a child lie? on a witness stand? without blinking an eye? it is a rather stunning performance.
82 posted on 08/11/2005 7:35:12 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: ApplegateRanch

No, it is not right to admit that your intentions were malicious when they were not. It is not right to bear false witness against yourself in order to avoid consequences.
If you were laughing and some food flew out of your mouth and another person called the police and said you spit in their face maliciously, would you concede to that? The accusation that David MALICIOUSLY touched that boy, is an extrememly serious charge to us, and to him. That fact has been overshadowed by the sensational "titty twisting", aspect. That is why he was so adamant, that the intention was never malicious. And he apologized to the boy at the bike track months ago.


83 posted on 08/11/2005 7:42:07 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: festus
If they arrested all of us and charged us with assault as kids who pulled three stoges moves on each other, well, we would have been an entire generation of crimminals.

LOL - You got that right ...nyuckk, nyuck, nyuck ...

84 posted on 08/11/2005 7:45:42 PM PDT by 11th_VA (http://www.worldmag.com/displayarticle.cfm?id=10481)
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To: texson66
I hate to tell you this but the Judge found him guilty because she thought she could read that David's INTENT was malicious because he told her that when the boy said "yo mama' he replied "hey Matt, and gave him the twist". The judge decided that David had taken the "yo mama" comment seriously and retaliated. David said it was closer to two black men greeting each other "Hey Nigger" and the other replies "Hey Nigger" and then the first one goes home and tell the police that someone called him a nigger. I know that touching and words and not the same, although offensive words and offensive touching are treated the same in the statute, but that is a close analogy. I think we have had ample testimony from the public that this phenomena called "titty twisting" goes on amongst friends as a sign of camaraderie. That appears to be the general understanding.
85 posted on 08/11/2005 7:50:11 PM PDT by Christine Alford (Christine Alford)
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To: Christine Alford

You have answered my post. Thanks!


86 posted on 08/11/2005 8:32:39 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: McBuff
Unlike the double-finger eye poke, which can be neutralized by the counter-move of placing the hand vertically flush with the nose and perpendicular with the face, the titty-twister has no known countermove...

That should be single hand double-finger eye poke.

As you are probably aware, the counter-counter move to the perpendicular hand defense counter-move, is of course, the two-handed single-fingered eye poke.

87 posted on 09/24/2005 7:08:07 AM PDT by Darth Republican
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
You know, JOKINGLY is usually found at the start of MOST law school questions in TORT...

That is true.

It is followed closely by "we'd been drinking when..."

Coming in third is plain, basic stupidity.

88 posted on 09/24/2005 7:12:39 AM PDT by Darth Republican
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To: Christine Alford
I was curious as to what the "intake" was going to be and how it was turned into an initial appearance in juvenile court.

I've never done much in juvenile law, but I'm amazed that it was escalated to this point..

89 posted on 09/24/2005 11:39:52 AM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Looking out my window, I see the surf is up. Hmm. Free Republic vs. Tasty Surf.. Tough decision..)
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