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Jerry Garcia's Conservative Children
The New York Sun ^ | 8/9/05 | John P. Avlon

Posted on 08/09/2005 7:01:12 PM PDT by qam1

Think back to the ringing guitars, the spinners, the patchouli oil and the haze of pot smoke hanging over an arena - the psychedelic country rock of Grateful Dead concerts seem like an unlikely cradle for today's conservative commentators.

And yet, 10 years to the day after Jerry Garcia's death on August 9, 1995, no less than three of Generation X's most high-profile young conservatives remain dedicated Deadheads: Deroy Murdock, Tucker Carlson, and Ann Coulter.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; deadheads; deroymurdock; genx; greatfuldead; hippies; takeashower; tuckercarlson
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To: wagglebee

I agree with you on Widespread, but I think Phish are tighter and musically more "out there" than the Grateful Dead. I enjoy both, having seen Phish maybe eight times and the Grateful Dead 35 or so.


151 posted on 08/10/2005 5:33:39 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

I agree that Phish is definitely talented, but I want to see where they are in ten or fifteen years. If 40 and 50 year olds are still listening, that will be the real indication of their impact.


152 posted on 08/10/2005 5:36:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Alberta's Child
I just never understood that band's appeal.

That's cause you never saw them live. There is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

153 posted on 08/10/2005 5:52:37 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: qam1

My husband and I were only in our teens when Jerry died, and got into the music in our college years. Our bedroom has a couple thousand CD cases of Dead shows (among many others). Loved Phil & Friends, and enjoyed Phish...like Gov't Mule, the Allman Brothers, et al. But nothing can top the Dead at the height of their game.

I'm solidly conservative, and husband is a right-leaning moderate. I ignore musician's political statements if they make them - many musicians in the jamband scene are liberals but generally don't make a scene about their leanings (unlike more mainstream "musicians").


154 posted on 08/10/2005 6:08:58 PM PDT by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: nopardons
By many definitions, folks born in 1965 are GenX. So, those who are 40 now were the leading edge of GenX.
155 posted on 08/10/2005 6:13:03 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Fzob

Thanks for the link, got lost in Big Railroad Blues
among others.


156 posted on 08/10/2005 6:19:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: qam1

Q. What do you get when you play a Dead Song back words ?

A. Dead Song.


157 posted on 08/10/2005 6:20:44 PM PDT by Blackirish (Go Howie GO...you angry little knucklehead.)
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To: wagglebee

Knew someone, who knew someone, but still a great memory.

RE dead collectors, did a wrought Iron balcony rail for
a collector once, lord did he have the tapes.

Nice rail I did for him, copper roses and terrepins!


158 posted on 08/10/2005 6:34:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 6ppc
That's cause you never saw them live. There is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

It's a lot like sex. You think you know what it will be like, and you kind of get an idea practicing on yourself; but when you actually get to do it with another person, it's a completely different experience.

159 posted on 08/10/2005 7:05:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Fzob; All
I found link to August 30,1981 show for download
One of the reviewers says same thing as me,"probably the best show that no one has ever heard of"...its true
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=13077
Enjoy...this is the Dead at their best...
160 posted on 08/10/2005 7:09:05 PM PDT by scott says (let the echo decide who was right or wrong)
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To: scott says

One of the best tapes I ever had (that got eaten in a tape deck!) was Brent Midland's final audition in Weir's basement.


161 posted on 08/10/2005 7:18:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
ouch! I hate that...I think I have a sbd tape called Brent rehearsals....let me look...yep 4-16-79 2 full 90 minute tapes soundboard, A quality..still on cassette....
162 posted on 08/10/2005 7:28:08 PM PDT by scott says (let the echo decide who was right or wrong)
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To: wagglebee

Dave Matthews is a complete ripoff artist. Listen to Widespread Panic for the real deal. Their Everyday CD is awesome. I think Matthews even has a CD called Everyday. As Bob Grant would say, he's a fake, phoney and a fraud!


163 posted on 08/10/2005 7:34:49 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: wagglebee

Pillory me folks. I have always been a conservative, even in chemically induced states of heightened awareness. But truthfully, I have always found the Dead to be entertaining, but way overrated musically.


164 posted on 08/10/2005 7:39:56 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: blam

Went to my first GD concert in 1970, what a great band.


165 posted on 08/10/2005 8:10:00 PM PDT by Leto
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To: Sam Cree
She doesn't look all that "young" to me and yes, I am older than she is.

The very real problem is that for the past 35+ years, people have been called "kids" or "young", who are long past being either. This, in turn, fosters immaturity and the nation and culture is thusly devalued; as are those words.

166 posted on 08/10/2005 10:25:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: x
I thought he was much older, for some reason. Thanks for the info re his age. Still and all, 36 is NOT really "young"; though I guess it does make him a Gen Xer.
167 posted on 08/10/2005 10:28:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: lugsoul
I think that someone/s have moved back, for some inexplicable reason, the start of the Gen X thing. When it began being used, the date for the start was later.

But at 43 or 44, Ann is NOT a Gen Xer; she's a BABY BOOMER.

168 posted on 08/10/2005 10:31:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: wagglebee

There's lots of us drug-using, hard drinking, womanizing godless conservatives out here and having a great time. I wouldn't have it any other way, but never call me a lefty. If you don't enjoy life to its fullest while making lots of money and good friends on the way, its simply just a waste of time.


169 posted on 08/10/2005 10:47:55 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

I got sober and quit drugs about 15 years ago, but I know what you mean.


170 posted on 08/11/2005 7:40:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I think this is connected to the Rolling Stones. I think the Stones made a huge mistake with their new song. DON'T PISS OFF THE PEOPLE WHO MADE YOU ZILLIONAIRES.


171 posted on 08/11/2005 7:41:55 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: lefty-lie-spy
There's lots of us drug-using, hard drinking, womanizing godless conservatives out here and having a great time. I wouldn't have it any other way, but never call me a lefty. If you don't enjoy life to its fullest while making lots of money and good friends on the way, its simply just a waste of time.

Worth a bump to the top!

172 posted on 08/11/2005 7:51:28 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: HitmanNY

Who's Herbie Stempel??? Wasn't he the guy who brought down the quiz shows in the 50's?? LOL!


173 posted on 08/11/2005 7:53:20 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: Hildy
Yep, Herbie Stempel is the bitter, nerdy guy who did indeed help bring down the game show industry back in the 1950s.

I have heard that if you bump into him on the streets of Brooklyn to this day, Herbie will invariably begin telling you how he was ripped off by '21,' how he knew all the answers, how he was treated unfairly, how they were bigots, etc.

I consider Carlson in the same tradition - he is a nerdy type that the producers like to make a spokesman for conservatism, as a way of making fun of conservatives.

Indeed, conventional wisdom has it that Stempel was propped up as a winner on '21' and basically made fun of, just to be the foil for the more handsome, all American, and hand-picked champion Charles Van Doren.
174 posted on 08/11/2005 8:02:12 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: wagglebee

There is little music more boring than the Dead with Garcia meandering all over the place with pointless riffs. Absolutely the worst. Dozens of bands were better even the Bay City Rollers or Loverboy.


175 posted on 08/11/2005 8:06:15 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: HitmanNY

That was well documented in the Movie QUIZ SHOW, which truly was one of the great movies of the 90's. Did you see it?


176 posted on 08/11/2005 8:12:29 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: Hildy
I think the Stones made a huge mistake with their new song. DON'T PISS OFF THE PEOPLE WHO MADE YOU ZILLIONAIRES.

I'm not so sure.

The Stones are a band with a large international following.

I think Mick just gamed it out and decided those who might be pi$$ed off by the lyrics aren't likely to put much money in the Stone's coffers anyway. Nor have they for a long time.

Mick is a sly one, who has been in the business a long time. I believe this whole hubbub was contrived to obtain free publicity for the new CD. And it has.

177 posted on 08/11/2005 8:23:05 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: Freebird Forever

Yea, you're probably right.


178 posted on 08/11/2005 8:38:36 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: Hildy
Yes, it is a very well made film, though I really didn't like the investigating lawyer with that exaggerated Boston accent. Just annoying.

Old TV and old cinema has been an interest of mine all of my life (my fave tv shows, for example, mostly come before 1975). Oddly, I am 37, so most of those shows were on tv before I was born or in my early youth!

The quiz show scandals were an interest of mine and as a teenager I even poked around the museum of broadcasting in NYC (not the museum of radio & television) for info on it. I always had special contempt for Stempel, parly because he embraced the 'victim' mentality, partly because he is such a whiner and complainer, partly because he allowed himself to be used, but mostly because he seems oblivious to the concept that his 'championship run' was engineered: he was never a legitimate winner on the show anyway, as he was fed the questions, so it's unfair for him to cry foul when it was his turn to be an illegitimate 'loser.'

It's like pro wrestling (one of my other lifelong passions): the champion is hand-picked by promoters. The championship is a prop (closer to being the lead of a popular tv show rather than being any kind of 'winner'). Stempel really believed he was a champion: he never was, he was more like an actor playing a champion. He only cried foul when he became an actor playing a loser. Silly, childish, and immature.

I always thought that the portrayal of Stempel in the movie was fairly damning and that it must have been exaggerated. I have learned since then that, if anything, that depiction is tame and bends over backwards to make him look good.

Herbie Stempel: loser for all the reasons he can't understand. :-)

PS - I don't impute any of this to Carlson, by the way, who I think is a sincere guy. But is he propped up as a silly looking conservative by CNN/MSNBC? No doubt in my mind.
179 posted on 08/11/2005 8:41:01 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY

Robert Redford did an outstanding job, and I agree with you about Rob Morrow who played Goodwin. You know he is the Goodwin of Doris Kearns-Goodwin, right?

Turturro was spot on with Stempel and thet entire cast was just fabulous. Especially good was the strainted relationship between Van Doren and his Dad. It's just a marvelous movie about how easily people become corrupted, and for different reasons.


180 posted on 08/11/2005 8:50:16 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: Hildy
Yea, you're probably right.

I once read an interview with the ex-wife of David Bowie, where she was asked about the alleged incident with David and Mick in the same bed. Her response was (as best as I recall), "those boys will do anything to get their songs heard".

And that was 30 years ago. Mick continues to play the media, and the public, like a Stradivarius.

181 posted on 08/11/2005 8:56:45 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: Hildy
It's just a marvelous movie about how easily people become corrupted, and for different reasons.

I think that nails it, and why we must all strive not so much to 'be ourselves,' as is often repeated in our popular culture, but in fact to be better than ourselves.

I didn't know that about Goodwin, wow. Thanks for the 411!

182 posted on 08/11/2005 8:58:07 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Hildy

I have never understood the appeal of the Rolling Stones. Of all the "British invasion" bands (Beatles, Who, Led Zep), the Stones are the worst, they've just managed to all stay alive.


183 posted on 08/11/2005 9:05:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Freebird Forever

IIRC there were also incidents with Bowie, Jagger AND John Lennon all in the same bed.


184 posted on 08/11/2005 9:07:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Chode
Summer Jam... Watkins Glen, July/1973

I was there, man. Didn't I see you, smokin that big spliff while the Dead played for, like, 11 hours?

Remember the dead parachutist? And they opened up a section of unfinished highway to help us all get out of there. And the mud...ugh.

185 posted on 08/11/2005 9:12:02 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: wagglebee

Well, you're in the minority. I saw them at MSG when I turned 18, which was almost 30 years ago. It was the best concert I've ever seen. So outrageous, and fun. You have to give credit to any musical group that survives so many decades.


186 posted on 08/11/2005 9:14:40 AM PDT by Hildy ("When you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done.")
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To: Hildy

I saw the Stones back in 1981 when I was 14 and thought it was a great show. Then I saw them again in 1989 (after ticket prices had gone through the roof) and thought they sucked. Possibly the best concert I ever saw was Pink Floyd back in 1987, but I had a whole bunch of chemicals in me that night!


187 posted on 08/11/2005 9:21:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: nopardons
"The very real problem is that for the past 35+ years, people have been called "kids" or "young", who are long past being either. This, in turn, fosters immaturity and the nation and culture is thusly devalued; as are those words."

I don't agree with what you say there. Also don't agree that "young" equates with (mental and spiritual) immaturity, though one would hope to acquire wisdom and perspective with age. But there is an intuitive aspect to it, and maturity often has more to do with outlook on life than age.

I will agree that as America moves ever leftwards and as the government assumes ever greater responsibility for the lives of American citizens, the citizens become less responsible and less mature as they relinquish their responsibities. Also that this has been a strong trend for 35 or so years.

188 posted on 08/11/2005 9:31:03 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: All
Anyone know who the Dead's album artist is and where I could find info on him/her/it/them?
189 posted on 08/11/2005 9:33:22 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: Ol' Sox
Image hosted by Photobucket.comyeah... i've got one of the concert posters framed on my livingroom wall.
i think it's STILL the biggest one day concert in history, and i'm prolly still not right yet even after all these years... 8^)
190 posted on 08/11/2005 9:55:48 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Bear_Slayer

Here's a couple of links.
http://members.tripod.com/~ddenham/artgallery.htm
http://www.accessplace.com/grateful.htm


191 posted on 08/11/2005 10:05:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Chode

I have a memory of a headache that makes me cringe to this very day.


192 posted on 08/11/2005 10:17:17 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Disambiguator

If a Deadhead comes to your house, where do you hide your money?

Under the soap.


193 posted on 08/14/2005 12:46:46 PM PDT by didi
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