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7,157-MILE FLIGHT
Toledo Blade ^ | August 10, 2005 | ROBIN ERB

Posted on 08/10/2005 7:06:50 AM PDT by iconoclast

Deportation tears a West Toledo family apart Toledo chef, wife to return to South Korea, leave son here.

The options were limited and the choice excruciating.

In a simple West Toledo apartment yesterday, Dae Jung sorted and stacked belongings bound for his homeland. If all goes as scheduled, the 46-year-old sushi chef and his imprisoned wife, Young, will meet tomorrow at Detroit Metropolitan-Wayne County Airport's international terminal.

With immigration officials nearby, they will say good-bye to friends, supporters, and their 15-year-old son, Andrew, a U.S. citizen.

At about 2:35 p.m., the Jungs will board Northwest Airlines Flight No. 25 for a 7,157-mile flight to Incheon, South Korea, leaving behind the city they've called home for more than two decades.

At his Secor Road apartment yesterday, Mr. Jung ran his hands through his hair. A Korean-English dictionary was on the coffee table next to snapshots of a smiling Mrs. Jung and Andrew. Dried roses and a wooden cross his wife had hung still adorned the walls.

(Excerpt) Read more at toledoblade.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: immigrantlist; ineptitude; southkorea; usimmigration; waste
This is the latest on a story I previously posted. I post this as a public service offering of raw meat for the xenophobic yahoos to have at.
1 posted on 08/10/2005 7:06:51 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
"Hey, Officer, there's a terrorist with a bomb in a backpack hiding behind that tree over there!"

"Can't you see I'm writing a parking ticket here? Stop interfering with an officer in the conduct of his duty or I'll run you in."


2 posted on 08/10/2005 7:10:51 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: iconoclast

Is that you George W?


3 posted on 08/10/2005 7:11:02 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: iconoclast
What is the full story here? Why are they being deported?
curious minds want to know.
4 posted on 08/10/2005 7:13:04 AM PDT by Cool Multiservice Soldier (Newer screen name, but same attitude, same political incorrectness since 1999.)
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To: iconoclast

Two downsides to this story, one is that these people weren't deported back in 1996 when the order was issued the second is that their son is considered an American citizen.


5 posted on 08/10/2005 7:14:29 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: sangoo
Is that you George W?

LOL! ;-)

I'm sure you don't realize how amusing your post is.

6 posted on 08/10/2005 7:15:13 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

If the parents join MS-13, then can they stay?


7 posted on 08/10/2005 7:22:53 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: iconoclast
No one questions that immigration policy can be frustrating for people wanting to immigrate to this country. I tend toward libertarian policies, but as Milton Friedman himself points out, it is impossible to have a social welfare state (which we have) and open immigration. About 80% of the world's population live with a lower standard of living than recipients of public assistance in this country. Unless we want a couple billion welfare clients we need to do something to control our borders.

The enforcement of immigration policies is admittedly perverse, penalizing those who would be productive and rewarding freeloaders.
8 posted on 08/10/2005 7:25:01 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Lonesome's First Law: Whenever anyone says it's not about the money, it's about the money.)
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To: D Rider

Not only could they stay but they'd be eligible to get a loan to buy a house as well.


9 posted on 08/10/2005 7:25:47 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: D Rider

P.S. Keep you eyes and ears open for stories about pregnant muslim women being brought into the U.S. on tourist visas (Detroit and Toledo areas specifically) to give birth to their children who are automatically made U.S. citizens even though their mothers are only here on visas.

The mothers and children then return to the middle east complete with a U.S. passport allowing the child to come back once he's been trained to be a good jihadist.

The muslims have a very long range plan with respect to the conquest of the U.S.


10 posted on 08/10/2005 7:30:42 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Cool Multiservice Soldier
What is the full story here? Why are they being deported?

Click on the "read more".

11 posted on 08/10/2005 7:36:08 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Perfect summary!


12 posted on 08/10/2005 7:37:26 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Congratulations!

You're number one! ;-)

13 posted on 08/10/2005 7:40:17 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: iconoclast

You won't hear the Left crying Racism abuot these people, because Asians tend to be overachievers.

Now, if these people were Mohammedans from Pakistan, or Chicanos from Mexico leeching off the taxpayer, they would be protesting in the streets.


14 posted on 08/10/2005 7:44:28 AM PDT by Dolphan ("Now how can a Puerto Rican lose a fly ball in the sun?' - Harry Caray)
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To: iconoclast
There are thousands of true, heart-tugging immigration stories like this every year. It's possible to feel empathy for the plight of families like this without demanding open borders, or even exceptions to policy. As far as sympathy goes, however, that falls between sh*t and syphilis in the dictionary. I should add, parenthetically, that being sent back to the ROK is not exactly like being sent to a North Korean gulag. South Korea is a modern, industrialized country with ample employment opportunities. And bear in mind that after their son reaches his maturity, he can (assuming no change to existing immigration law) bring his parents back to the States in six years, legally this time.
15 posted on 08/10/2005 7:44:56 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: iconoclast

I read the whole article, oh, condescending one; nowhere does it explain the exact nature of Mrs. Jung's arrest.

You said there is more, can you post links?


16 posted on 08/10/2005 7:49:39 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: pawdoggie
There are thousands of true, heart-tugging immigration stories like this every year.

Well, you just keep on being a supporter of this administration in particular and of a bungling bureaucracy in general. Your name is legion.

I think the point is that, while this good Christian woman was kept in prison these last many months, millions of thugs from Mexico and who knows how many terrorists poured over our borders with impunity.

17 posted on 08/10/2005 7:55:36 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: Old Professer
I read the whole article, oh, condescending one; nowhere does it explain the exact nature of Mrs. Jung's arrest.

Read it again, slowly, oh professorial one.

Here's a hint .... 1996.

18 posted on 08/10/2005 7:58:20 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: iconoclast
"The couple's woes began in 1995, when immigration officials questioned why Mr. Jung was not following through on education plans he had set out on his visa application.

The Jungs, who have been married 21 years, came to Toledo in 1984 so Mr. Jung could attend the University of Toledo, but he failed to continue the education at a Michigan language school, according to immigration officials. At a 1996 hearing, the Jungs were ordered deported."

19 posted on 08/10/2005 8:00:04 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: Cool Multiservice Soldier

Probably Illegals.....
QUESTION: If i rob a bank and get caught 2 yrs later...wouldnt it me mean sprited of officials to take the money from me and lock me up?...I mean...Geez! Hava heart!


20 posted on 08/10/2005 8:05:06 AM PDT by M-cubed ((Tinfoil has many uses!...*G*))
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To: Bikers4Bush

You have hit the proverbial nail on the head here. This has been occurring on a growing scale for more than 10 years. Check out births in northern Virginia and Maryland hospitals. They are over-running us, using our own generosity and tolerance, which they interpret as weakness. Time to change that ol' birthright citizenship decision once and for all.
Time to deny all of these people visas, for any reason. Time to send the ones who already are here home. I know there would be much moaning and allegations of hardship, but tough noogies.


21 posted on 08/10/2005 8:16:14 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: iconoclast

It says she was arrested; it doesn't specify what initially led to that arrest.

Just because you have a disdain of reactionaries is not grounds for your use of the term, xenobhopic yahoos.

Your original comments were overly provocative, IMO.


22 posted on 08/10/2005 8:20:23 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: fishtank
And your point is?

Personally, I changed majors four times.

But, I imagine you're one the many hypercritical perfect persons here.

23 posted on 08/10/2005 8:21:41 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: Old Professer

xenophobic, I replaced the wrong "b" on edit.


24 posted on 08/10/2005 8:22:05 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Old Professer
Your original comments were overly provocative, IMO.

I apologize Professor. I take a lotta gettin' use to.

I'm afraid I was born with an Irish chip on my shoulder. ;-)

25 posted on 08/10/2005 8:29:15 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: Old Professer
BTW, I see no connection between reactionaries and xenophobes.
26 posted on 08/10/2005 8:42:18 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: iconoclast

" post this as a public service offering of raw meat for the xenophobic yahoos to have at."

Don't forget your post is also for the morons who are so intellectually bankrupt they confuse opposition to ILLEGAL immigration with opposing ALL immigration.


27 posted on 08/10/2005 8:43:29 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: iconoclast

Were you here in America on a student visa?

Did you bail out of your classes so you could go work in a kebab shop?

IMO, if you are given a student visa, you are supposed to be in school. If not, see ya!!!!!!!!!


28 posted on 08/10/2005 8:54:32 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: iconoclast

ABC News 20/20

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_011114_immigration.html

Nov. 14 — When Bangladeshi student Omar flunked out of the U.S. college he was attending, his student visa became invalid. He was supposed to leave the United States and go back home, but no one forced him out, so he stayed.

"I didn't get contact from anyone, not from the school, not from the government agency, when my paper got expired," said Omar, who asked that his last name not be used.

Omar wasn't exactly on the run, nor was he doing anything to elude the government.

"I was just there with an expired paper," he said. "If someone wanted to find me, yes, it would be very easy. I was in the same place."

Omar, as far as we know, is not a terrorist. Nor are most of the half-million other foreign students in the United States. But at least two of the 19 hijackers who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks were in the United States on student visas. One of the hijackers' visas had expired, which raises questions about problems in the country's student visa program.

'A Threat to National Security'

Less than two weeks ago, a man carrying seven knives and a stun gun slipped through a checkpoint at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. He was stopped in a random search just before he boarded the plane, when authorities discovered that he, too, was in the United States on a student visa that had expired nearly two years ago.

The Immigration and Naturalization Service does not know precisely how many foreign students are in the United States with expired visas. The INS has no idea whose visas have expired or even whether students are registered at the schools that sponsored them.

"We can't manage that information," said Jackie Bednarz, an executive at the INS policy office, when she was shown a stack of entry forms and untracked people obtained by ABCNEWS' 20/20. "You just entered our paper world … That's not workable."

Bednarz added: "There is no way in this country for us to check up on every person who may overstay or violate a visa or who has come in without a visa. That's the reality."

Eyad Ismoil, the 21-year-old Jordanian who drove a truckload of explosives into the World Trade Center in 1993, had dropped out of Wichita State University in Kansas but stayed on in the United States, undetected, for three more years despite his expired student visa.

"We have known since 1993, at least 1993, that the foreign student visa program was a threat to national security," said Dan Stein, who runs the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

"We had studies, we had reports, we had intelligence agencies telling us over and over again that the foreign student visa program was a threat to national security because it was so loosely administered and nobody knew what was going on," he said.

Keeping Tabs On Foreign Students

In 1996, Congress ordered the INS to come up with a way of keeping tabs on foreign students. Several possibilities were discussed, including biometric identifiers and fingerprints being included on a high-tech visa, or identification cards that students would carry.

But the plan was never implemented.

It was opposed by the National Association for Foreign Students and Advisors, a lobbying group for American colleges and universities — for whom foreign students bring in $10 billion to $15 billion in business each year.

"What we opposed was the notion that foreign students should be singled out," said Marlene Johnson, the group's executive director. She pointed out that foreign students are a small percentage of nonimmigrant temporary visa holders, so it was not "a helpful way to focus the issue of national security."

Though she said "there's no question that we have to keep track of people who are up to bad things," Johnson and the NAFSA also opposed a fee that the students would be required to pay to finance the tracking system.

Sources told 20/20 that NAFSA's lobbying efforts effectively gutted the plan, getting rid of provisions to monitor foreign travel, financial background or course loads. Gone, too, was the ID card, which NAFSA and other lobbyists had opposed.

"Immigration service relies on identity cards in other ways," said the INS' Bednarz. "There's nothing inherently wrong with cards. We've just not made a corporate decision that there needs to be a separate student card … We believe we can achieve these goals, the mandate of collecting information in a manageable way, without using a card."

Some Students React

A sampling of foreign students had no objection to the original strong regulations, but one Pakistani student at Smith College in Massachusetts, Sharmeen Obaid, was adamant that asking foreign students to carry a card was not a good solution.

"Are you going to have tourists carry things on them?" she asked.

"I'm giving this country as much as the country's giving me," she added. "It's a two-way road. We're learning things. You're learning things from us."

A pilot tracking system is in operation at 20 different schools, but congressional investigators called it a "dumbed-down" version of the original. Anything tougher, say the lobbyists, might keep foreigners away.

"We do not want to send a message to international students or prospective students that we are no longer welcoming you to the country," said Johnson. "We don't want to do that. It is not in the best interests of the United States."

If the tougher system were in place, students like Omar — or one of the hijackers on Sept. 11 — would not be able to stay in the United States.

As soon as Omar "failed to show up for his course of study, the INS would have come and got him," said Stein. "He wouldn't have had the document. He wouldn't have been able to stay in the country. He would have been deported."


29 posted on 08/10/2005 8:56:26 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank
Were you here in America on a student visa?

Once more the only point I see is the one on your head.

No, I was not on a student visa, but I will relate a short story that may have some application here.

There was a period in my life after getting married, graduating, and trying to get established that I and my little family moved around a great deal. I came within a whisker of having to pack up and leave my family for active duty because Uncle Sam's mail missives failed to be delivered to me, and because it had not occurred to me during a particular harried time in my life to stay in touch with the Authorities and to keep my "papers" in order.

30 posted on 08/10/2005 9:06:40 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: iconoclast

" because it had not occurred to me during a particular harried time in my life to stay in touch with the Authorities and to keep my "papers" in order."

Well if you were an immigrant or visitor to this country, and your ability to legally stay in this country DEPENDED on you staying in touch with the authorities, then maybe it WOULD have occurred to you to do that.

I'm sorry, I've seen federal authorities screw up on legal immigration cases before, but the screw up in this one appears to have been done by the immigrant.


31 posted on 08/10/2005 9:23:25 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: fishtank
"We can't manage that information," said Jackie Bednarz, an executive at the INS policy office, when she was shown a stack of entry forms and untracked people obtained by ABCNEWS' 20/20. "You just entered our paper world … That's not workable."

It's time for computer use to be introduced to the government.

32 posted on 08/10/2005 9:29:50 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: flashbunny
I'm sorry, I've seen federal authorities screw up on legal immigration cases before, but the screw up in this one appears to have been done by the immigrant.

And I'm sorry to sound nasty, but I just uttered a silent prayer that you will someday get your a$$ in a serious crack with those friendly folk from your Federal Gubmint.

33 posted on 08/10/2005 9:34:04 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: All
I hate to post an article and scram, but I've got a gazzilion things to do.

But, keep those cards and letters coming (hostile or friendly), I WILL return.

34 posted on 08/10/2005 9:42:11 AM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: Cool Multiservice Soldier

Read the link

They overstayed a Visa and failed to do the education thing as they said they would on the Visa aplication.

One down a few million to go.


35 posted on 08/10/2005 9:49:33 AM PDT by grayforkbeard (If itís not controversial, how can we learn from it?)
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To: iconoclast

Boy, you are icredibly ignorant - and willfully so, it appears.


36 posted on 08/10/2005 10:30:18 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: iconoclast

---And I'm sorry to sound nasty, but I just uttered a silent prayer that you will someday get your a$$ in a serious crack with those friendly folk from your Federal Gubmint.---

And once again this shows the 'compassion' of the people who label everyone else as racist xenophobes in their efforts to win discussions.

Congratulations - you've joined the ranks of anti-gunners and anti-war nuts who act like complete hypocrits. Way to go!


37 posted on 08/10/2005 10:32:08 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: iconoclast
Well, you just keep on being a supporter of this administration in particular and of a bungling bureaucracy in general. Your name is legion. I think the point is that, while this good Christian woman was kept in prison these last many months, millions of thugs from Mexico and who knows how many terrorists poured over our borders with impunity.

First of all, I don't see how you could call me a supporter of Bush Administration immigration policies when my reply clearly indicated my opposition to illegal immigration, without exceptions. But now I see what your "agenda" is: this woman is, in your opinion, a "good Christian", therefore she merits an exception to policy in preference to the "millions" of 'evil, greasy Mexicanos". Well, I certainly believe that there are a substantial numbers of not so good guys, and possibly a few terrorists amongst the folks coming illegally across our Southern border, which is why I believe that we need strict enforcement of our immigration laws, and more attention to border control than the Bush Administration is willing to provide. But I also know that many of the Mexican/Central American illegal immigrants are devout Catholics, and therefore (by your lights) equally deserving of the "Christian Exemption" you would like to grant your Korean lady friend (or maybe in your Fundamentalist zeal you don't recognize Catholics as "real born-agin Christians"). Your emotional appeal to our "Christian Charity" and humanity is not at all dissimilar to the emotional appeals made by MALDEF, La Raza and most of the pro-illegal immigration groups. Do you think that this Korean woman deserves a break just because the immigration system worked the way it should in her case, when it has failed so miserably in so many other cases? I think not.

38 posted on 08/10/2005 11:58:56 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: iconoclast
ATTENTION: All out of work Buchanan/Tancredo devotees: The power of the government to kick illegals out of the jobs you want has succeeded in opening up a position for a sushi chef. Get your excuses ready for not applying when your parents and wives tell you about it.
39 posted on 08/10/2005 12:08:51 PM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is the only thing. Those who glorify losing are unclear on the subject of democrac)
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To: flashbunny
Boy, you are icredibly ignorant - and willfully so, it appears.

Your comment is duly and appropriately filed.

I hope it didn't hurt.

40 posted on 08/10/2005 1:34:34 PM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: pawdoggie
But I also know that many of the Mexican/Central American illegal immigrants are devout Catholics, and therefore (by your lights) equally deserving of the "Christian Exemption" you would like to grant your Korean lady friend (or maybe in your Fundamentalist zeal you don't recognize Catholics as "real born-agin Christians").

Wipe the froth off your mouth.

I'm not signin in from the back of a punkin wagon, you dolt. I'm well aware that most Mexicans are Catholic (as am I). And I am not by any means TOTALLY opposed to immigration from Mexico (but let's be real!).

This woman has TWENTY years of good citizenship and service to her church and Christian school and a son that shows every indication of being a superlative asset to our nation.

So, KMA, and stop buggin me with your irrelevant ranting.

41 posted on 08/10/2005 1:48:35 PM PDT by iconoclast (They Just Don't Get It ... by Colonel David Hunt. Get it. Read it.)
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To: iconoclast

I have to admit it, you're a real piece of work. In your first reply you imply that I'm Satan ("your name is legion"), in your most recent reply you call me a "dolt" and instruct me to "KYA", all while asking me to "wipe the froth" off my mouth. In your quest to become the FR version of Don Rickles, Andrew Dice Clay and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, however, the one thing you never bothered to do was to address the substance of my comments, to whit: if you're going to have a rational immigration policy, you can't reward law-breaking by retroactively granting immunity through "exceptions to policy", even when the individual concerned has "TWENTY years of good citizenship and service to her church and Christian school and a son..." etc., etc. By the by, I'd like for you to explain to me how someone who entered our country illegally, and by every definition known to man is not, and can not be considered a "citizen", practices "good citizenship". To those great paradoxes of life, like "gay marriage" or "conservative Communist", you have now added, "illegal alien good citizen". If we started granting exemptions to our laws for illegal aliens who are said to be "credits" to their respective communities, we might see a lower crime rate amongst illegals, but we will definitely never stem the tide of illegal immigration.


42 posted on 08/11/2005 6:41:16 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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