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Parental Rights vs. Public Schools
Fox News ^ | August 10, 2005 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 08/10/2005 8:04:45 AM PDT by vrwc0915

David Parker (search) of Lexington, Mass., is scheduled to go on trial on Sept. 21 for asking his son's public school to provide parental notification before discussing homosexuality with the 6-year old. The actual charge is criminal trespassing. But the real issue is whether parents or schools will control the teaching of values to children The conflict began on Jan. 17, when Parker's then-5-year-old son brought home a Diversity Bookbag from kindergarten. Included was Robert Skutch's "Who's In a Family?" that depicts families headed by same-sex couples. Parker had wanted to decide for himself the timing and manner in which his son was introduced to the subject of homosexuality. (The Bookbag is supposed to be a voluntary program but the Parkers knew nothing about it in advance.) Parker immediately e-mailed the Estabrook school principal, Joni Jay (search). Parker expressed his belief that gay parents did not constitute "a spiritually healthy family"; he did not wish his son to be taught that a gay family is "a morally equal alternative to other family constructs." Parker acknowledged the equal rights of gays but objected to "the 'out of the closet' and into the kindergarten classroom mentality." In essence, Parker highlighted the difference between tolerance, which acknowledges someone's right to make a choice, and acceptance, which is the personal validation of that choice. The conflict moved quickly from the Diversity Bookbag (search) to the more general issue of parental notification. The Parkers wanted to know if sexuality was scheduled to be discussed in class so they could remove their son. They also wanted their son removed from any "spontaneous conversations" about sexuality that involved an adult.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: davidparker; homosexualagenda; lexington; mcelroy; parentalrights; parker; publicschools
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The nerve parents actually think they have some say in their kids education!
1 posted on 08/10/2005 8:04:46 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: vrwc0915

Oh, hell no,----no one better discuss anything sexual with my 6 year old granddaughter without her parent's permission!!!

Talk about protesting...this grandma would love to protest something like THAT!


3 posted on 08/10/2005 8:07:59 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: vrwc0915

True...but the quality of the schools in general is so poor, they might as well seek an alternative. I admire him for taking a stand and making some attempt, however. It was much easier for me (not financially, though) to write a tuition check.


4 posted on 08/10/2005 8:12:07 AM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Txsleuth

My children will never set foot in a public schools as students.


5 posted on 08/10/2005 8:12:22 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: Txsleuth

My children will never set foot in a public schools as students.


6 posted on 08/10/2005 8:12:44 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: vrwc0915

The radical gay agenda in the schools has gotten out of control. Primarily because busy working parents either don't fully understand what's being taught or because they think they can't take on the entire school system in their town.

Tammy Bruce's book, The Death of Right and Wrong, is a good place for parents to start in understand just how dangerous this agenda is to our children. It's a book that is a must read for parents and grandparents.

Bruce' book is well researched and quotes directly from dozens of outspoken advocates of the gay agenda as well as policy setters within the Department of Education.

One such quote is from Judith Levine, author and activist, said that "sex is not harmful to children...there are ways the smallest children can partake in it."

In Vemont, a program was instituted called Outright Vermont. Schools advertise this program on bulletin boards and the program materials include direct web links to adult gay male web sites. Two years ago, NYC opened the first gay high school in the nation.

Former Gov. Gay Davis of California signed a sex education law that requires students to adopt a healthy attitude toward homosexuality. The NEA has developed programs to incorporate the gay agenda in our public schools for children of all ages.

Many programs have been in place for more than 20 years and the curricula is getting more radical each year. The NEA is trying to force state governments to require both home schoolers and private schools to teach pro gay agendas or refuse to validate their diplomas. The NEA has successfully sponsored a curriculum which requires children to partake in "Gay Day" which involves playacting.

In March 2002, Penn State University featured an advocate of pedophilia at a women's health conference, despite congressional disapproval and parental concerns.

In 1998 the American Psychological Association claimed that pedophilia often "does not cause intense harm on a pervasive basis".


7 posted on 08/10/2005 8:13:23 AM PDT by Peach
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To: vrwc0915
They also wanted their son removed from any "spontaneous conversations" about sexuality that involved an adult.

Good luck, folks. I suggest private school or homeschool.

8 posted on 08/10/2005 8:13:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: little jeremiah

ping


9 posted on 08/10/2005 8:14:28 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: vrwc0915

And the really sick thing is that Lexington Mass - of Lexington and Concord fame has a school system that doesn't bother to understand the true meaning of Liberty of the Individual versus the control of a tyrannical state.


10 posted on 08/10/2005 8:15:57 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: vrwc0915
Just goes to show you that liberals continue to be tolerant of everything except Christianity.

A couple of weeks ago, my neighbor (who is a retired school teacher) kept telling my husband and me that we shouldn't send our youngest son (entering kindergarten) to a parochial school, as we did with our other 2 kids. He said that there is just so much more to offer at public school. Yeah, right. I totally understand why so many people opt out of the public school system and either send their children to private schools or home school them. That is our only hope against the ever-increasing brainwashing going on in schools today. Molding young minds to think their agenda is correct.

Hooray for this dad for doing his job and protecting his child!

11 posted on 08/10/2005 8:16:12 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Peach

What a minute...the NEA wants to force private schools to have to teach this crapola or their diplomas would be invalid???

What about Catholic schools....and do you think they are gonna get those crazy Muslims in their madrassas to cooperate????

I have never been an "activist" in the strictest sense, but I have to say---that messing with our children in THIS way is as much "abuse" as a sexual pervert....IMHO!!


12 posted on 08/10/2005 8:17:31 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: Txsleuth

This calls for a big FReep.


13 posted on 08/10/2005 8:17:31 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Tax-chick

Many programs have been in place for more than 20 years and the curricula is getting more radical each year. The NEA is trying to force state governments to require both home schoolers and private schools to teach pro gay agendas or refuse to validate their diplomas. The NEA has successfully sponsored a curriculum which requires children to partake in "Gay Day" which involves playacting.


14 posted on 08/10/2005 8:18:15 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Txsleuth

I wrote the above as part of a letter to the editor published in our local paper about two years ago. When I researched information to write that letter, I nearly fell off the chair when I read about the NEA's attempts to force their agenda on home schoolers and private schools.

Won't fly in the south or elsewhere, but they won't stop trying and will use the courts eventually to force their way.


15 posted on 08/10/2005 8:20:03 AM PDT by Peach
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To: AZConcervative

Any suggestions when one of the kids says they want to see what public school is "like"? Only because they think public school is like what is depicted on tv (hanging out with friends in the hall) and that their friend says they get "free dessert". He also wants to see what a school "looks like" inside.


16 posted on 08/10/2005 8:20:22 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Txsleuth; Peach

"Many programs have been in place for more than 20 years and the curricula is getting more radical each year. The NEA is trying to force state governments to require both home schoolers and private schools to teach pro gay agendas or refuse to validate their diplomas. The NEA has successfully sponsored a curriculum which requires children to partake in "Gay Day" which involves playacting."

Peach: Do you have a source for this?

Txsleuth: They don't have the rocks to force this on the muslims. I must say though, it's time to draw the line!


17 posted on 08/10/2005 8:22:01 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: AliVeritas

You got that right!!!

We've been telling out children for YEARS that if anyone, family or otherwise "touches" you the wrong way...to tell mommy and daddy...

NOW, the schools are basically advocating that !!!!

My blood is boiling right now....and I hope this parent takes this all the way to the (gulp) Supreme Court.


18 posted on 08/10/2005 8:22:27 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: Peach

I've seen some reports on the NEA's proposals ... it'll never fly. But it shows what they're really about, and what the government school system is really about: total control.


19 posted on 08/10/2005 8:22:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: vrwc0915
The very purpose of the public school is the systematic destruction of the human personality in order to create a better world.

Get over it.

20 posted on 08/10/2005 8:23:29 AM PDT by headsonpikes ("The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government.")
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To: defconw; Mo1; tiredoflaundry; Fudd Fan; Bahbah

You guys have got to read this!!


21 posted on 08/10/2005 8:23:33 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: Tax-chick

It won't fly until the courts get involved. And they will. Wait for it.

The left knows they don't have public support for their agenda. So they use the courts to ram their agenda down our throats. It's worked beautifully so far. And they aren't done.


22 posted on 08/10/2005 8:23:55 AM PDT by Peach
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To: vrwc0915
Parker had wanted to decide for himself the timing and manner in which his son was introduced to the subject of homosexuality.
 
And that's why my wife and I sacrifice to send our kids to Catholic school.  Even though he's only three, I can point to a rainbow flag, ask my son what it means and he'll yell "HOOOOH-MOOOOH!!!  HOOOOH-MOOOOH!!!  HOOOOH-MOOOOH!!!"
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

23 posted on 08/10/2005 8:24:23 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: JZelle

I wrote this letter to the editor over 2 years ago and have not saved my research.

I can tell you that I spent a long time researching that letter, found valid sources and another freeper up thread has mentioned she heard about the NEA's agenda as well.

If I could find the source for you quickly, I would.


24 posted on 08/10/2005 8:25:13 AM PDT by Peach
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To: JZelle

And although I read Tammy Bruce's book a few years ago, I'll bet she has info in that book about the NEA's agenda.

Tammy Bruce would answer you and your question if you wrote to her. I think Drudge lists her on his web site.


25 posted on 08/10/2005 8:26:19 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Former Gov. Gay Davis of California signed a sex education law that requires students to adopt a healthy attitude toward homosexuality. The NEA has developed programs to incorporate the gay agenda in our public schools for children of all ages.

He has no jurisdiction to require students to "adopt" any prescribed attitude about anything. One might make the case that the state schools have the right to teach what they want (personally I disagree) but the government doesn't (yet) have the power to legislate thought.

26 posted on 08/10/2005 8:26:42 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Peach

I still don't see it's making a real (rather than symbolic) difference. If you don't have a "recognized" diploma, you can get a GED. And employers and colleges will know who's a worthwhile candidate in spite of the obfuscation.


27 posted on 08/10/2005 8:27:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: vrwc0915

I find this situation absolutely amazing. Since when can a school dictate to a parent what their child will learn? I think home schooling would be preferable, but that is obviously not an option here.


29 posted on 08/10/2005 8:28:51 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: vrwc0915
Godspeed to this parent. This parent has more gusto than I do. I just homeschool my children so the issue doesn't come up and I don't have to blow a vein over it.

For the sake of the parents who do not homeschool- I hope this case makes some new standards in the education of our children.

Yes, homosexuals have the right to have a family- but I do not need to explain it to my 7 year old. The "birds and bees" are confusing enough at that age- we don't need to throw politics into it.

Lets try teaching the kids to read,and do basic math in elementary school.

30 posted on 08/10/2005 8:30:35 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Any suggestions when one of the kids says they want to see what public school is "like"? Only because they think public school is like what is depicted on tv (hanging out with friends in the hall) and that their friend says they get "free dessert". He also wants to see what a school "looks like" inside.

Take him into the bathroom. Beat him up. Mock his hairstyle, steal his money and shove his head down the toilet. Then make him sit at a little desk for six hours doing nothing.

Tell him "that's what public school is like".

31 posted on 08/10/2005 8:30:35 AM PDT by JenB (Go and catch a falling star...)
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To: Still Thinking

I don't know about who has the "power",but I think that some are misusing their power---

I heard a few years ago, that some schools were forcing the kids to dress in Muslim dress and study the Muslim lifestyle...I read it a couple of times, but can't tell you where/when...

Anyway, what I am getting at is----I wouldn't be too quick to assume the schools can't/wouldn't do this stuff.

The NEA is a very powerful labor union...and has the money pouring into democraps pockets all the time.


32 posted on 08/10/2005 8:31:04 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: vrwc0915; Lexinom

When a 12 year old can get birth control without parental consent and 5 year olds are encouraged to touch their private parts, this sadly doesn't surprise me.


33 posted on 08/10/2005 8:33:22 AM PDT by Nevernow ("No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: vrwc0915

Lexington, Mass. is ground zero for liberty. The Founders are spinning like tops after hearing this news.


34 posted on 08/10/2005 8:33:30 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Txsleuth
that some schools were forcing the kids to dress in Muslim dress and study the Muslim lifestyle

This was in California's junior high schools, iirc, right after 9/11.

36 posted on 08/10/2005 8:34:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Peach

Peach, where is your source. If this is the case, it is very frieghtening and we must do somthing and notify our legislatures.

Regarding this whole matter, it is equally frieghtening that the schools are no longer responsible to the parent for what they teach.


37 posted on 08/10/2005 8:34:54 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Tax-chick
If you don't have a "recognized" diploma, you can get a GED.

They might not get to that, but if not it would simply be an oversight on their part. It would be pretty stupid for them to expend all this effort and leave an alternative path so open (course if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't be liberals). It wouldn't be hard for them to make completion of a gay-indoctrination "seminar" (what a yucky word, in this context) a prerequisite for taking the GED.

38 posted on 08/10/2005 8:35:57 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: BoBToMatoE

I wrote the letter two years ago, but I think that particular bit of information came out of Tammy Bruce's book.

If you wrote to her, she'd help you find the specific source. Or, contact your congressman and tell him you've heard this and are concerned and see what they say.


39 posted on 08/10/2005 8:36:11 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

I do intend to ask my congressman, and state rep about this. thanks for the heads up.


40 posted on 08/10/2005 8:37:51 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Tax-chick

Yeppers....I thought it was junior high...THANKS!!!!


41 posted on 08/10/2005 8:38:07 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: vrwc0915

I have actually had a great deal of success in dealing with these sensitive issues in our public school system. Before my son even entered his mandatory "Health" class, I spoke with the teacher, went over the curriculum, and asked to be given the dates on which certain matters-and speakers-would be presented. I was treated with respect and kept fully abreast of all activities. Though the curriculum was abstinence based, they had a guest speaker come in to speak about contraception. The teacher email me a week before, honored my request for my son to be excluded, and insured that he was excluded discreetly so as to to make his absence the center of attention. I always felt as if they really appreciated my involvement. Apparently, my experience was the exception rather than the rule.


42 posted on 08/10/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by irishlass
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To: Still Thinking
if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't be liberals

That's an important point :-). I think the GED is pretty much under the radar as far as NEA is concerned. (Egad - it actually tests knowledge and skills, even if at a basic level!)

And anyway, the average GED candidate (over 20 years old, after all) is likely to be perfectly aware of the existence of homosexuality, and be either indifferent or disgusted - at any rate, resistant to influence. It's not the same as forcing the agenda on 5-year-olds.

43 posted on 08/10/2005 8:39:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Txsleuth

You're welcome. You could probably find some of the original news articles if you searched FR hard enough. It was quite a big topic for a while.


44 posted on 08/10/2005 8:40:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Txsleuth
Anyway, what I am getting at is----I wouldn't be too quick to assume the schools can't/wouldn't do this stuff.

I'm not saying they wouldn't try to do this or that they might not already be doing so, and I certainly wouldn't put anything past Gray "Vladimir Il'ich" Davis. I'm just venting my outrage that they would be so presumptuous as to even try to adjust attitudes of their employers as the goal of legislation.

45 posted on 08/10/2005 8:42:03 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Nevernow

You forgot to mention that the school nurse can make the decisions about your daughter having an abortion without any consultation with you, the parent, whatsoever.


46 posted on 08/10/2005 8:42:54 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: vrwc0915

The nerve parents actually think they have some say in their kids education!
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As a "past" veteran parent, who was sucsessful at removing several teachers from employment because of their socialist teachings, rantings and gross incompetency, I can say to some extent, that the complacency of parents has not helped the socialist take-over of the government school system. What we see here is just another of many examples of the arrogance, the leftist attitude that, after so many years of being protected and pandered to by leftists in government and the unions, has run amuck.

Parents need to reclaim their control over the government education system OR FIGHT FOR VOUCHERS, or just refuse to pay taxes for education, which is a HUGE percentage of state-level taxation. Personally, after going through what I went through, here in the state of California, I would NEVER PUT MY CHILDREN into a socialist-run government school at any price. NEVER!



47 posted on 08/10/2005 8:43:48 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Tax-chick
And anyway, the average GED candidate (over 20 years old, after all) is likely to be perfectly aware of the existence of homosexuality, and be either indifferent or disgusted - at any rate, resistant to influence. It's not the same as forcing the agenda on 5-year-olds.

Good point, I hadn't thought it all the way through.

48 posted on 08/10/2005 8:45:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Tax-chick
I've seen some reports on the NEA's proposals ...

Got a link?

49 posted on 08/10/2005 8:48:02 AM PDT by YHAOS (Western morons are more dangerous than Islamic lunatics)
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To: B4Ranch

"You forgot to mention that the school nurse can make the decisions about your daughter having an abortion without any consultation with you, the parent, whatsoever."

The school counselor can bully your kid into it, too.

Honestly, my parents sacrificed SO much to put me and my siblings through Catholic school...and I will never be able to thank them enough. I'm only 18, but I still recognize what it took for them to send me to a school where they could keep tabs on my education.


50 posted on 08/10/2005 8:48:16 AM PDT by Nevernow ("No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong." Abraham Lincoln)
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