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Cindy Sheehan: "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."
Cindy's Usenet Posts ^ | Various | Cindy Sheehan

Posted on 08/10/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill

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  That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast:
  Love
 

  Cindy Sheehan
 

  March 15, 2005
 

  To Whom it May Concern:
 

  Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.

[SNIP]

  I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.
 

  The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?
 

  Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.
 

  It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.
 

  I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.


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To: Alouette
"Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse. It seems that so many of the $orosistias of the rats will blame the poor Joos fro anything that happens.
351 posted on 08/10/2005 3:56:18 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

nope..is isnt pronounced if pronounced properly "She-in"(that sounds Irish)

it is "Shi-hann"


352 posted on 08/10/2005 3:58:52 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

if it is O'Sheehan it might be Irish


353 posted on 08/10/2005 4:00:05 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: Republican Wildcat
So anyone that regards Sheehan's agenda as leftist is now "intellectually challenged"?

If that logically follows for you, run with it.

354 posted on 08/10/2005 4:00:12 PM PDT by iconoclast (Wastin' away again in hearts-and-minds'ville.)
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To: rdb3

Thank you.


355 posted on 08/10/2005 4:02:38 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: liberty2004
most Jews seem to suffer for cognitive dissonance and will vote for the Demos for many years to come. It is like a religion for them.

Tch, tch.

Flagrantly anti-semitic!

356 posted on 08/10/2005 4:03:16 PM PDT by iconoclast (Wastin' away again in hearts-and-minds'ville.)
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To: iconoclast

Is Sheehan's agenda leftist or not?


357 posted on 08/10/2005 4:03:22 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: mware

358 posted on 08/10/2005 4:04:03 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: JCEccles

Hmmmm.


359 posted on 08/10/2005 4:04:43 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Mike Darancette

Thanks.


360 posted on 08/10/2005 4:05:14 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Republican Wildcat

Leftist!


361 posted on 08/10/2005 4:05:23 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Sam Hill
She's gone loony no doubt. But Iraq was no threat to us. Maybe to Israel, but not the USA. It was a secular state and women had more rights than they do in any other state in the region besides Israel.

The Neocon idea of global democracy would make the region more stable. IMO, that's a pipe dream. I just don't think there's any historical precedent for Arab muslim states to adapt to Western democratic principles. Rule of law, individual rights, and secular governments.

And behind closed doors, I'd be willing to bet Bush, Rove, and the rest of the current brain trust agree. In other words, if Bush had to do it all over again, he wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

362 posted on 08/10/2005 4:11:02 PM PDT by BreauxBridge
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To: mewzilla
Some people may think that we’re fighting terrorism over there. But when is that job ever going to be complete? Terrorism is just a new “ism.” It was “communism” when I was growing up.

Sounds like she's trying to downplay the threat of terrorism and that of communism during the Cold War.

363 posted on 08/10/2005 4:11:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BibChr

More of her true agenda for all of this is really coming to light as she discusses how Bush "stole the election" in 2000, etc.


364 posted on 08/10/2005 4:12:22 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BreauxBridge
But Iraq was no threat to us.

Sponsors of international terrorism are of no concern for those who care about U.S. Security. < / sarcasm >

365 posted on 08/10/2005 4:14:11 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: iconoclast
While "neo-con" conjures up different connotations to different people And mostly offered as a lamer epithet by leftists), the generally accepted meaning is that of an American Jew who adopts a hawkish, right wing stance regarding foreign policy.
366 posted on 08/10/2005 4:14:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Gregorovych Nyet!)
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To: LibSnubber

denial's in there, too. I'm not sure stages are quite that discreet.


367 posted on 08/10/2005 4:14:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: BreauxBridge
She's gone loony no doubt. But Iraq was no threat to us. Maybe to Israel, but not the USA. It was a secular state and women had more rights than they do in any other state in the region besides Israel.

The Neocon idea of global democracy would make the region more stable. IMO, that's a pipe dream. I just don't think there's any historical precedent for Arab muslim states to adapt to Western democratic principles. Rule of law, individual rights, and secular governments.

And behind closed doors, I'd be willing to bet Bush, Rove, and the rest of the current brain trust agree. In other words, if Bush had to do it all over again, he wouldn't have invaded Iraq

Thank you Ms. Cleo and I didn't have to pay $4.95 per minute for your soothsaying.

BTW, nice try at whitewashing saddam, who was harboring terrorists, and had multitudes of prisons and torture chambers.

368 posted on 08/10/2005 4:15:41 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: BreauxBridge
I just don't think there's any historical precedent for Arab muslim states to adapt to Western democratic principles. Rule of law, individual rights, and secular governments.

The same thing was said about Japan and South Korea. There's never "historical precedent" for things when they are first done - there was none here in the U.S. before it was formed. So, that's not exactly an argument.

369 posted on 08/10/2005 4:15:49 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Sam Hill

So she is in league with the enemy. She's gone over completely to the dark side. Another anti American, Jew hating, far Left anti Semite creep.


370 posted on 08/10/2005 4:15:50 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: G32
Did someone hijack your account, or have you always been allowed on here to talk like this?

Pleased to meet you, relative newbie.

Thinkin bout movin in and takin over?

371 posted on 08/10/2005 4:15:56 PM PDT by iconoclast (Wastin' away again in hearts-and-minds'ville.)
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To: BreauxBridge
David Frum was a short-lived SPEECHWRITER. He had no input on policy whatsoever.

Bill Kristol is not a fan of President Bush, and was not offered a job in the administration. He is not trusted by President Bush nor his father. I can document this with references in the attitude towards Kristol discussed in both Dan Quayle's book Standing Firm and in another book about the Bush 41 Administration.

IN addition, Vice President Cheney and Condi Rice and Donald Rumsfeld supported this war. Are you under the impression that they are Jewish, or have you just rounded up any Republican Jew you can think of and decided to accuse them of "pushing" for the Iraq war?

Do you think Rumsfeld was manipulated by Wolfowitz? What evil do you think he will be up to now that he heads the World Bank?

The use of neo-con is obviously a code word for Jews, and you have revealed yourself as being one of those types who likes to blame Jews for everything.

I will pay no further attention to you.

I also note that you have only been here since May.

372 posted on 08/10/2005 4:16:04 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: All
On 4/30/05 10:35 AM, "SCINDY...@aol.com" <SCINDY...@aol.com> wrote:
 
> Yes Terry,
> I would like to hear your response.
> Multitudes of WMD experts have said that Saddam had no WMD'S and
> wouldn't/couldn't have them for at least a decade.
 

> So why was it so urgent that we invade Iraq in March 2003?
> Why are 1579 brave young Americans dead? Why is my son dead? Why are tens of
> thousands of Iraqis dead? (50 more today in 17 coordinated car bombings).
 

> Could my son be dead because of an evil-neo con Pax Americana agenda?
> Wake up dude. This government has always been in the business of killing
> people. What is even better is if we kill people who are a different color or
> not Christian.
 

> We began the killing as soon as we stepped foot on these shores and the
> killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years.

 

> There has always been excuses for wars, but NONE of them have been good or
> valid.

 

> I hope you feel safer or better because of all the needless killings in Iraq,
> because I sure as heck don't.
 

> Peace in our time,
> Cindy Sheehan

http://tinyurl.com/7rzr3

So no war has ever been justified, Cindy?

No wonder she signs off with "peace in our time" ala Neville Chamberlain.

373 posted on 08/10/2005 4:17:48 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: jdm

"Neocon" is a code word for "#!(#!& Jew" - the moment one of the moonbats utters it, I have seen through their thin veneer. If we are serious about "never again" then we need to go after these creeps.


374 posted on 08/10/2005 4:17:56 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Japan and South Korea weren't muslim. Huge difference.


375 posted on 08/10/2005 4:18:03 PM PDT by BreauxBridge
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To: BreauxBridge
Here is something else for you to consider
376 posted on 08/10/2005 4:19:18 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Apparently Ms. Sheehan has never heard of Salman Pak.

On one of those links I posted, Ms. Sheehan also states that she was supposed to have appeared on the Today show but that the show's crew never showed. Anyone know if Sheehan's ever appeared, or did Today decide to cancel Sheehan's appearance? The again, there's no guarantee that Sheehan's telling the truth about the show, so who knows?

377 posted on 08/10/2005 4:20:09 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: jdm

"What the hell is a 'neo-con' anyway?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_(United_States)


378 posted on 08/10/2005 4:20:15 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: BipolarBob

According to what the UK seem to be putting into policy, she would be subject to treason prosecution. We need to seriously observe what happens in the UK - there is much to learn from their little experiment.


379 posted on 08/10/2005 4:20:29 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: BreauxBridge
Spoken like a true LF'er.


380 posted on 08/10/2005 4:20:40 PM PDT by rdb3 (With my own Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix never sounded so good...)
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To: GOP_1900AD

"So she is in league with the enemy. She's gone over completely to the dark side. Another anti American, Jew hating, far Left anti Semite creep."

All that...and she gets her propaganda (they call it "news")from the liberal media....so her brain has gone to mush.


381 posted on 08/10/2005 4:21:03 PM PDT by A virtuous woman (I am a friend of Israel!)
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To: BreauxBridge
Japan and South Korea weren't muslim. Huge difference.

The Japanese fascists were brutal. Just ask the residents of Nanking and China in the 30's.

382 posted on 08/10/2005 4:22:20 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Cautor; Mike Darancette
Mike Darancette said "no connection" but provided no details.

I'm not suggesting that Shaheen's Jawad was once Iraq's Oil Minister. But I wouldn't be surprised to discover that he was once on Saddam's payroll. Jawad doesn't come across as your ordinary everyday moonbat peacenik. He seems to have a much narrower focus and a more exact Saddam-sympathetic agenda. It appears clear to me that he uses ordinary everyday moonbat peaceniks like Shaheen as his foot soldiers.

383 posted on 08/10/2005 4:23:04 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: samantha

"He would not want to see his Mom in this sorry state. God bless you Casey and I hope your Family is blessed also, you mom really needs prayer now."

It doesn't sound like he wanted to see his mom at all. If I feel sorry for anyone it's her kids.


384 posted on 08/10/2005 4:23:18 PM PDT by whershey
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To: mewzilla
Click here for today's drivel from Ms. Sheehan.
385 posted on 08/10/2005 4:23:59 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I just read her notes about today. Theres a spot to leave a comment. Be nice.


386 posted on 08/10/2005 4:30:07 PM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Heheh. Well, that's fair, I suppose. But that means you'll never have access to our super secret media/banking/stock market/medicine conspiracy. We control everything. Like that time when I was like "Hey Chris Matthews! Dance for me, b!tch."

G-d bless Free Republic. Where whether Christian, Jew, Buddhist and Hindu, paleocon, neocon, classical liberal or libertarian, we're always right.


387 posted on 08/10/2005 4:30:15 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: mewzilla; All
Here's a link to a sound file of an interview with Cindy Sheehan on July 2, 2005. Scroll down the page to find the link. I don't have time to listen right now, but if anyone does and hears anything interesting, please ping me.
388 posted on 08/10/2005 4:30:18 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Miss Marple
Frum coined the phrase, axis of evil. He wrote that book along with Richard Perle "An End to Evil" in which they more or less call for bombing everyone in the middle east. He also used his position at the American Enterprise Institute to lobby for the war.

Bill Kristol was very plugged in to the White House and used his magazine to lobby for the war.

Robert Novak has said on more that one occasion that Rumsfeld wasn't gung ho on the war. But being a team player, he followed orders. I'm not sure, but I think it was Novak who wrote that Karl Rove walked into a meeting at the AEI in the spring of 2004 and said there wouldn't be anymore wars this year or next and ended up being blasted by the neocon elite.

What I'm saying is, we weren't greeted as liberators as the neocons predicted except for in the Kurdish areas.

389 posted on 08/10/2005 4:30:55 PM PDT by BreauxBridge
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To: GOP_1900AD

Heh, I'll settle for a just meritocratic republic with strong conceptions of liberty and the rights of citizens as outlined in the constitution. Ever notice how people who dislike other 'races' and see Jooooooowish bogeyman everywhere tend to do poorly in any system that relies on ability and not the colour of your skin?


390 posted on 08/10/2005 4:33:32 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: the invisib1e hand

"denial's in there, too. I'm not sure stages are quite that discreet."

Of course not. I was just generalizing. There's certainly a load of denial going on too, but at this point in time it seems that crazy lady is more angry than in denial.

And that's what really confuses me. How some of the most angry people out there are the ones who scream about the fact there's not enough peace in the world. I don't get it. Such idealism should begin with them - not be meant for everyone else except them. But, in my book, you really can't rationalize the left. Like crazy Cindy, does she really believe that if we left Iraq and Jews left Palestine - then that would be the end of terrorism??? Nobody can be that stupid... or can they?


391 posted on 08/10/2005 4:34:50 PM PDT by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: BreauxBridge
Coining the phrase "Axis of Evil" was nothing more than good writing. I repeat, Frum had NOTHING to do with policy. His support of the war at the AEI was also nothing more than a lot of non-Jewish people were also saying.

I would be careful about using Novak as a source. He spouts the same anti-Israel stuff from time to time.

Kristol has NO influence in the administration. Now Fred Barnes might, because he isn't mistrusted by the Bush people, but I can guarantee you that Kristol is NOT in the loop on anything.

Now, please stop sticking up for Cindy Sheehan's anti-semitic opinions.

392 posted on 08/10/2005 4:37:01 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
you'll never have access to our super secret media/banking/stock market/medicine conspiracy.

I can live with that, but I need to know the answer to one question.

Madonna, you didn't really let her in, did you?

393 posted on 08/10/2005 4:37:29 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Proudly neocon since 1982!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

JPFO's been asking the same question for some time now.


394 posted on 08/10/2005 4:37:40 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Alexander Rubin

Yep. The rabble are prime material for recruitment to very, very nasty movements. In truth, though, we probably will not see a repeat of what happened in Europe in the 1930s here in the US. My fear is that we will see a repeat of what happened *here* in the US during that same time - Fr. Coughlin, Henry Ford, Brown Shirts, etc. Right as things continue to heat up geopolitically, the existence of a large faction of appeasers and fellow travellers of procrustean monsters may hamstring us and stall our action. I would really be worried if an "anti war" candidate were to gain the presidency.


395 posted on 08/10/2005 4:39:47 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Sam Hill

Scratch a leftie, find an antisemite.


396 posted on 08/10/2005 4:40:00 PM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: Miss Marple

Bravo, Miss Marple!


397 posted on 08/10/2005 4:42:20 PM PDT by asp1
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To: Borges; jdm
To the best of my knowledge it's a foriegn policy distinction. 'Neocons' believe in taking an active role in the world affairs as opposed to isolationaist 'Paleocons' like Pat Buchanan who are closer to the 1930s style anti-Semitic Republicans who were opposed to entering WW2 (a decision which Pat has also questioned).

Playing the race card, are we?

398 posted on 08/10/2005 4:43:02 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Miss Marple; BreauxBridge
Turning this into a racial argument tells me someone hit a sensitive nerve.
399 posted on 08/10/2005 4:44:35 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: BreauxBridge

No one needed to "sell" the president no the war.

Are you unaware that former President Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act in 1998 which called for regime change?

Are you unaware the John Kerry in 1998 gave an interview with Cokie Roberts on ABC calling for American boots on the ground to force regime change?

This country has been headed toward war with Iraq since 1992 when Iraq repeatedly violated UN resolutions and shot at our planes.

Bob Woodward's first book after 9/11, Bush At War, documents that Iraq was discussed at that time but it was decided that a) Afghanistan should be dealt with first and b) we needed to build up our troop strength before tackling Iraq.

You honestly think reporters at The Weekly Standard, those "neocons" as you so quaintly call them, talked the president into war? I have to question your judgement and your age.


400 posted on 08/10/2005 4:45:08 PM PDT by Peach
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