Posted on 08/10/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill
That was more or less my understanding of the term and proud to be one. :o) Thanks for clarifying it a little more.
Thanks Phantom. I honestly didn't really know.
"Her husband has aleady left her over this, I think she has let the grief drive her completely mad."
I've never found anything that supports that statement. Only things I've found are that he supports her.
What in the world are you talking about?
You are attempting to interpret facts in such a way that they fit into your preconceived opinion. Saddam Hussein (as other BAATH leaders) WAS a secularist and Westernizer. Just learn a little more modern history of the Middle East.
Iraq was a regime which had socialist sympathies and which tended to be pro-Soviet. It had stronger hold on power as it mobilised more support among lower poorer classes. The countries who mentioned: "Turkey, Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia" are the key pro-US countries - whenever they had problems with Islamists it was reported widely in US press.
When Assad or Saddam Huddein had problem at most it was buried in small print. Even when Algerian secularists who a pro-French and have huge problem with Islamic insurgents you hear very little about.
He was an admirer of Stalin and Hitler. Are you really suggesting he had Iraq on an enlightened path to liberty and peace?
But if you need job in order to survive and job is in the city you are "forced", aren you? I guess you can say that you are free not to move and to starve.
How in Sam Hill did you find all this stuff :-)
Have you seen it? I did see the life in preindustrial village in Poland when I was a child.
No electricity, no shoes (shoes were used only for the church - you put them on after long walk just before entering so they last long).
They ate from one bowl (the gave me separate plate because I was a guest from the city). All family slept in one room sharing two beds. They gave me one special for the guest in second room - I felt like a prince :)
There lives WERE NOT "lonely, hard, harsh, and uncomfortable". I would last there for much longer than "a week" even if they did not give me separate plate or bed.
Also Polish villages were poorer that the American ones even in preindustrial time because American settlers had better agricultural traditions (from Western Europe) and much more land.
DS: Have you lost any friends or family over this? OR, how do your husband and neighbors feel about your sudden rise to prominence in the media and the role you've accepted in those venues?
CS: I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie.
Whether we was or not it does not change the facts that he was a secularist and Westernizer. And he was not alone among our "friends" in Middle East to have unhealthy sympaties.
Are you really suggesting he had Iraq on an enlightened path to liberty and peace?
Baath policy of secularism, emancipation of women, universal education focused on science, sooner or later would produce modern society with expanded freedoms.
Tell me how the present reforms in Iraq will do this job better?
I'm all Cindy'd out. :)
If you are so "intellectual", why do you depend on lying, saying stupid things, and allying with socialists?
Just a question: has this lady actually spewed outright anti-semetism? Or does her opposition to, say, our support for Israel's foreign policy automatically qualify her as a Jew-hater?
Bookmarked.
Counterpunch.org material is not wanted on FR. Thanks.
She's probably getting paid.
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