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Cindy Sheehan: "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."
Cindy's Usenet Posts ^ | Various | Cindy Sheehan

Posted on 08/10/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill

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To: Howlin
Goff is just another attention whore. He likes to play "radical."

His self-scrawled bio:

Stan Goff is the author of "Hideous Dream: A Soldier's Memoir of the US Invasion of Haiti" (Soft Skull Press, 2000) and "Full Spectrum Disorder" (Soft Skull Press, 2003). He is a member of the BRING THEM HOME NOW! coordinating committee. His periodic essays on the military can be found at http://www.freedomroad.org/home.html. Email for BRING THEM HOME NOW! is bthn@mfso.org.

Goff can be reached at: sherrynstan@igc.org

His crackpot website:

Stan Goff
http://tinyurl.com/73raj

His wordy "mission":

I continue to think we serve a very important role in the anti-war movement, and that we can in some instances serve in a particularly powerful role in strengthening the anti-imperial pole of that movement. I will come back to exactly how we can start that process in the near term further down.

But as a leftist, and not merely an anti-war veteran, and as one who decries the political stasis of Democrat-dependency, I am also interested in how to break out of policy-focus inertia and get back to the struggle, first, for the hegemony of socialist (yes, that's the word I used) ideas, and then the direct struggle for political power, beginning with a campaign to bring down the Democratic Party from the left.

The de-legitimation of this administration, while absolutely essential, can not become an end in itself. We have to be prepared to take advantage of that sense of dislocation to foreground new connections, new ways of understanding the world. These connections must aim to create a higher level of understanding of capitalism as a system that breeds war, and they must do so in ways that are intellectually and emotionally compelling to people.

Subjects that are mostly anathema for the Democratic Party [LOL! What a joke!], and that can connect us to new masses of people in a concerted radical public education effort might be (in alphabetical order):

* Anti-racism
* Anti-sexism.
* Domestic violence.
* Environment and energy crisis.
* Gay marriage.
* Guns.
* Immigrant protection.
* Labor--all labor.
* National self-determination.
* Palestinian self-determination.
* Prison.
* Reproductive rights.

This year, we want a LOT more. Because nothing serves to delegitimate the administration more than resistance from the very people and their families who are being tasked to do the wet work for this criminal adventure. And putting the spotlight on the war at the nation's largest military installation, the home of the 82nd Airborne Division and the US Special Forces Command, is a media magnet nonpareil. This year there will be participation from across the country by members of Military Families Speak Out, Veterans for Peace, and Iraq Veterans Against the War. Faith communities are already getting on board, as are peace-and-justice groups from around the country.

This is not just an event for "leftists." The litmus test for showing up is opposition to the war in Iraq, and no one there cares if that is a political conviction, a religious conviction, or a personal conviction.

It is before and after such an event that we have to use our growing networks to do the kind of communiveristy education I spoke about above. Fayetteville is a kick-start for the anti-war, anti-empire movement in the wake of the election stand-down, and I emphasize the word--start! Cheney's boys are already talking about the Iraq War going on for decades, plural. If they are prepared for that long a haul, we had damn sure better be, too.

http://tinyurl.com/dnbgj

 

861 posted on 08/11/2005 9:28:24 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: iconoclast

Good point. I have not seen a ME Muslim issue a fatwa or anything else against OBL. They do love OBL in the Arab/ Muslim world.


862 posted on 08/11/2005 9:30:37 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: nopardons

Thank you. I was guided here from Free Dominion. ;)


863 posted on 08/11/2005 9:34:14 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: iconoclast
To think for a moment that when push comes to shove the ME Muslims of any stripe are going to side with us is delusional.

You are delusional.

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864 posted on 08/11/2005 9:34:46 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Are those web sites just personal homages to themselves, or do people actually donate to them.

As an aside and O/T: I was thrilled to see that Alan Colmes took the bait and quoted this guy regarding Roberts' nomination:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1460592/posts

It seems there are a lot of glory hounds out there......I cannot believe I have missed this.


865 posted on 08/11/2005 9:36:31 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Age of Reason

Monty Python rocks. Life of Brian is also very good (parodies the life of Jesus). But I think Quest for the Holy Grail is still the best.


866 posted on 08/11/2005 9:36:57 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Howlin
I wish that they were just a bunch of harmless cranks, but they are not. Goff, for instance, is taxpayer supported:

Send checks or money orders to:
Bring Them Home Now!
c/o Veterans for Peace
216 South Meramec Ave.
St Louis, MO 63105

Make checks payable to:
VFP/BTHN
All donations are tax-deductible

BringThemHomeNow.org
http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/

867 posted on 08/11/2005 9:39:58 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
You believe that Saddam would have brought about the same reforms (only better) than an elected government should?

"would have brought"? He or rather BAATH regime (which was larger thing than personal rule of a dictator) DID BRING such reforms. That is why Iraqi population is one of the best educated in the region and that is why women were free to pursue professional careeers etc ...

The new government at best will preserve some of the westernizing reforms and very likely will make the Islamic law the supreme standard.

"the fate of every other secular leaders in the area, like the Shah of Iran, Sadat in Egypt, the King of Jordan, Kaddaffi, the head of Syria, the government of Turkey?"

Secular governments of Turkey, Libya and Syria are still in power.

Iran is a more complicated case. The whole mess started in 1953 when Mossadeq - the pro-American, secular leader of Iran with popular democratic support in his country tried to channel part of the oil profits to benefit his nation.

It was not liked in UK and US and shah was forcefuly imposed. Only then Iranians started gradual process of islamisation seeing in the mosque the way to secure the national independence. My prediction is that Shia Iran left to its own devices, (even with the nuclear power) will evolve to pro-Western position and will return to the natural equilibrium resembling Mossadeq aspirations.

868 posted on 08/11/2005 9:40:57 AM PDT by A. Pole (Isaac Newton: "Plato is a friend, Aristotle is a friend, but truth is the greatest friend")
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To: iconoclast

So, you think Skerry should have won?


869 posted on 08/11/2005 9:41:13 AM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: Cautor

My bad.
Correction noted.


870 posted on 08/11/2005 9:42:39 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Sam Hill

General comment. My desire is to keep the facts straight and to understand what is going on.


871 posted on 08/11/2005 9:43:06 AM PDT by A. Pole (Isaac Newton: "Plato is a friend, Aristotle is a friend, but truth is the greatest friend")
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To: MamaB

"So, you think Skerry should have won?"

A horrifying thought.


872 posted on 08/11/2005 9:45:48 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: samantha

Oh, yeah, many Jews think that the Christians just want to convert them. They don't think we really identify with them these days. We do. I loved a Jewish girl a few years ago. Love of my life. There's been nobody since - not that I haven't dated or had girlfriends, but I haven't been in love. Seven years now. Still makes me sad.


873 posted on 08/11/2005 9:46:47 AM PDT by johnb838 (In peace sons bury their fathers. In time of war, fathers bury their sons.)
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To: Dave Olson
When Assad or Saddam Huddein had problem at most it was buried in small print.

Tell us about a major attack that the Islamists carried out against Hussein that was then buried in small print.

Hussein did not allow Islamists to organize on a large scale. He was keeping them under his thumb. But Assad razed down the whole pro-Islamists city once.

874 posted on 08/11/2005 9:47:33 AM PDT by A. Pole (Isaac Newton: "Plato is a friend, Aristotle is a friend, but truth is the greatest friend")
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To: Frank_Discussion; iconoclast

Its proper when discussing someone to give them a heads up so that, if they want to respond, they may.

You should wait to hear from a Jewish person who feels hated by iconoclast for their religion before you label him an Anti-Semite.

And, any thoughts on how someone who would qualify as having an America-First philosophy could express themselves w/o running into knee-jerk accusations from defenders of the status-quo?


875 posted on 08/11/2005 9:47:34 AM PDT by notigar
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To: A. Pole

You are a joke. You are spouting the same line we heard about Afghanistan--under the Russians. How wonderful everyone had it. All the rights they enjoyed.

You're not fooling anybody. Saddam EMBRACED Islam. He DID AWAY with all of the "on paper" rights that the women and others in Iraq had (never in fact) enjoyed.

Women could vote? Run for office? LOL. You really believe that actually happened in any meaningful fashion?

What any of this has to do with the subject of this thread is beyond me. But apparently the word went out, and the idea is to talk about anything besides Cindy Sheehan's outrageous remarks.


876 posted on 08/11/2005 9:48:23 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: johnb838

Actually, that's my position. When the Messiah comes, and if it's Jesus, I will apologize to the Christians, say "My bad, I should have been more trusting", and proclaim him to be my Lord and Saviour. Until then, I will just uphold him as an example of a wise, faithful and G-dly man.


877 posted on 08/11/2005 9:48:48 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: A. Pole

"General comment. My desire is to keep the facts straight and to understand what is going on."

LOL


878 posted on 08/11/2005 9:50:12 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

And who exactly makes sure they spend the money the way they're suppose to? Can't they literally live off that money?


879 posted on 08/11/2005 9:52:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sam Hill
You're not fooling anybody. Saddam EMBRACED Islam.

Yeah, sure he did. Like Stalin embraced the Church and Russian patriotism after his buddy Adolf threatened his regime.

Saddam Hussein tried to survive, that is all. If you believe in his religious commitment you are very easily fooled.

880 posted on 08/11/2005 9:52:57 AM PDT by A. Pole (Isaac Newton: "Plato is a friend, Aristotle is a friend, but truth is the greatest friend")
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