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1 posted on 08/10/2005 6:32:55 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Pat is overlooking the toll that refusal to surrender would have produced for the Japanese population itself...by all accounts, each and every Japanese citizen, man, woman, or child, was expected by their military leaders to fight to the death. The death toll may have been half a million to the US, but it would have been far more vast for the Japanese themselves, and far greater than the numbers killed by the bombs. To defeat the monumentally brutal Japanese military machine completely was absolutely crucial, or it could arise again in time and endanger the entire region as it had in the past.


2 posted on 08/10/2005 6:42:16 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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A little disappointed in this article by Pat. Had we invaded Japan we would killed more civilians than ever died by the A-bombs.

Even after the A-bombs and Russia's entry into the war, the military in Japan still wanted to fight. Its only because of the unheard of intervention of Hirohito that Japan surrendered.

BTW, If we could dropped a couple A-bombs on Nazi Germany in September 1944, it was ended the war and saved hundreds of thousands of Allied, Russian, and German lives.
3 posted on 08/10/2005 6:44:45 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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Pat is getting close to finally becoming so far right, he has reached the left.


4 posted on 08/10/2005 6:44:52 PM PDT by sharkhawk
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A little disappointed in this article by Pat. Had we invaded Japan we would killed more civilians than ever died by the A-bombs.

Even after the A-bombs and Russia's entry into the war, the military in Japan still wanted to fight. Its only because of the unheard of intervention of Hirohito that Japan surrendered.

BTW, If we could dropped a couple A-bombs on Nazi Germany in September 1944, it was ended the war and saved hundreds of thousands of Allied, Russian, and German lives.
5 posted on 08/10/2005 6:45:19 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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But with Japan naked to our B-29s, her surface navy at the bottom of the Pacific, the home islands blockaded, what was the need to invade at all? On his island-hopping campaign back to the Philippines, MacArthur routinely bypassed Japanese strongholds like Rabaul, cut them off and left them to "rot on the vine."

So, what is Pat suggesting? That we should have let the citizens of Japan "rot on the vine"? Would a slow death been nicer than the quick they got?????

8 posted on 08/10/2005 6:50:50 PM PDT by LRS
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Pat's gone.


10 posted on 08/10/2005 6:51:13 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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But if terrorism is the massacre of innocents to break the will of rulers, were not Hiroshima and Nagasaki terrorism on a colossal scale?

Someone blowing up your house is terrorism. Blowing up someone who wants to blow up your house isn't. His hiding behind his wife and kids does not change anything. If I sound hard hearted, so be it, but I choose us over them every time, today as well as 60 years ago.

And I won't even get into his casualty estimates being off by a couple of orders of magnitude.

11 posted on 08/10/2005 6:51:45 PM PDT by magslinger (Gun control laws are like OSHA for criminals-Thomas Sowell)
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Morality depends on what you do to people, not the weapons you use. There is nothing mystical about nukes, they are just one more weapon. Firebombing killed more people in Tokyo and in several German cities than the A-Bombs. For that matter, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia battered or stabbed more people to death with sticks and bayonets.


15 posted on 08/10/2005 7:05:14 PM PDT by T'wit (Twit's Law #41: If justice were for sale, you could finally get some.)
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Go Pat, Go Straight to Hell!
16 posted on 08/10/2005 7:06:31 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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I'm alive because my dad is alive


18 posted on 08/10/2005 7:14:50 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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If we had waited, the Russians would have taken even more of Japan just like we let em take too much of Germany.

We did Japan a backhanded favor. The Ruskies would have never give Japan the land back. IMO


19 posted on 08/10/2005 7:42:28 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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As we are seeing now, Christianity and war don't mix.


20 posted on 08/10/2005 7:44:00 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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Don't even need to read this, Pat is a Nazi and the soviet union won the war against tojo and hitler. He just can't accept reality being a nazi and all.


23 posted on 08/10/2005 7:55:05 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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I wonder if the japanese were worried about the 80+ soviet divisions knocking at their door.


24 posted on 08/10/2005 8:06:44 PM PDT by jbstrick (insert clever tagline here)
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Happy Late Nagasaki Day to All!


25 posted on 08/10/2005 8:14:45 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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Buchanan really is nuts..


26 posted on 08/10/2005 9:32:14 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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One of the dumbest PJB articles ever.

I especially dislike the way he closed with the little potshot by quoting the admiral who was Truman's aid. Are we supposed to think that the opinion of this unelected man, certainly not one of our fighting admirals like Halsey, should then override everything Truman did?

PJB is muddled here. I don't understand why anyone would print this dreck.
27 posted on 08/11/2005 5:33:09 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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Did anyone else see the History Channel Special last night on the documented WWII Japanese Nuclear Bomb Programs and the fact that they exploded a test atomic weapon off the shore of North Korea days before we beat them to the punch at Hiroshima? Does anyone seriously doubt that had they developed the a-bomb before we did, those b@st@rds would not have used it on us? (Most probably on the west coast.)


32 posted on 08/18/2005 6:13:37 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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In a memo to his air chiefs, Churchill revealed what Dresden had been about, "It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed."

Hmmm, Pat leaves out, as do others, that the Germans began the policy of bombing cities for the same effects. No one mentions the incendiary bombs dropped by the Germans on the city of Coventry, England, to light this city on fire on the 25th. of August, 1940. No one ever does.

Pat Buchanan is playing bomb thrower, again.

34 posted on 08/18/2005 6:35:50 AM PDT by elbucko
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Repeat - Been There Done That
36 posted on 08/18/2005 6:49:53 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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