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U.S. knew of al Qaeda cell before 9/11
Government Security News ^ | August 9, 2005 | David Morgan

Posted on 08/10/2005 10:49:47 PM PDT by TBP

In September 2000, one year before the Al Qaeda attacks of 9/11, a U.S. Army military intelligence program, known as “Able Danger,” identified a terrorist cell based in Brooklyn, NY, one of whose members was 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta, and recommended to their military superiors that the FBI be called in to “take out that cell,” according to Rep. Curt Weldon, a longtime Republican congressman from Pennsylvania who is currently vice chairman of both the House Homeland Security and House Armed Services Committees.

The recommendation to bring down that New York City cell -- in which two other Al Qaeda terrorists were also active -- was not pursued during the weeks leading up to the 2000 presidential election, said Weldon. That’s because Mohammed Atta possessed a “green card” at the time and Defense Department lawyers did not want to recommend that the FBI go after someone holding a green card, Weldon told his House colleagues last June 27 during a little-noticed speech, known as a “special order,” which he delivered on the House floor.

Details of the origins and efforts of Able Danger were corroborated in a telephone interview by GSN with a former defense intelligence officer who said he worked closely with that program. That intelligence officer, who spoke to GSN while sitting in Rep. Weldon’s Capitol Hill office, requested anonymity for fear that his current efforts to help re-start a similar intelligence-gathering operation might be hampered if his identity becomes known.

The intelligence officer recalled carrying documents to the offices of Able Danger, which was being run by the Special Operations Command, headquartered in Tampa, FL. The documents included a photo of Mohammed Atta supplied by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service and described Atta’s relationship with Osama bin Laden. The officer was very disappointed when lawyers working for Special Ops decided that anyone holding a green card had to be granted essentially the same legal protections as any U.S. citizen. Thus, the information Able Danger had amassed about the only terrorist cell they had located inside the United States could not be shared with the FBI, the lawyers concluded.

“We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn’t exist,” the intelligence officer told GSN.

DoD lawyers may also have been reluctant to suggest a bold action by FBI agents after the bureau’s disastrous 1993 strike against the Branch Davidian religious cult in Waco, TX, said Weldon and the intelligence officer.

“So now, Mr. Speaker,” Weldon said on the House floor last June, “for the first time I can tell our colleagues that one of our agencies not only identified the New York cell of Mohammed Atta and two of the terrorists, but actually made a recommendation to bring the FBI in to take out that cell.”

Weldon has developed a reputation for making bold pronouncements and, occasionally, ruffling the feathers of some of his colleagues. His recent non-fiction book, “Countdown to Terror,” which draws on information from an Iranian expatriate source Weldon has dubbed “Ali,” has drawn criticism from the CIA, others in the intelligence community and some congressional colleagues.

A longtime champion of firefighters and first responders, Weldon has a particular interest in this subject because he has been openly and actively pushing since 1999 for the establishment of an integrated government-wide center that could consolidate, analyze and act upon intelligence gathered by dozens of U.S. agencies, armed services and departments.

Weldon’s proposal was based on the innovative intelligence gathering capabilities he had witnessed at the U.S. Army’s Information Dominance Center, based at Fort Belvoir, VA, (which was formerly known as the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center.) This Army center had employed data mining, profiling and data collaboration techniques before several other intelligence agencies, and was using such cutting edge software tools as Starlight (developed by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory) and Spires.

For years, the CIA resisted the congressman’s recommendation, Weldon told GSN in a telephone interview on August 1, claiming that his plan to integrate dozens of discrete and classified intelligence streams was both unworkable and unnecessary. Weldon had dubbed his proposed organization the National Operations and Analysis Hub, nicknamed NOAH, because the center was intended “to protect our nation from the flood of threats,” he explained.

Sixteen months after 9/11, such a “data fusion center,” named the Terrorism Threat Integration Center (TTIC) was indeed established by the Bush Administration.

At the urging of the 9/11 Commission, the TTIC has since been restructured and renamed the National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC).

Weldon is pleased that steps have been taken to unify the nation’s intelligence gathering and analysis capabilities, now headed by a newly established Director of National Intelligence, Joseph Negroponte, but Weldon remains concerned that the “stovepipe” mentalities that plagued the intelligence community in the past continue to inhibit true information sharing between intelligence agencies.

He is also extremely frustrated by the fact that so little official attention seems to have been paid to the intelligence failure related to the Mohammed Atta cell in Brooklyn. Weldon contends that few in the Bush Administration seem interested in investigating that missed opportunity.

“If we had had that [military intelligence] system in 1999 and 2000, which the military had already developed as a prototype, and if we had followed the lead of the military entity that identified the Al Qaeda cell of Mohammed Atta, then perhaps, Mr. Speaker, 9/11 would never have occurred,” Weldon said during his special order remarks.

According to Weldon, staff members of the 9/11 Commission were briefed on the capabilities of the Able Danger intelligence unit within the Special Operations Command, which had been set up by General Pete Schoomaker, who headed Special Ops at the time, on the orders of General Hugh Shelton, then the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. Staffers at the 9/11 Commission staffers were also told about the specific recommendation to break up the Mohammed Atta cell. However, those commission staff members apparently did not choose to brief the commission’s members on these sensitive matters.

Weldon said he was told specifically by commission members, Tim Roemer, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana; and John Lehman, a former secretary of the Navy; that they had never been briefed on the Able Danger unit within Special Ops or on the unit’s evidence of a terrorist cell in Brooklyn.

“I personally talked with [Philip] Zelikow [executive director of the 9/11 Commission] about this,” recalled the intelligence officer. “For whatever bizarre reasons, he didn’t pass on the information.”

The State Department, where Zelikow now works as a counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, said he was traveling and unavailable for comment.

“Why did the 9/11 Commission not investigate this entire situation?” asked Weldon on June 27. “Why did the 9/11 Commission not ask the question about the military’s recommendation against the Mohammed Atta cell?”

Weldon is also disappointed with himself for not pushing harder against the intelligence bureaucracy that he saw as resisting his proposal to set up a more integrated intelligence-gathering operation. But he saves some of his greatest ire for the lawyers within the Department of Defense -- he is not sure if they were working within the Special Operations Command or higher up the organizational chart, within the Office of the Secretary of Defense -- for their unwillingness to allow Able Danger to send to the FBI its evidence and its recommendation for immediate action.

“Obviously, if we had taken out that cell, 9/11 would not have occurred and, certainly, taking out those three principal players in that cell would have severely crippled, if not totally stopped, the operation that killed 3,000 people in America,” said Weldon.

Shining a spotlight on this intelligence gaffe has not been easy. Russ Caso, Weldon’s chief of staff, explained to GSN the steps his boss has taken to shed light on the situation.

Weldon spoke with Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI), the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, about conversations he has had with several members of the Able Danger intelligence unit. Weldon has urged Hoekstra to investigate the reasons why Able Danger’s revelations were not shared with the FBI. Hoekstra looked into the matter at the Pentagon, but after several days of fruitless inquiries, was unable to find anyone at the Defense Department who seemed to know anything about Able Danger or would acknowledge the intelligence unit had ever existed, explained Caso in a telephone interview with GSN.

Unwilling to let the matter drop, Weldon arranged for a face-to-face meeting in late July between Hoekstra, himself and the former intelligence officer who had worked with Able Danger, and who outlined his former unit’s evidence and recommendations for Hoekstra.

“Congressman Weldon has met with several people who were working on Able Danger to identify where Al Qaeda was set up around the world,” said Caso. “They made the suggestion that this information be passed to the FBI, and lawyers within the Defense Department -- whether within Special Ops or within OSD, we don’t know -- and the lawyers said, ‘No’.”

A report about some of these events appeared last June 19 in The Times Herald newspaper, of Norristown, PA, which is located in the Philadelphia suburbs that Rep. Weldon represents in Congress.


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So we had Atta in 2000 and all Defense had to do was send the information over to the FBI, and a bunch of lawyers would not allow it? This is one time they would have been better off to break the rule.

Interesting that the 9/11 Commission should mention that wall of separation, since it had been set up by a memo from Assistant Secretary Jamie Gorelick, who was a 9/11 commission member.

The people involved in preventing the arrest of Atta should be investigated and at the very least fired and barred from working for the U.S. government again -- ever.

At the very least. Savage was demanding tonight that they be tried for treason.

You can find more on this at https://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/51648.htm and at http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/10/us_knew_of_al_qaeda_cell_before_911_lawmaker?mode=PF

1 posted on 08/10/2005 10:49:50 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

Whole bunch in the klinton admin. knew it, but chose TREASON over loyalty to their oath! It's never too late to bring traitors to trial.


2 posted on 08/10/2005 10:57:13 PM PDT by Waco
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To: TBP

Clinton had more important things to worry about in 2000. /sarc


3 posted on 08/10/2005 11:01:05 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: TBP
That’s because Mohammed Atta possessed a “green card” at the time and Defense Department lawyers did not want to recommend that the FBI go after someone holding a green card.

Its hard to believe that we cannot arrest/execute a terrorist just because of that card... and the result is, thousands of dead innocent civilians and street dancing demons in Palestine.

4 posted on 08/10/2005 11:03:01 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
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To: TBP

Well, it had been true for a long time that groups designed to work outside the USA's borders, like the CIA, could not officially share information with the FBI.

Definitely in this situation, we wish that would have happened. But I'm not surprised regarding this. There are probably other ways it could have been accomplished, though.


5 posted on 08/10/2005 11:04:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: TBP

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1460271/posts
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6 posted on 08/10/2005 11:05:32 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: TBP

If this had happened under the Bush administration the MSM and Demagogues would have seen that the 9/11 Commission wrote their whole report about it. Instead, we were treated to the absurd spectacle of Richard Clarke fabricating a case that Condi Rice supposedly acted like she'd never heard of Al Qaeda, yeah right! So under the Clintonlites clear opportunities to roll up Atta's cell were squandered, and the 9/11 Comm. provided a whitewash of history. Wonder what else Sandy Burglar, Jamie Gorelicker, and other scumbags have covered up?????


7 posted on 08/10/2005 11:12:58 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: TBP

If confirmed as true, this is horrible!

Mrs. Gorelick then should look for a job in fast-food, something more along her abilities.

This would be another incriminating piece against Clinton, our "Fuhrer" who told us white radical Christians are the danger all awhile WTC1 (1993), Kohbar towers, USS Cole, US embassies blew up. Yes, the leader who looked so concerned when our dead were brought back from Somalia (where he was involved in botching it up), Rwanda a year later where he failed to do something and Iraq which was violating the armistice, threw out the inspectors and all he had the courage to do was fire a few missiles.

In fact I’d say that the 2003 Iraq war might have never occurred had Clinton not allowed this erosion in inspections, controls, violations of no fly/no wheel zones etc. Even in the Balkans Clinton was a disaster. Not making up his mind until late in the game, then adopting a policy which Bush Sr. proposed and he berated as “war mongering” during the elections. Guess how the war in the Balkans was financed? The DoD never received the funding it required to finance this war once he did make up his mind, so out of hide the DoD had to suck up many of the costs. We don’t want to mess with the “Peace Dividend” do we? Our military was being bled dry under him.

This is another nail in Clinton’s coffin. He even cut the War on Drugs program. We went from around 2000 to 500 personnel in Columbia and much of the funding was cut. No president in history has jeopardized our national security as bad as Clinton. Immature, self-serving, this ideologically left minded individual did some severe damage to us in his eight years in office. Even our missile defense shield (Reenergized under Bush Jr.) was cut into and just on the ropes under his tenure. It’s unbelievable what a bad President can do! But it’s an insult to the service member when Newsweek ran an article in 2003 stating the success in Iraq was only possible because of “Clintons Army.”

If this article is confirmed then it's just one more aspect where Clinton was negligent in performing his duties.

Red6


8 posted on 08/10/2005 11:22:59 PM PDT by Red6
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To: TBP; All

Death , Dishonor, Destruction

Clintoon's True Legacy?

GORELICK GATE: Developing...

FR Archives Search Results for Gorelick Wall


9 posted on 08/10/2005 11:24:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Waco
Whole bunch in the klinton admin. knew it, but chose TREASON over loyalty to their oath! It's never too late to bring traitors to trial.

Aren't the Brits bringing up treason charges against the nationals that were part of the terrorist cell responsible for the failed bombing?

10 posted on 08/10/2005 11:25:46 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Another Gate....my eyes are bleary, tomorrow!!!


11 posted on 08/10/2005 11:28:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I hear ya. I'm pooped too.. signing off shortly.

re: Your question on another thread about SoxGate, I think that's what we were gonna call it, but I'm with you, so many gates, so little lubricant. DRILL ANWR!


12 posted on 08/10/2005 11:37:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: All

I wonder if this is the kind of info that Bergler stuffed in his pants.

"We were all laughing about it."
Bill Clinton


13 posted on 08/10/2005 11:37:25 PM PDT by Sun (Call U.S. senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762; tell them to give Roberts an up or down vote.)
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To: ariamne; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; TexasCowboy; broadsword; FairfaxVA; ...

Vital P.R.O.P.*-related ping!

Contact your Congressmen and women, your Senators and demand that they ally themselves with Penn. Rep. Curt Weldon, and conduct a special investigation and/or appoint a special prosecutor.

WHO WERE these LAWYERS in the DoD, or Klintoon White House?

Why did they have/enact such a policy?

What roles did Sandy "Burglar" and Jamie Gorelick play, besides the obvious?

WHO let 19 bloodthirsty practitioners of the P.R.O.P. go unfettered with their plans to MURDER 3,000 civilian Americans in a ruthless act of war?

WHERE does the trail of Blood and shame lead to?

How much stonewalling, evading, lying, and misdirecting will we tolerate before we march in the streets?

Will we let Hitlery into the White House, so we can go back to business as usual, and it can happen - again - on a worse scale?

Are you FREEPING outraged yet?!

A.A.C.

*{Phony Religion Of Peace}

"Let the Final Crusade commence!"


14 posted on 08/10/2005 11:38:59 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: NormsRevenge

ROFL!!


15 posted on 08/10/2005 11:45:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Andy from Beaverton; Admin Moderator

Wow! That's plenty of duplicates.


16 posted on 08/11/2005 12:16:20 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: TBP
“If we had had that [military intelligence] system in 1999 and 2000, which the military had already developed as a prototype, and if we had followed the lead of the military entity that identified the Al Qaeda cell of Mohammed Atta, then perhaps, Mr. Speaker, 9/11 would never have occurred,” Weldon said during his special order remarks

Good grief, why in the h#ll wasn't the system in place and running and why isn't it now?

17 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:21 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Red6
Mrs. Gorelick then should look for a job in fast-food, something more along her abilities.

Actually she should be wearing an orange jumpsuit, and be picking up trash by the side of the road with a chain around her leg.

18 posted on 08/11/2005 1:24:43 AM PDT by feedback doctor (Going to war might mean terrorism, NOT going to war means slavery and death)
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To: TBP

Where is the cry from those media darlings, the 9/11 widows?


19 posted on 08/11/2005 1:26:46 AM PDT by feedback doctor (Going to war might mean terrorism, NOT going to war means slavery and death)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Makes you wonder if documents related to this took a ride in the 'Burgler's' pants.


20 posted on 08/11/2005 1:28:07 AM PDT by feedback doctor (Going to war might mean terrorism, NOT going to war means slavery and death)
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To: TBP

"Indeed I did . . ."

21 posted on 08/11/2005 1:30:25 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: feedback doctor

Exactly what I intentionally implied! Can we call the coverup "Tighty-whitey-gate"...?

A.A.C.


22 posted on 08/11/2005 1:33:11 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: feedback doctor

Nowhere...after all, the Jersey Girls only care about bringing President Bush down and face time.


23 posted on 08/11/2005 1:36:31 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: TBP

And once again, an ENTIRE arcticle about this and not ONE mention of the Clinton Administration!!



24 posted on 08/11/2005 2:04:19 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: TBP

No surprise: they had Zacharias Mousouie (sp?) who was caught trying to learn how to fly but didn't care about how to land and the lawyers back in DC wouldn't let the agents look into his computer. Other field were worried about arabs taking flying lessons, their warnings were buried in DC. Probably many other incidents we have not heard about.


25 posted on 08/11/2005 2:06:14 AM PDT by jaykay (neo-infidel)
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To: Sun

"I wonder if this is the kind of info that Bergler stuffed in his pants."

Ditto. I wouldn't doubt it, but I do doubt we will ever know WHAT Sandy Burglar stashed in his socks. Clinton's Legacy> Destroying America.


26 posted on 08/11/2005 2:13:07 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: TBP
knew it? we planned it! It was all about the oil, remember? haven't you heard that the flight that hit the Pentagon hit on the opposite side from Donald Rumsfeld's office? Or that the plane was actually flown by joystick from NORAD, because no pilot could make it do what it did? /nonsense

Had to post the "/nonsense" because, undoubtedly, some would think I was serious, probably because people have asserted this very nonsense with a straight face. I heard a guy pitching a CD that supposedly "proves" all this and more, as part of a fundraiser for some NYC community radio station. Couldn't believe my ears.

27 posted on 08/11/2005 2:17:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: TBP
The Clinton Administration was successful in tearing down the FBI, and it appears that put bad lawyers into DOD to smell up the place...
28 posted on 08/11/2005 4:00:50 AM PDT by topher (G-d bless our troops and protect them)
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To: TBP

Pretty much answers the question "what did they know and when did they know it?" Long before the current adminsitration.

True, that hindsight is 20/20 and I can accomodate a small amount of the benefit of the doubt there.

HOWEVER, once the 911 commission was in place, there is no explanation in the world to this reader why this was not brought to the forefront. That to me is the larger question. Who on the 911 'staff' decides what gets forwarded to the Commission? With the exception of Gorelick, who should have never been a part of it, I think they did an admirable job. But it appears now that they were kept in the dark on this. What else is lurking in those dark corners? And what did Sandy Burglar have stuffed in his socks?


29 posted on 08/11/2005 4:09:34 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: TBP

This sure goes a long way to explain how, on the day of the attacks, they were able to reveal who most of the hijackers were.


30 posted on 08/11/2005 4:10:56 AM PDT by Conservative Infidel (How come they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them??)
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To: TBP
“If we had had that [military intelligence] system in 1999 and 2000, which the military had already developed as a prototype, and if we had followed the lead of the military entity that identified the Al Qaeda cell of Mohammed Atta, then perhaps, Mr. Speaker, 9/11 would never have occurred,” Weldon said during his special order remarks.

That sums it all up for me.
31 posted on 08/11/2005 4:15:32 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

"recommended to their military superiors that the FBI be called in to “take out that cell,”"

I wonder what this statement means, "take out that cell"? I'd like to know what the FBI can do and get away with. I have no problem with the FBI physically elminating the cell.


32 posted on 08/11/2005 4:56:08 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Red6

Excellent post this should never be forgotten.


33 posted on 08/11/2005 5:15:22 AM PDT by keysguy (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

"WHO let 19 bloodthirsty practitioners of the P.R.O.P. go unfettered with their plans to MURDER 3,000 civilian Americans in a ruthless act of war?"

That question is going to haunt me for ever AAC.


34 posted on 08/11/2005 5:23:15 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: TBP
According to Weldon, staff members of the 9/11 Commission were briefed on the capabilities of the Able Danger intelligence unit within the Special Operations Command, which had been set up by General Pete Schoomaker, who headed Special Ops at the time, on the orders of General Hugh Shelton, then the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. Staffers at the 9/11 Commission staffers were also told about the specific recommendation to break up the Mohammed Atta cell. However, those commission staff members apparently did not choose to brief the commission’s members on these sensitive matters.

Although one can blame Clinton more than Bush, both administrations failed to take action. No need to wonder why the commission wasn't briefed...just the politicians circling the wagon's to protect each other asses at the expense of our national security....
35 posted on 08/11/2005 5:25:37 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gorelick needs to be dragged to death by her feet behind a slow-moving ox cart on a long gravel road.


36 posted on 08/11/2005 5:31:27 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo (Hey! That's NOT YOUR COOKIE!!!)
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To: TBP
Ohhhhh come on people, quit blaming Clinton and his administration. 9-11 is all Dubya's fault.

It was documented by the prestigious 9-11 Commission, whose members integrity is beyond reproach, that when Billy Jeff President Clinton handed over the front door key for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to President Bush, he said, "Oh by the way, there's this guy Bin Laden, watch out for him."

See. It's all Bush's fault!

~~~ sarcasm off~~

37 posted on 08/11/2005 5:37:31 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: jaykay

This is why no matter how bad the GOP may be, we can never ever vote for a RAT.


38 posted on 08/11/2005 5:40:22 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: Conservative Infidel

That was kind of earie come to think about it. I regret to say that the GOP has no will to bring Gorelick to account for this and whoever might be responsible for the deaths of our fellow citizens. At least this rises to the level of criminal negligence, if not reckelessness.


39 posted on 08/11/2005 5:42:57 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: ChristianDefender
What's this Green Card bit? We've only heard Visa since 9-11. They are different, yes??

Within a few days of 9-11, the FBI published a comprehensive timeline on Atta which I'm almost certain included his entry into the USA in 2000. This info must have been the Able info.

At the time, I guestioned "HOW" this info on Atta come to light so quickly. Now I know. They had it all the time.

This gives Berger's bungling burglary a motive: "Get Able out of the FBI/CIA files. Make Able stop at the Pentagon".

40 posted on 08/11/2005 6:04:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 08/11/2005 6:05:39 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: chris1
Ashcroft took Gorelick to account during the hearings. He was livid about it. I give him the highest praise for bringing it to everyone's attention.

Unfortunately, you can't nail Gorelick for anything. She listened to Ashcroft and never batted an eye.

42 posted on 08/11/2005 6:07:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: TBP
It's all Bush's fault...no...wait a minute, 1999 - 2000, HEY! It's CLINTON'S FAULT!!

No wonder Sandy Burglar was stealing from the archives, looks like he missed a few.

43 posted on 08/11/2005 7:04:33 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: nopardons
Although I agree with you about those 3, I did see Breitweiser (?) on the news last nite decrying this cover-up...perhaps the error of her past ways has finally become clear.

Either that or she thinks Bush was in office then.

44 posted on 08/11/2005 7:08:11 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
Thanks for the PING, AAC.

I got so involved in reading and responding, I almost forgot my manners! ;0)

45 posted on 08/11/2005 7:11:34 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: Former Dodger; nopardons

"perhaps the error of her past ways has finally become clear." "Either that or she thinks Bush was in office then."

Judging from this article on today's front page of the local Jersey paper (covers Breitweiser's town), I'd say it's the latter.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/NEWS/508110430


46 posted on 08/11/2005 7:15:38 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: TBP
At the very least. Savage was demanding tonight that they be tried for treason.

Savage was on fire yesterday. I stayed in my car for an hour before I went into my house completely disgusted with what was covered on his show. Treasonous ba$tards!
47 posted on 08/11/2005 7:18:27 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: freeperfromnj
Thanks for the ping...you may be right.

I can save them some trouble. From the article:
"...the women were ready to go to Washington, D.C. and "knock on doors" if that is what it will take to get all the answers."

We can just take the PATH train or NJ Transit into the city and then the IRT to Clintoon's Harlem Office, the only door that needs to be knocked on.

48 posted on 08/11/2005 7:31:26 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: SeaBiscuit

"Clinton's Legacy> Destroying America."

You got it. Between 9/11, selling military secrets to the Chinese, etc. Clinton should be in jail.

Also, let's remember who was co-prez with Bill Clinton, and who also will help to destroy America.


49 posted on 08/11/2005 10:12:58 AM PDT by Sun (Call U.S. senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762; tell them to give Roberts an up or down vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge
[ so many gates, so little lubricant. DRILL ANWR! ]

LoL.. Finally some sense made of these matters..
The squeaking of them gates is ear wrenching..
Ockhams razor demands that theres no lubricant, ON PURPOSE..
Its not an oversight..

Not only is there no lubricant on the ???gates but theres no lubricant on democrat voter fraud either.. and on top of all that Sandy Burglar gets a hand slap.. The only thing missing is the purpose of this happening ON PURPOSE.. Cause it IS happening on purpose.. Must be the proverbial hen house has become the fox house.. when the clucking stops the foxes have moved it.. and all the foxes are not democrats..

50 posted on 08/11/2005 10:47:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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