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9/11 Commission Acknowledges Briefing On Able Danger
Captain's Quarters ^ | August 10, 2005 | Captain Ed

Posted on 08/11/2005 6:13:03 AM PDT by YaYa123

Tomorrow's New York Times reports that members of the 9/11 Commission reversed themselves and now acknowledge being briefed on the Army's data mining project, Able Danger, prior to the publication of their report to the American people. After over 24 hours of denying that anyone had told the Commission about the secret project, their spokesman now says that commission officials met with a uniformed officer who told them about the identification of Mohammed Atta and three other 9/11 hijackers in 2000, over a year prior to the attacks:

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KEYWORDS: 911commission; 911coverup; abledanger; atta; gorelick; jamiegorelick; thewall; weldon
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"First we hear that no such meeting occurred. After that, the Commission says one might have occurred in October 2003 but that no one remembered it. Now we find out that the Commission had two meetings where the heard about Able Danger and its identification of Mohammed Atta, including one just before they completed their report. Instead of saying to themselves, "Hey, wait a minute -- this changes the picture substantially," and postponing the report until they could look further into Able Danger, they simply shrugged their shoulders and published what they had."

Think of it: Members of the 9-ll Commission were lying YESTERDAY about what they knew and when they knew it.

Will the MSM ask "why" ?

1 posted on 08/11/2005 6:13:05 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: YaYa123

The 9/11 Commision was just about blaming it all on Bush and they certainly weren't willing to come out with any evidence that Clinton is the one who dropped the ball.


2 posted on 08/11/2005 6:15:48 AM PDT by tiki
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To: YaYa123

These were briefings to their Staff according to Curt Weldon on Tony Snow yesterday. Said that two of the members of the 9-11 had never heard of this at all. Secretary Lehman was livid when he found out about this and I cannot remember the name of the other individual.

Noticed now they want to say it was the Commission now but Weldon said it was the Commission's staff.


3 posted on 08/11/2005 6:15:52 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: YaYa123

Captain Ed once again on top of the news BUMP!!


4 posted on 08/11/2005 6:16:36 AM PDT by conservativecorner (It's a cult of death and submission to fanatics Larry!!)
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To: YaYa123

Another Thank you clinton this is to big for the media to cover up...


5 posted on 08/11/2005 6:20:36 AM PDT by partyrepub
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To: YaYa123
So what did the Commission do? It ignored those facts which did not fit within its predetermined conclusions.

I'm shocked.... you mean that members of the commission might actually have endangered the American public for a potential political gain.

6 posted on 08/11/2005 6:21:14 AM PDT by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: YaYa123

YaYa, thanks for the ping on the other thread regarding this matter.

I just left you a message that I thought you should post this link on every thread about this matter, but being its own thread is even better.

Outstanding job.


7 posted on 08/11/2005 6:23:56 AM PDT by Peach
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To: PhiKapMom

Lehman needs to demand the other commissioners answer the question: "Were you told about Able-Danger and Atta by the commission staff, and when did you get that information."

Let's all hear what Jamie's answer is!!!!


8 posted on 08/11/2005 6:24:02 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: YaYa123

The Cover-up Commission covers up the cover up.


9 posted on 08/11/2005 6:24:05 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: PhiKapMom

I can believe that the actual 911 commission did not see every piece of material. I'm sure all of it would have to be 'vetted' by a commission staff, otherwise, we'd still be there. But why oh why wasn't this forwarded..and by whom....Who were those staffers. What else is out there?


10 posted on 08/11/2005 6:25:12 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: YaYa123
There you have it, the biggest DOT of all didn't make the cut. This means that the cornerstone of the 9/11 Commission's conclusions no longer fit the facts. Able Danger showed that the U.S. had actionable intelligence, if the Clinton administration had allowed law enforcement and intelligence operations to cooperate with each other.

So now we know, what are we going to do next? Keep a sharp eye out for the finger pointing to begin. One line to watch for is 'the Pentagon withheld information from the 9/11 commission' -- Standard fare for cover ups.

Yoohoo, Jersey gals, remember those Bush bashing beauties that were the talk of the town when the left was trying to hang the lapses of 9/11 on President Bush. I think we have found the DOT you were looking for. What say y'all now? We're waiting.
11 posted on 08/11/2005 6:25:51 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: YaYa123

A legitimate unbiased MSM press would be hounding the daylights out of Jamie Gorelick about now (whatever rock she is presenty under). Beyond Atta and the direct Al-Qaida perpetrators, Gorelick is the person most responsible for 9-11 being a successful terrorist operation.


12 posted on 08/11/2005 6:27:15 AM PDT by rod1
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To: YaYa123
And while the Clinton policy of enforcing a quarantine between law enforcement and intelligence operations came under general criticism, their report never included the fact that the "wall" for which Commission member Jamie S. Gorelick had so much responsibility specifically contributed to Atta's ability to come and go as he pleased, building the teams that would kill almost 3,000 Americans.

When Gorelick wasn't forced to resign, we knew it was going to be all about protecting Clinton's legacy.

13 posted on 08/11/2005 6:27:25 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Wuli

Weldon said yesterday that Lehman was demanding answers from Hamilton and I am not sure Hamilton knew about this -- if he did, he sure didn't act like it yesterday.

Have a hunch it was a closed group who knew this and now we know why Burger stole the documents and may be the reason his sentencing was DELAYED!


14 posted on 08/11/2005 6:27:41 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: SueRae
What else is out there?

Exactly! Cong Weldon is leading the charge on this one and Secretary Lehman is right there from what I heard yesterday. Would love to find out just who was briefed.

15 posted on 08/11/2005 6:29:07 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: YaYa123
Time for a Commission to investigate the Commission.

Chairman - Karl Rove !!!

16 posted on 08/11/2005 6:29:13 AM PDT by airborne
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To: tiki

As much as I respect President Bush it is time for conservatives to insist that his administration put aside the 'new tone' thing and demand that the Able Danger/9-11 Commission connection be fully explored. It is worth the public humiliation of the man from Hope and his underlings, Gorelick and Berger, to fully highlight Democrat incompetence and deceit in crucial national security matters.


17 posted on 08/11/2005 6:30:17 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: YaYa123

Hell, I'm still waiting for the MSM to admit it was the Clinton administration not the Bush administration that did not go after Atta.

Won't hold my breath.


18 posted on 08/11/2005 6:30:27 AM PDT by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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To: PhiKapMom

Berger's sentencing was delayed??


19 posted on 08/11/2005 6:30:45 AM PDT by airborne
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To: tiki
And while the Clinton policy of enforcing a quarantine between law enforcement and intelligence operations came under general criticism, their report never included the fact that the "wall" for which Commission member Jamie S. Gorelick had so much responsibility specifically contributed to Atta's ability to come and go as he pleased, building the teams that would kill almost 3,000 Americans.

Hmmm...something about Chicken and roosting...Eh, Democrats?

20 posted on 08/11/2005 6:31:00 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: YaYa123
The following information, posted by Southack last night, blew me away:

1 year prior to the 9/11 WTC/Pentagon attacks, Mohamed Atta's Saudi Arabian roommate crashed his Piper Cherokee private aircraft into a Piper Aztec commercial flight in Florida. The date: 9/11/2000.

Here's the government report from that crash


21 posted on 08/11/2005 6:31:07 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: PhiKapMom

BINGO


22 posted on 08/11/2005 6:31:13 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Mr and Mrs WilsonIII were both working UNDERtheCOVERS!)
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To: PhiKapMom

The other one, besides Lehman, was former Congressman Tim Roemer, D of Indiana.


23 posted on 08/11/2005 6:33:03 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: YaYa123

BTTT


24 posted on 08/11/2005 6:33:57 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: PhiKapMom

I should have read the entire post from the linked blogsite before I made my comment about the staffers, my apologies. The commission members themselves have to be held accountable. I am waiting to hear a comment from Kean. I've always thought him a straight shooter, if this is not the case, I woill be even angrier. Otherwise , this was nothing more than an attempted lynching of the current administration. And to think of the way Sec. Rice was grilled. What say ye, Mr. Clarke????? This is getting me madder by the minute.


25 posted on 08/11/2005 6:35:05 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: YaYa123
WARNED!!!!
The Sept. 11 commission was WARNED by a UNIFORMED military officer 10 days before issuing its final report that the account would be INCOMPLETE without reference to [Able Danger]

KNEW!!!?
The officials said that the information had not been included in the report because aspects of the officer's account had sounded inconsistent with what the commission KNEW about that Qaeda member, Mohammed Atta, the plot's leader...

KNEW!!?? They werent supposed to KNOW ANYTHING... they were commissioned to FIND OUT!!

26 posted on 08/11/2005 6:36:08 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: YaYa123
The MSM is trying to blame the staffers.

Note to the MSM: Nice try...

27 posted on 08/11/2005 6:37:07 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: txrangerette

Thanks -- I could not remember the other name -- I got the feeling they had been kept out of the loop by others on the Commission.


28 posted on 08/11/2005 6:37:44 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: airborne

That's what they said had happened on a newsbreak I heard on the radio. I vaguely remembered something about it.


29 posted on 08/11/2005 6:39:42 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: YaYa123

Most won't. I'm betting Brit Hume will, but few others measure up to his journalistic integrity.


30 posted on 08/11/2005 6:40:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: YaYa123
"We, The People" have been lied to!

And at the risk of our national security!

I'm dumbfounded. ...and mad as hell.

31 posted on 08/11/2005 6:40:38 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: SueRae

Our newsbreak this morning said only staffers and certain Commission members -- a lot were left in the dark if the report was right this morning. The staffers were the ones that vetted this whole deal.

Lehman and Rohmer are both livid they didn't know so it did not get vetted to the whole Commission. I would love to know which members did get this info and if that is what Burger was stealing.


32 posted on 08/11/2005 6:41:22 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom
Sure looks like this has legs. It's called a conspiracy.

Read somewhere that they were going to search which records Berger accessed in the archives.

I have many friends in various archives. Either I have someone attending me watchfully or I'm videotaped from several cameras. The records I access are ALWAYS logged.

Who was the archivist who let Berger have a little more freedom than allowable? And why did Berger insist on them calling Clinton's lawyer FIRST when he got caught?

33 posted on 08/11/2005 6:42:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: skinkinthegrass
More on Gorelick:

The memo grew out of the Justice Department's prosecution of the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center -- the act that apparently gave Osama bin Laden the idea to try again in 2001.

"During the course of those investigations," wrote Gorelick in 1995, "significant counterintelligence information has been developed related to the activities and plans of agents of foreign powers operating in this country and overseas, including previously unknown connections between separate terrorist groups." But Gorelick wanted to make sure that the left hand didn't know what the right was doing. "(W)e believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."

The problem, of course, is that the inability to share information is precisely what hampered federal agents in tracking down the 9-11 hijackers. As Attorney General Ashcroft testified, this artificial wall impeded the investigation into Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker, who was arrested prior to the 9-11 attack, as well as Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, both of whom were identified by the CIA as suspected terrorists possibly in the United States prior to their participation in those terrible attacks. "Because of the wall, FBI Headquarters refused to allow criminal investigators who knew the most about the most recent al Qaeda attack to join in the hunt for the suspected terrorists," Ashcroft told the commission.

Town Hall

More on Gorelick:

On Aug. 22, 1996, just a few days before the start of the Democratic National Convention, Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI. Immediately after this meeting, as it happened, all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

On the next day, for instance, the FAA began to inquire whether any dog-training exercises had ever taken place on the plane that would become TWA 800. On the same day, as CNN reported, the FBI now claimed publicly for the first time that the explosive residue found along the right wing "could have been brought on the plane by a passenger and was not part of a bomb." Likewise, after the meeting, the FBI would do no more eyewitness interviews, at least not for the next two months. The Bureau only did a handful after that – and all of those for the wrong reasons.

WND

"Evidence strongly suggests it was Gorelick – not the ineffectual Freeh – who not only misdirected the FBI's investigation into Oklahoma City, but also the FBI investigation into TWA Flight 800. The parallels between the two cases are shocking. And in each case, the Clinton administration constrained the FBI for the same reason: to advance the re-election chances of its standard bearer. "

Although [Jayna]Davis does not document Gorelick's role in Oklahoma City, media accounts routinely describe her as the director of the Oklahoma City task force, the so-called "field commander." As Davis has told me, someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it."

Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection

34 posted on 08/11/2005 6:42:48 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: YaYa123

Has anyone looked through the staff reports to see if Able Danger even made it into those reports?

A lot of stuff in the staff reports never made it into the final report. For example, although there was mention of Salmon Pak in a December 2003 staff report, I don't think Salmon Pak was ever mentioned in the final report.

And I want to see Congressional hearings with under oath testimony from the staff and Commission as to why the findings of Able Danger wasn't explored.


35 posted on 08/11/2005 6:42:49 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Samurai_Jack
The story says that Commission staff members were briefed, but there is nothing saying that this information was ever passed on to members of the Commission itself.

Some of the members of that Commission are hacks, but some aren't. Lehman, Kean, and even Hamilton are not the kind of people who would have whitewashed this. What will be interesting is to find out which staffers were briefed, and why they did not pass that information on to all the members of the Commission.

I would not be shocked to learn that they may have passed the information on to one or two of the hacks on the Commission, who then concealed it from the rest.

36 posted on 08/11/2005 6:43:27 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: rod1
In the end what Gorelick did was signed off by the National Security Advisor(Berger) and President Clinton.

So that's what was in Sandy Berger's pants? Had to be important to take the risks he did.
37 posted on 08/11/2005 6:43:33 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: dead

Wow. Thanks for this repost of that message. I hadn't heard of this before now.


38 posted on 08/11/2005 6:46:00 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Sacajaweau

From what I heard he was being watched and why he got caught with things in his socks, etc. This is going to get more interesting as the days go by and I see Ms. Clinton's Presidential hopes going down the drain more and more.

Wondered why Morris had the deal yesterday about McAuliffe saying that Hillary would drop out of the Senate race to concentrate on the 2008 race. Maybe they knew this was coming?

Someone needs to make up a sign to follow her around with "When Did You and Your CO-President know about Atta?"


39 posted on 08/11/2005 6:46:20 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: Tarpon
You're right...If they can say it never got out of the Pentagon, that keeps MORE scandal away from the FBI and CIA.

Except I'm almost positive that Atta's timeline which was given out only a few days after 9-11 included 2 entries into the US in 2000.

40 posted on 08/11/2005 6:46:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Our newsbreak this morning said only staffers and certain Commission members -- a lot were left in the dark if the report was right this morning. The staffers were the ones that vetted this whole deal.

So, find out which Commission members were letting staffers do the work they were responsible for, and throw them out!

41 posted on 08/11/2005 6:46:42 AM PDT by airborne
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To: YaYa123

What a damning article. I still can't believed the NY Times is actually publishing it; no doubt to take heat off of their skullduggery into Roberts children's adoption records.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/11/politics/11intel.html?ex=1281412800&en=3c4c0f2346a58391&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss


42 posted on 08/11/2005 6:47:03 AM PDT by markedman (Islam = surrender, and we will NEVER surrender!)
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To: SueRae

This was excerpted this morning from the NY Times which points at the staff ...Al Felzenberg, who served as the commission's chief spokesman, said earlier this week that staff members who were briefed about Able Danger at a first meeting, in October 2003, did not remember hearing anything about Mr. Atta or an American terrorist cell. On Wednesday, however, Mr. Felzenberg said the uniformed officer who briefed two staff members in July 2004 had indeed mentioned Mr. Atta....

Mr. Felzenberg said the commission's staff remained convinced that the information provided by the military officer in the July 2004 briefing was inaccurate in a significant way....

Mr. Felzenberg said staff investigators had become wary of the officer because he argued that Able Danger had identified Mr. Atta, an Egyptian, as having been in the United States in late 1999 or early 2000. The investigators knew this was impossible, Mr. Felzenberg said, since travel records confirmed that he had not entered the United States until June 2000.

"There was no way that Atta could have been in the United States at that time, which is why the staff didn't give this tremendous weight when they were writing the report," Mr. Felzenberg said. "This information was not meshing with the other information that we had."

But Russell Caso, Mr. Weldon's chief of staff, said that "while the dates may not have meshed" with the commission's information, the central element of the officer's claim was that "Mohammed Atta was identified as being tied to Al Qaeda and a Brooklyn cell more than a year before the Sept. 11 attacks, and that should have warranted further investigation by the commission."

Mr. Caso: "If Mohammed Atta was identified by the Able Danger project, why didn't the Department of Defense provide that information to the F.B.I.?"

Mr. Felzenberg confirmed an account by Mr. Weldon's staff that the briefing... had been conducted....


43 posted on 08/11/2005 6:47:23 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: airborne

I would say Gorlick rises to the top for sure. Not sure about Hamilton, he seems genuinely angry.

Lehman and Rohmer did not hear of this report because Weldon said both are livid.

Other than that, who knows but we need to find out. I am shocked at the NY Times on this.


44 posted on 08/11/2005 6:49:12 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: YaYa123

Gorelick needs to be held accountable for her cover up. What's the next step?


45 posted on 08/11/2005 6:49:40 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Gorelick is surely behind the blocking of this information--she had to protect not only the Clinton admin and policies, but her own rear end. I wish I could be optimistic about some punishment coming to these people, but so far the Bush admin has been too busy making nice to lower the boom.


46 posted on 08/11/2005 6:49:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: YaYa123
Just after reading this report this morning, but before bringing up Google News, which collects headlines from hundreds of MSM sources, I said to myself, "This is major news -- and Google will have no mention of it."

I was right on both counts.

47 posted on 08/11/2005 6:50:00 AM PDT by beckett
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To: Sacajaweau

I remember that as well. Commission still trying to cover up if you ask me but this one has legs.


48 posted on 08/11/2005 6:50:09 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: TexasCajun

"We, The People" have been lied to!
And at the risk of our national security!

I'm dumbfounded. ...and mad as hell.

I'm spittin' mad too. I have even less faith in our government to keep us secure.


49 posted on 08/11/2005 6:50:47 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers (Freud was wrong. It's all about "Roe v. Wade")
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To: MizSterious

It's not just Gorelick. Everyone on that commission needs to be eyeballed. Gorelick wasn't the only one with some incredibly unsavory conflicts of interest.


50 posted on 08/11/2005 6:51:52 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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