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The autism epidemic that never was
New Scientist ^ | August 13, 2005 | Graham Lawton

Posted on 08/11/2005 1:48:37 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War

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To: Choose Ye This Day
I suspect there has been a steady increase in the incidence of severe autism--but that's just a hunch. Nobody is studying just one part of the spectrum. And I'm tired of people dismissing the problem as if there is no problem.

Instinctively, I disagree, but of course I cannot prove it. Between my husband and I, we have encountered quite a number of people with children diagnosed with Asperger. It is not nearly as common to encounter a child with true autism. In real life, I haven't met one yet.

41 posted on 08/11/2005 8:41:56 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Domestic Church

funding is not an issue with us - it is definitely a medical and scientific problem for my children.

I am still wondering how many with this mindset actually have an autistic child?


42 posted on 08/11/2005 8:42:26 PM PDT by cas7boys (everybody chooses who they sleep with)
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To: cas7boys
funding is not an issue with us - it is definitely a medical and scientific problem for my children.

I think what Domestic Church meant was that your children, were they involved with a study, might help us to find answers about autism. It could be illustrative to find out what the similarities and differences are in brain reactions, areas of activity, between your children (who differ in how severe they are).

43 posted on 08/11/2005 8:46:16 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: cas7boys

It is a funding issue on the grand scale...it should never be one for the true autistic child or his family but it can be if their district isn't geared to the special education funding machine (that will also result in over diagnosis by it's industrial self perpetuation.)

In order to properly treat this, the system exaggerates the need.


44 posted on 08/11/2005 8:50:14 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Thank you for posting this excellent article. I agree with this author's data: that the label of autism is diagnosed more often now than in the past. The best book I've ever come across on the subject was Temple Grandin's Thinking in Pictures. She is a high functioning autistic who learned to articulate what is happening in her mind. She said that she takes anti-depressants regularly and has no sex drive, thus no desire to engage in social relations with a man. But she works in the cattle industry and is quite successful because she can see the world through the perspective of animals.
45 posted on 08/11/2005 8:55:21 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Domestic Church

Can you clue me in on this "special education funding machine" - i am sure my district would love to know how to receive more special education funding for our disabled kids.

I am trying to follow what you are saying here, and I am trying to be open-minded to what you are saying, but to be honest I don't understand what you are saying, other than diagnosed ASD kids are only diagnosed for funding issues. I can assure you, my three are most definitely ASD - they could come visit you for a few days so you could see for yourself.

I am not trying to be difficult, but as the mother of multiple ASD kids, i find it frustrating to have the perception that people are so dismissive of ASD.


46 posted on 08/11/2005 8:57:39 PM PDT by cas7boys (everybody chooses who they sleep with)
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To: The Westerner

I have met Temple Grandin, and she is an amazing person. I love listening to her lectures. I can only pray my boys do as well as she has.


47 posted on 08/11/2005 9:00:07 PM PDT by cas7boys
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To: Dont Mention the War

Bookmarking for a later read...


48 posted on 08/11/2005 9:02:35 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Dianna

Exactly. It shouldn't be something that is churned through the public education system at all - that is a complete waste of federal funds which should have a more direct route and it should be the physician that has the final say in diagnosis and in accessing the proper funds for this (federal moola, insurance moola, charitable trust grants or whatever) not the social worker or the school psychologist or the teacher. The schools shouldn't be involved with the money at all.


49 posted on 08/11/2005 9:03:18 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Dianna

My children are involved in a study - have been for years. First my older boy, and then when we had the twins we were included in another study. I didn't understand that was what Domestic Church was trying to say - didn't see that at all.


50 posted on 08/11/2005 9:11:33 PM PDT by cas7boys
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"Only 40% of federally mandated special ed money is actually received by schools "


That's one mighty big piece of pie.


51 posted on 08/11/2005 9:20:08 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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That's one mighty big piece of pie.

Not really. The Feds demand that schools provide X services. Then the Feds say...oh yeah, pay for 60% of it yourself.

52 posted on 08/11/2005 9:37:07 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: cas7boys
My children are involved in a study - have been for years. First my older boy, and then when we had the twins we were included in another study.

Have they looked into your genetic background? We have anxiety/depressions in our family through my mother's side. I haven't read anything current, but it did seem to be shown that depressions, etc. were perpetuated through the mother's line.

My son is quite similar to my mother and me. He is our personality quirks magnified by 10.

53 posted on 08/11/2005 9:46:50 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Domestic Church
Exactly. It shouldn't be something that is churned through the public education system at all - that is a complete waste of federal funds which should have a more direct route and it should be the physician that has the final say in diagnosis and in accessing the proper funds for this (federal moola, insurance moola, charitable trust grants or whatever) not the social worker or the school psychologist or the teacher. The schools shouldn't be involved with the money at all.

The public school system is the most efficient way to screen and provide therapy for large numbers of children. Most children pass through that system. It isn't perfect by far. Once the feds decided that schools had to provide services for "disabled" children, the money had to come from somewhere. To sweeten the pot, the Feds tossed some money in the ring.

54 posted on 08/11/2005 9:49:54 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna

I think, for whatever reason, people tend to meet others whose circumstances are similar to their own. My son is severely autistic--does not speak, other than one word here and there to request food or a movie. And I have met a dozen or two other young boys much like him. I have met MORE Asperger's and high-functioning kids. That is much more prevalent. It's almost like the new ADD.


55 posted on 08/11/2005 9:51:24 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (What did Al Franken know, and when did he know it?)
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To: cas7boys

Our son is 12--and he's bigger than his mom now. My wife and I are the support team. It's not always easy, but it's manageable. We love Austin dearly, and we love each other, and it all seems to work out.


56 posted on 08/11/2005 9:53:24 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (What did Al Franken know, and when did he know it?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I have met MORE Asperger's and high-functioning kids. That is much more prevalent. It's almost like the new ADD.

Given that Asperger's wasn't even a diagnosis 20 years ago, AND that we are seeing quite a few children diagnosed with this disorder, doesn't it stand to reason that this IS where the increase in autism is coming from?

I suspect that children, over the years, haven't changed much. We're just referring to many of them by new labels.

57 posted on 08/11/2005 10:15:14 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna

I guess I'm not making myself very clear. Sorry. Let me see if I can do better:

Yes, I agree completely that the OVERALL number of autism cases has spiked dramatically due to rather...liberal diagnosing of Asperger's and high-functioning autism.

But I still think there may be a true, net increase in the incidence of severe, low-functioning, major-impairment autism. That's just a hunch. And that's what I'd like to see some data on. Then we can look to see what may be happening in the environment or the genes of those severely autistic kids (like mine) to see if there isn't something causing it.

Now, maybe they'll find that there really is absolutely NO percentage increase in severe autism over the last 20 years. I'd like to see that proof. I'll believe it when I see it, in incontrovertible form. Until then, I'll continue with my hunch.


58 posted on 08/11/2005 10:31:13 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (What did Al Franken know, and when did he know it?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
But I still think there may be a true, net increase in the incidence of severe, low-functioning, major-impairment autism. That's just a hunch. And that's what I'd like to see some data on. Then we can look to see what may be happening in the environment or the genes of those severely autistic kids (like mine) to see if there isn't something causing it.

I understand. I agree, I've never seen anything that looked directly at just this group of kids. It would be helpful to know, wouldn't it?

59 posted on 08/11/2005 11:03:14 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: OldFriend

I think also they say that progress just stops and it seems like the kids are regressing but in truth they just don't progress like their peers. I recommend the book - which I just got - Children with Emerald Eyes about all kinds of disturbed kids...written in the early 60s I think about emotionally disturbed kids from the 50s. I think you are rigth about the powers that be. My child, at age 4, profoundly deaf, was also diagnosed as PDD-NOS. I went to Dr. Robert Byrd, mentioned in this article - if its the same Dr. Byrd he works with deaf children and told me that dx was boloney for my daughter.


60 posted on 08/12/2005 5:03:10 AM PDT by merry10
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