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Supercuts sued for ban on Spanish
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 12, 2005 | NATASHA KORECKI

Posted on 08/12/2005 6:25:58 AM PDT by jaydubya2

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1 posted on 08/12/2005 6:25:58 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2
"Speaking a language other than English is not only disrespectful, it's also prohibited."

This sign ought to be posted in every business in this country.

2 posted on 08/12/2005 6:30:17 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: jaydubya2

how is telling someone they have to speak english employment discrimination? he's not saying that he's gonna fire you for being hispanic, just for speaking a foriegn language.. which i find to be obnoxiously rude.


3 posted on 08/12/2005 6:32:35 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: jaydubya2
When you know enough Spanish you find out that all too many Hispanic conversations in the workplace are heavily tinged with vile racial and sexual slurs, innuendo and insults.

Rather than ban this stuff, the best bet is for companies such as "Super Cuts" to simply record conversations, have them translated, and use them as a basis for firing the offending employees. Customers who had been subjected to the insults might well be invited in to bring action against the former employees.

There's simply no reason to let non-English speaking workers get away with things English speakers can be punished for doing.

4 posted on 08/12/2005 6:33:30 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: jaydubya2

I have to be honest here, I get annoyed when people speak Spanish around me. Yet, I think it sounds cool when my hair stylist speaks Russian to her friends. Maybe it's because Spanish, to me, is symbolic of a lack of regard for the laws of this country.

I know for a fact that my hairstylist came to this country legally and obtained her full citizenship. I have a habit of doubting the citizenship of anybody speaking Spanish.


5 posted on 08/12/2005 6:36:17 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: absolootezer0

"I think it's not fair," said Gonzalez, who came to the United States 27 years ago from Guanajuato, Mexico. "Business[es] need to understand that we are free to speak our language."

That says it all folks. These third world nomads do not want to assimilate, do not want to speak English, do not want to follow our way of life. How many times do I have to repeat it??????? SHIP THEM HOME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soon enough, idiots on FR will be defending these people like always.


6 posted on 08/12/2005 6:36:55 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: muawiyah

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 08/12/2005 6:38:41 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: T.Smith

A favorite band of mine back in the day was S.O.D. They had a best selling record"

S.O.D. - "Speak English or Die"


8 posted on 08/12/2005 6:40:51 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1

Well, I guess I am an idiot then...I think that is just about the dumbest business policy I have ever heard of...the idea is to attract as many customers as possible...not alienate them by banning their language...

I understand wanting to have employees speak a language that the customers speak, and that may be what is going on in the posted story...

But posting a sign where customers could read that Spanish is banned is downright bad business...in my humble opinion.


9 posted on 08/12/2005 6:42:22 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: absolootezer0
Yes, here is Northern CA it is the vietnamese and other asian residents who do this. It is very rude to speak a foreign language and then laugh like hell while looking at a customer!

I see no reason why an employer can't have this rule. They own the business let them run it their way. If the people working there don't like it they can always quit.

BTW, I think a federal law should be passed to prevent anyone who doesn't speak fluid english to work at a drive through window. Trying to understand an accent over the intercom is almost impossible and that goes for phone calls also.

10 posted on 08/12/2005 6:43:39 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: jaydubya2

If I were the employer, I'd mandate English as a prerequisite for hiring. Period. And in MY place of business, the only time another language would be acceptable would be IF A CUSTOMER initiated the conversation.

Foreign language skills are handy sometimes. Only a fool lacks the ability or refuses to distinguish those times.


11 posted on 08/12/2005 6:43:42 AM PDT by azhenfud (This tag line is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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To: muawiyah
When you know enough Spanish you find out that all too many Hispanic conversations in the workplace are heavily tinged with vile racial and sexual slurs, innuendo and insults.

Mrs. Reb can vouch for that. She speaks accentless English and does not appear Hispanic, but is actually a native Spanish speaker. Most of the hibaros talking trash and filth in Spanish in front of her do not find out she understands them until she chews them out for being such pigs.

12 posted on 08/12/2005 6:45:37 AM PDT by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: T.Smith

The question is, is your hairdresser hot?


13 posted on 08/12/2005 6:45:41 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: azhenfud

That's not a bad policy...it should be all about what the customer wants...I own some apartment buildings and had my lease translated into Spanish...I increased occupancy by 4%...I am now over 96% on all three properties...CHA CHING!

That was well worth the $1000 I paid the translator.


14 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:32 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: jaydubya2

The immigrant Spanish are the first significant group coming to Americato who largely refuse to learn English and thus are fast becoming the first group to destroy opportunities for their non-English fluent children.


15 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:33 AM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: Tulane

There should not even be the need for a sign. It is obvious that they verbally asked these people to cut the nonsense and they ignored it, then they put up the sign.

We are in America. Speak English, that is the language. Not Spanish.

I do collection work for small businesses. You have no idea how badly small businesses get screwed when they do business with people who don't speak English. I have gotten to the point where I tell my clients almost not to do business with these people or at least hire full time staff conversant in these languages. Its kind of insane when you consider that English is the language of business worldwide, but no in many of our cities where Spanglish is more and more common.


16 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:51 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: proudofthesouth
"Speaking a language other than English is not only disrespectful, it's also prohibited."

This sign ought to be posted in every business in this country.

The sign should actually read:

"To believe that English is the only language spoken in the United States is shortsighted and misinformed."

Why is bilingualism and the ability to speak another language considered to be offensive anyway? This nation is made up of immigrants. We all come with our traditions and our cultures. If you do not believe that to be true,go to many areas in this country and you will find so called "true" Americans still eating spaghetti, kielbasa, gyros, and the like. I assure you that there is nothing American about them.

Just because someone chooses to hold on to their culture and their language does not make them less American. Our diversity is what makes us great.
17 posted on 08/12/2005 6:47:14 AM PDT by magnieye (American and Cuban....and proud of both....)
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To: muawiyah

I think you hit the nail on the head. As managers we are often confronted with such types of harrassment, yet if they are speaking a foreign language we're expect to realize what's going on! Enough is enough, I am not learning spanish to do my job, nor any other foreign language! When one moves out into the world of business, sales, and service there are certain things one is expected to do. And not being rude to other co-workers is one of them. Speaking a foreign tongue has the ability to destroy a team, rather than encourage it to build, work together, etc. My parents had to learn english to make it here, so should they. From a management standpoint there is nothing beneficial that comes from employees practice of speaking foreign languages at work(unless it is an essential function of the job).


18 posted on 08/12/2005 6:47:51 AM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: Tulane

All about the dollar. Wait till these people skip out on you and you try to collect. Good luck.


19 posted on 08/12/2005 6:48:47 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: squirt-gun

The English were the first to come here and refuse to learn the "native" language.


20 posted on 08/12/2005 6:49:12 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Tulane
I fell uncomfortable anytime someone speaks another language around me.

I think as the boss I have the right to make rules which prohibit such things on my property.

If they want to leave the premises... they can speak whatever language they want.
21 posted on 08/12/2005 6:49:42 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: magnieye

If you can not understand the difference between holding on to one's culture and refusing to assimilate, you have absolutely no concept of what this country's history or character are all about.


22 posted on 08/12/2005 6:50:06 AM PDT by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: magnieye

many areas in this country and you will find so called "true" Americans still eating spaghetti, kielbasa, gyros, and SPEAKING ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 08/12/2005 6:51:13 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1

Trust me...I know what its like dealing with Spanish customers...I had my lease translated into Spanish...it has really helped me attract more tenants and has cut down on the confusion...

I also had a linguist translate/draft "cheat cards" for our maintanence guys...They can give a card to a tenant who points to the corresponding "problem picture" (like a toilet) so our fix-it people can understand what the problem is. Works great.


24 posted on 08/12/2005 6:51:42 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Tulane

If a company policy is not illegal, then it is the company's right to dictate whatever policy they wish. If you don't agree, quit. As with so much of our current society, the tail wags the dog. I'm fed up with employee 'rights'. The employee is supposed to do the employer's bidding, not the other way around.


25 posted on 08/12/2005 6:52:13 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: muawiyah

Let's play that card now right????

Why not give back Texas, CA, and AZ???????????????


26 posted on 08/12/2005 6:52:46 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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Lol...I've been in this business long enogh to have people skip...Skippers are of all races...trust me...some of my best tenants are BLACK MUSLIMS...they keep the place clean, they don't drink alcohol...and they pay on the first...


27 posted on 08/12/2005 6:53:19 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: calex59

i'll walk out of any asian restaurant where they openly speak other languages in front of customers. my favourite place apparently has policy that it is english only at front of house. i actually heard one of the counter girls request that a customer speak english for the comfort of the other customers (she got a big tip that day)


28 posted on 08/12/2005 6:53:25 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: magnieye
Hey, folks who are bilingual or nearly bilingual can tell you that night and day they hear a distinct difference between what is said in English and what is said in Spanish IN THE WORKPLACE.

There's no reason the other employees, or the customers, need be exposed to such abusive comments, and the easiest way to ENFORCE a standard IN THE WORKPLACE is to limit speech to a common tongue also spoken by the owner or supervisor.

If these guys want to go home and speak to their families in the same manner, they are welcome to do so, but they have got to keep it OUT OF THE WORKPLACE.

Or, alternatively, they can go back wherever it was they came from and adhere to a different standard.

You really cannot defend the right of someone to heap abuse on a customer simply because the customer doesn't understand the employee's language.

29 posted on 08/12/2005 6:54:32 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Right Brother

Definitely don't disagree...that said...if I could attract more customers by having Spanish speaking employees, I would want the language in my office...I would not want my employees to make English speaking customers feel uncomfortable.


30 posted on 08/12/2005 6:55:20 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Texas_Conservative2

Agree...


31 posted on 08/12/2005 6:56:23 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: absolootezer0

Asians, to me, are model citizens. Very humble, very accomodating, very respectful, very eager to fit in and get along with people, and rarely rarely ever commit violent crimes.

They should be the model, not the trash that is infesting our country and demanding we change for them.


32 posted on 08/12/2005 6:56:39 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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Naw ~ let's give back Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

The King of Spain had a lot of territory.

That ought to leave lots and lots of room for Latinos, and, in fairness, they could then evacuate the Southwest~!

33 posted on 08/12/2005 6:57:33 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: squirt-gun

Put two Spanish speakers together, even if they were both born in the US, and they jabber away in Spanish. It's fine in private, but at work?


34 posted on 08/12/2005 6:58:12 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.)
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To: muawiyah

excellent!


35 posted on 08/12/2005 6:58:51 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: chris1

They Asian kids at my daugter's school have parents who can barely speak English, but their kids speak and write English better than I do...I read somewhere that the average white parent spend 30 minutes a night working with kids on homework, the average blak/hispanic parent spend 10 minutes and the average Asian parent spends 2 hours...


36 posted on 08/12/2005 6:59:18 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Barney Gumble

The only time Spanish is appropriately used as the "first" language at work is in Puerto Rico.


37 posted on 08/12/2005 7:00:02 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: jaydubya2

I've always avoided SuperCuts because the stylists are so often beginners..Now, to heck with what my hair looks like..Suer Cuts here I come!

They may not be hair pros..but they are Pro-United States


38 posted on 08/12/2005 7:00:38 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Illegals should be Caught and Deported; not Released and Supported!)
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To: magnieye
Just because someone chooses to hold on to their culture and their language does not make them less American. Our diversity is what makes us great.

The inability to communicate with one another is what divides us.

See how you are able to communicate on FR? If you typed in Arabic no one would understand. If one wishes to be American, one must learn English, if one change America to be like them, one might as well have stayed in their native country.

39 posted on 08/12/2005 7:01:00 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: chris1

I speak English just fine. Probably better than my Spanish.

I can guarantee you though that I make more moeny at my chosen profession because I speak both languages.

My family and I consider ourselves to be American, that does not take away from the fact that we are also Cuban. There isn't a problem with being both.

BTW...I work for a Japanese company where the Japanese employees speak Japanese between them. It doesn't offend me, freak me out, or think that they are talking about me. I accept it and move on.

Get over it. We are different and there is nothing wrong with that.


40 posted on 08/12/2005 7:01:25 AM PDT by magnieye (American and Cuban....and proud of both....)
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To: chris1
Agreed.

Sadly, I think this whole PC movement has gone waaaay tooooo far, and now we are seeing the results. With many thanks to the left, and groups such as the ACLU, we have seen the rights of American citizens eroded. Hopefully, at some point, the American public will realize the harm that being 'politically correct' has done to this country...but I'm not holding my breath.
41 posted on 08/12/2005 7:01:35 AM PDT by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: chris1

S.O.D. actually stands for Stormtroopers Of Death. They did have a song, though, called Speak English or Die.


42 posted on 08/12/2005 7:02:05 AM PDT by T.Smith
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Thank you, I knew that since I was 12.

"The inability to communicate with one another is what divides us."

No. These people REFUSE to communicate in English. They are not unable, they REFUSE!!!!!!!!


43 posted on 08/12/2005 7:05:49 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: magnieye

Welcome to Free Republic. I hope you enjoyed your stay.


English is America's language. All my ancestors who came over had to learn it. Every other European backgrounded person I've met, their ancestors had to learn it.

There was no movement to accept Italian, German, Polish, Norwegian, or Finnish. They had to learn English, there's no reason for current immigrants to not learn English


44 posted on 08/12/2005 7:06:24 AM PDT by GopherGOPer
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To: Tulane

So, would you be opposed to a business posting a message stating they sell only American made products?

English IS and will be the official language of the United States, if we wish to remain united. There'd be a lot more effort on the part of Hispanics to assimilate into American culture if there were much less accomodation.


45 posted on 08/12/2005 7:06:28 AM PDT by azhenfud (This tag line is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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To: misterrob

Sadly, no. She's no hairy chested Siberian tree trunk, but she's not all that hot either.


46 posted on 08/12/2005 7:07:19 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: magnieye

"That does not take away from the fact that we are also Cuban."

Wrong. You are either American or you are Cuban, not both. You may be American, and have Cuban heritage, but unless you have dual citizenship, you are one or the other.


47 posted on 08/12/2005 7:07:22 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: azhenfud

Unless we are committed to make these people assimilate or GO THE F%^&& BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM, we will be very divided and balkanized.


48 posted on 08/12/2005 7:09:27 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: magnieye

I disagree with you. When I lived in Germany I had to learn to speak and read German. If people wish to speak in their cultural language (my parents spoke German, Russian and English) at home or in private conversations amongst themselves - thats fine. But our forefathers spoke ENGLISH. Our Constitution was written in ENGLISH. Signs in Spanish are repulsive to me. Wake up - we've been invaded!


49 posted on 08/12/2005 7:11:51 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: magnieye
It doesn't offend me, freak me out, or think that they are talking about me. I accept it and move on.

Sorry I can't accept it. You can say you're not offended, but I am very offended by their use of language as a discriminatory tactic to avoid being in compliance with many basic work regulations, such as the many types of harassment banned in the workplace. Why can't I get over it? Cause as a manager I am supposed to enforce those nondiscrimination policies. English is the common language of the business world and again anything else come across appearing as discrimination. I've seen examples go both ways and if I have to crack down on English speakers taking advantage of someone who doesn't understand the innuendo...so should I crack down on foreign speakers gathered in the corner of a break-room speaking in foreign tongue and leering at the secretary who comes in to get a cup of coffee. They're contributing to a hostile work place and that is just as much against the law for them as it is for my English speaking employees. Get it.

50 posted on 08/12/2005 7:14:25 AM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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