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Supercuts sued for ban on Spanish
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 12, 2005 | NATASHA KORECKI

Posted on 08/12/2005 6:25:58 AM PDT by jaydubya2

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To: EBH

Looks good to me.


101 posted on 08/12/2005 8:28:51 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Iron Matron
Super Cuts here I come!

I'm with you. Of course, I'm not too worried about the lack of experience of the stylists. A 6 guard on top and a 2 on the sides is hard to mess up too badly.

102 posted on 08/12/2005 8:35:15 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: jaydubya2; All

So the lawsuit has a little bit of truth to it:

"Hirsch said there is a written policy limiting language other than English.

"The goal of the policy was to speak essentially whatever language you chose in the lunchroom or on breaks, when you're not servicing customers," Hirsch said."

This was buried at the end of the article.

But, it appears these women are taking it too far and saying there was a blanket ban.

There is not. If you are on break talking to another employee, you can speak Spanish.

But, when you are with customers, you need to speak English.

Seems reasonable to me.


103 posted on 08/12/2005 8:35:25 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: muawiyah
I think you came to FreeRepublic by mistake. I believe this is where you meant to go... www.nclr.org
104 posted on 08/12/2005 8:37:01 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: azhenfud

There is NO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE UNITED STATES.

I think English should be it, but that effort has failed in the past.

We can give it a try when Bush is out of office if we still have enough Republicans around in Congress.


105 posted on 08/12/2005 8:39:29 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Tulane

Well, all that, and New York has always been interested in ONE MONEY!


106 posted on 08/12/2005 8:39:42 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: jaydubya2

Wish I'd taken a picture to prove it:

Hospital waiting room sign in English and Spanish, both telling how the hospital will treat you regardless of race, religion, age, etc. The only difference: The Spanish version had an extra sentence about what number to call if you feel you've been discriminated against.


107 posted on 08/12/2005 8:39:51 AM PDT by P.O.E. (.)
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To: Tulane

In response to your #99

I repeat what I said earlier, "The inability to communicate with one another is what divides us".

United we Stand, Divided we Fall. I want every immigrant that comes to America to be proud to be an American. "Melting Pot" describes, to me, a conglomeration of many cultures who come together to be one.

You know, I'm trying to figure this out in my mind, I see "Chinatown" in San Francisco and love it. Am I racist? I certainly never thought so, I believe God made man in many colors and don't care what color a person is born under.

I think my resentment of speaking Spanish is because I have to "dial 2" for Spanish and the fact that I feel America should take immigrants from many countries and cultures around the world and we all together will make Americans. What we are getting from Mexico is not "immigration", it is "invasion" with the expectation that we must assimilate into their culture, not the other way around.


108 posted on 08/12/2005 8:41:27 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: cloud8

The fact is that many of these people speak Spanish in front of many non-spanish speaking people. Of course people are free to speak what they want, but have these people ever heard of "manners"????????? Its just rude, but they don't care one wit, as the quotes in the article clearly show.


109 posted on 08/12/2005 8:45:19 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: magnieye

What gets stronger by breaking it up? We are a single culture multi-ethnic culture. What you are advocating is anarchy, which is a step toward socialism or communism.


110 posted on 08/12/2005 8:48:04 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: magnieye
Why are we so afraid of other cultures ?

We aren't. We are just aware that WE have the GREATEST culture in the world and we want to preserve it.

We don't appreciate being invaded, in violation of our laws, by hordes of immigrants who arrogantly assume they have no obligation to speak English in public places, while they reap the benefits of OUR English-speaking culture...

111 posted on 08/12/2005 8:49:10 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: muawiyah

Bingo!


112 posted on 08/12/2005 8:50:01 AM PDT by hershey
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To: absolootezer0
Pretty interesting I can imange that it makes you feel uncomfortable. Have you ever travled overseas?

I have noticed that when I go to a store or diner and greet the folks there in their native language (Spanish, Korean, Russian, German or whatever) and follow up with a 'may I have a seat for two' - they always reply in English and I never hear them use anything but English around me.

Maybe it's just the places I go to eat.

YMMV
113 posted on 08/12/2005 8:50:23 AM PDT by ASOC (Insert clever tagline here: _______)
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To: Tulane

I am from the Bronx. Even in the "Italian-American" area, very very few people speak Italian.

However, I cannot say the same of almost every other part of the Bronx where English is like a fourth language. This is hardly a good thing.


114 posted on 08/12/2005 8:51:11 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: ozarkgirl

Not going to argue that some people move here with the expectation that the country should change for them. My grandmother got ticked off at my father for marrying an "American" as opposed to a "Russian." I think the first generation of immigrants clings to the old country much more than the kids do...

As for pressing "2" for Spanish...I think these types of business responses are for that first generation/wave of immigrants...the ones that have a hard time learning a new language...To me, it's no big deal.

If you go to an ATM in London, there are prompts in several languages...yet London and the UK are doing just fine (save a few Muslim malcontents, and earlier a few Irish malcontents).

In the end, immigrants to this country will assimilate. Why? Because here they will have a chance to succeed and take part in public life (and many of them will do just that).


115 posted on 08/12/2005 8:54:42 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: chris1

Right on!

Close the darn borders !!


116 posted on 08/12/2005 8:55:19 AM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (Close the borders.....)
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To: chris1

Believe me...the Italian neighborhoods were not speaking mostly English in the 20s and 30s...give the hispancis a couple generations...they'll speak English...it happens every time.


117 posted on 08/12/2005 8:55:55 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: ASOC

To your #113

That is because they are being polite, they are kindly speaking to your in your language as a consideration (since you're in their country that's certainly not a requirement, just a kind consideration).

If you chose to live in their country, and become a citizen of their nation, I would absolutely expect you to learn their language and customs and not expect them to adapt to yours.


118 posted on 08/12/2005 8:56:12 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: jaydubya2

I do have to admit I like working where I work, because you have to be an American citizen to work here....


119 posted on 08/12/2005 8:56:30 AM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (Close the borders.....)
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To: ASOC

never travelled overseas, don't plan on it. speak english, and that's enough. if i go over seas, it'll be to an english speaking country.
altho i could make it in a number of countries just fine, i can say the three important phrases in a couple languages:
where the toilet?
can i have a beer?
wanna skronk?


120 posted on 08/12/2005 8:56:46 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: ozarkgirl

How many hispanic kids do you know that don't want to learn English? Trust me...give it a generation...they'll learn. It's always the first wave that takes awile (or never gets it).


121 posted on 08/12/2005 8:59:18 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Tulane

I come across many hispanics who have been here for decades yet have made no attempt to learn English. Italians who are like that are no better, or is anyone else.

Additionally, Italians never ever demanded that America change its ways and customs to accomodate them. You simply cannot say the same for immigrants of today coming from South of the Border.

If I were to go to France, I don't believe everyone there should accomodate me. My expectation is that I accomodate their ways.


122 posted on 08/12/2005 8:59:57 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1

Again, you are talking about hispanics who came "here" from "there." It may have been several years ago...to them, if they grew up there, it was yesterday.

Its the kids who assimilate...they are the ones that grow up baseball Yankees fans (not soccer Aztecs fans). They are the ones that learn the language...trust me...it happened with the Germans, the Italians, Russians, Ukes, Poles, and the Welsh...it will most definitely happen with the hispanics...


123 posted on 08/12/2005 9:03:12 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: ozarkgirl
it's RUDE to speak other than English in public unless you are a tourist

I don't agree with that at all. Why would it be rude for two people on the street to conduct their conversation in Japanese, for example?

124 posted on 08/12/2005 9:05:54 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Tulane

The point is that if we weaken the English language by making everything in Spanish or other languages, there is less of a need for these people to assimilate. Voting, Driver's License Tests, etc etc, it makes it too easy not to have to assimilate.

Immigrants in the past had to go on the fast track because all these cruches were non existent, which was a good thing.


125 posted on 08/12/2005 9:06:05 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: jaydubya2
The federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which joined in the lawsuit, argues that such a ban is a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that prohibits employment discrimination based on national origin

Isn't it just special that an act which purported to just end discrimination against Southern Blacks is now being used to create a second official language in our nation, for the benefit of people who for the most part are not even citizens.

126 posted on 08/12/2005 9:06:49 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Modernman

I think this applies to business settings.


127 posted on 08/12/2005 9:07:47 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: montag813

No kidding. We are lowering our standards to accomodate those who are hear to colonize not assimilate.

The sooner people realize that the sooner they will stop arguing in favor of nonsense that weakens our country.


128 posted on 08/12/2005 9:09:26 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: calex59
They own the business let them run it their way.

Hahahaha!!!.....I wonder if smoking is "allowed". Nobody "owns" a business, just like no one "owns" their house. Welcome to the USSA.

FMCDH(BITS)

129 posted on 08/12/2005 9:09:57 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: chris1

I disagree...in the 20s and 30s, if you lived in the area of Philly that my grandparents lived, everybody spoke Russian...there was little need to learn English for the day to day grind...still all the kids learned English.

That stated, I agree with you, the Spanish kids should be taught English in the schools...that is a must. And I think the "official" language should be English, and that this should be codified (which, to my knowledge, it currently is not).


130 posted on 08/12/2005 9:09:58 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Modernman

Nope, but it would be nice to have someone you could understand when you order a burger, wouldn't it:)


131 posted on 08/12/2005 9:10:16 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: nothingnew

What a joke we have become.


132 posted on 08/12/2005 9:10:30 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1; ozarkgirl
I think this applies to business settings.

Like I said, in such a setting, it should be up to the employer to set the rules.

I dn't know if ozarkgirl meant that it was rude to use a language other than English anywhere in public.

133 posted on 08/12/2005 9:10:42 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: calex59
Nope, but it would be nice to have someone you could understand when you order a burger, wouldn't it:)

Well, to be fair, most of the native-born Americans who do this job could use some remedial training in the English language.

134 posted on 08/12/2005 9:12:27 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Tulane

I think you made my point. Immigrants of yesterday were very different than the immigrant of today.

Although my ancestors came from Italy, I consider myself American 100%. I have never referred to Italy as "my country" . I am sure you have heard this phrase before and understand what I am saying. My allegiance is to the USA only, not Italy, not anyone or anywhere else. You know I am correct when I say the same cannot be said of many many of the newer immigrants.


135 posted on 08/12/2005 9:13:32 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: jaydubya2
IF BUSH DOES NOT ORDER THE EEOC TO DROP THE CASE THAN HE IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE. Consider this a litmus test. The Civil Rights Act's reference to national origin does not mean you can avoid learning English when you move from that origion to America. Any EEOC interpretation otherwise is a vast overstepping of bounds and they must be ordered to back off or face disciplinary action.

Why do we elect Republicans or so-called Conservatives when the same Marxist apparatchiks just keep their jobs year after year and policies never move even an inch to the right?

136 posted on 08/12/2005 9:14:41 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

So far this term, GWB is definately not a conservative. So don't expect much.


137 posted on 08/12/2005 9:16:07 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1
What a joke we have become.

No kidding...a real bad joke.

I have updated my FMCDH (From My Cold Dead Hands) sign-off with the addition of (BITS).....Blood In The Streets, which I foresee coming soon, due to the enormous increase of the Marxist progressive movement being shoved down the throat of this failing REPUBLIC through the Judicial tyranny of fiat law, the passing of unconstitutional laws by the Legislative and Executive branches of our government and the enormous tax burden placed upon the average American to support unconstitutional programs put forth by Marxist ideology.

I do not advocate revolution. I only think of what I foresee.

FMCDH(BITS)

138 posted on 08/12/2005 9:16:30 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: chris1

No, you are making my point...

To clairify:

Yesterday's **FIRST WAVE** immigrants thought of their home country as their first country. Hence the Irish Catholic church a block down the street from the Italian Catholic Church. Their children and descendants (you) assimilated much more easily.

Today's **First Wave** immigrants are they same as yesterdays. The still think of the motherland as their real country. Their kids, like the others will think of the US as their country (it is where they were born, and they will feel comfortable here). It is they way it works. I see it with my residents and I am sure of it.


139 posted on 08/12/2005 9:18:06 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: nothingnew

Um...what?


140 posted on 08/12/2005 9:20:28 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: jaydubya2
CAIR Chicago - Board Member

Kamran Memon is a civil rights attorney practicing in Chicago. He is also a member of the National Employment Lawyers Association.

He handles cases involving discrimination by employers against employees, and discrimination by businesses against customers. He has also handled cases involving discrimination by police against individuals, and discrimination by schools against students. He has represented Muslim victims of discrimination before and after 9/11. He is a founder of the Muslim Bar Association of Chicago, and a member of the National Association of Muslim Lawyers. He graduated from the University of Chicago Law School in 1997.

141 posted on 08/12/2005 9:25:09 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Modernman
I don't agree with that at all. Why would it be rude for two people on the street to conduct their conversation in Japanese, for example?

That would a "private" not public conversation. What I mean, for instance, I was at the the hot tub at an apartment complex the other day, there were these two young girls (I think are from Korea, I think are here on student visa, i.e. visitors). They both speak English as evidenced by the one girl speaking to us and we speaking to her, the other girl said about one sentence in perfect English and the rest of the time, only spoke to the other girl in Korean while the rest of us included the polite, young lady in our conversations. We did not however, include the other young lady. She was being rude by not speaking English (no telling what she was saying about us). She deliberately spoke her foreign language in full knowledge that no one else could understand her. That is what I mean by "rude".

142 posted on 08/12/2005 9:25:44 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: kcvl

U of C is one hell of a law school.


143 posted on 08/12/2005 9:26:49 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: magnieye
Diversity is morally neutral.

The Balkans have diversity; where the greatness there?

144 posted on 08/12/2005 9:26:54 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

Thankfully, we are not the Balkans. The rights granted to everyone under our Constitution will (hopefully) keep this place from becoming like it.


145 posted on 08/12/2005 9:29:29 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Tulane
Um...what?

Read it again.

The marxist activism at work in our "hallowed halls" is evident. Has been for many years.

Witness the USSC decision in Kelo..."eminent domain" for those of you from who knows where.

This country, this Republic, moves further and further from the Constitution day by day, to a total government control of the simplest decisions which should be our own to make.

Sit back and think about it.

FMCDH(BITS)

146 posted on 08/12/2005 9:32:27 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: ozarkgirl
it's RUDE to speak other than English in public unless you are a tourist

Is it rude to listen to other people's conversations that aren't meant for you? If they aren't speaking to you, why should you even care, or for that matter, why would you even notice what language they were speaking in? Aren't we the site that pillories liberals for taking offense where none was intended or offered?
147 posted on 08/12/2005 9:42:55 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Tulane
But note: from a business perspective it is foolish, indeed stupid, to not understand where a large portion of your customers might come from.....

Yes..True!....But you miss a salient point of this thred...Which is...That Immigrant Spanish children are placed at a tremendous and largely permanent disadvantage by having their parents decide for them that it is not important to learn English as their prime language......as every other major immigrant group has done before them.

148 posted on 08/12/2005 9:44:37 AM PDT by squirt-gun
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To: squirt-gun

Worng, wrong, wrong...I have never stated Hispanic kids shouldn't learn English...they absolutely should, and most Hispanics I know, agree with this.

Most **First Wave*** Immigrants have a hard time assimilating...most of their kids, assimilate quickly...that is true for today's immigrants and for yesterday's.


149 posted on 08/12/2005 9:50:03 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: rwfromkansas
So the lawsuit has a little bit of truth to it:

"Hirsch said there is a written policy limiting language other than English.

"The goal of the policy was to speak essentially whatever language you chose in the lunchroom or on breaks, when you're not servicing customers," Hirsch said."

This was buried at the end of the article.

But, it appears these women are taking it too far and saying there was a blanket ban.

There is not. If you are on break talking to another employee, you can speak Spanish.

But, when you are with customers, you need to speak English.

Seems reasonable to me.

Me too. Seems like these two women are trying to hit the lawsuit lottery.

150 posted on 08/12/2005 9:51:51 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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