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Russia’s chief rabbi predicts the imminent coming of a Messiah
Interfax ^ | 09 August 2005

Posted on 08/12/2005 9:49:49 AM PDT by jb6

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To: familyop; Alexander Rubin

And I must second these statements. As ever, well said.


51 posted on 08/12/2005 12:57:31 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: GestehenSieUndGibtAuf

Well, then I must face the consequences. Can you do any better? Can you truly say you know the will of G-d better than I do?

Man can not presume to know the mind of the Lord, nor his essence.

Although, the bell would be nice. "DING! Congratulations. Your...mitzvot and good deeds quotient is now completed...Please prepare for heaven. Thank you, and have a nice eternity."


52 posted on 08/12/2005 1:10:22 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: familyop

Thank you. I strive to be the best man I can, and most of the time, I report mediocre success! Huzzah for adequacy! ;)


53 posted on 08/12/2005 1:12:26 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin; timsbella; Alouette
Christians and Jews mustn't quibble, we must hold together.

AMEN!!! I am a Christian Zionist who agrees with this, and I believe that we should all be allowed to practice our beliefs without being FORCED to embrace anyone else's beliefs. Forced beliefs doesn't equal FREEDOM! When the Messiah comes, He will straighten it all out! :-) Alexander, your answers on here have been beautiful. Thank you for your compassion for the MUSLIM Christian ZEALOTS that will sometimes try to FORCE our beliefs upon you. And pray for them. IF it is by FORCE then it isn't by FREEDOM/LIFE/and LOVE, and therefore it isn't by G-d. :-)

54 posted on 08/12/2005 1:23:32 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: Reborn

No problem. They're good people, and when you consider it, they really haven't done anything evil to me or others, and in fact, their intentions are good, and born out of a love of G-d; thus, it's my responsibility to be compassionate, to allow them the freedom of their beliefs,

The way I figure it, I am responsible for myself ultimately. Thus, my duty is to control my actions, not theirs, unless it affects others negatively. Which I don't believe it does. It might be irritating, but not harmful.

Now, if they are Islamofascist terrorists (and I do believe good Muslims exist, for the record, although I would caution that the Koran has some -seriously- disturbing passages and messages) and seek to destroy others, then it is all of our duty to stop them, any way we can, from destroying G-d's earth.


55 posted on 08/12/2005 1:41:12 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: familyop
Thanks familyop - I learned something today. I still feel it is more proper to write God and avoid the perception that one is ashamed to spell or say "God". That's just me, though.

Again, thanks for the link, my friend.

56 posted on 08/12/2005 1:44:27 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: patriot_wes; Lijahsbubbe; Alouette; dennisw; Zionist Conspirator; Yehuda; bearsgirl90
Dan 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.....

>>>This was from the decree of Artaxerxes (Mar. 14, 445BC) in the book of Nehemiah (chapt 2) 173,880 days later and right on time Yeshua the Messiah rode into Jerusalem on the foal of an ass being proclaimed "King".<<<

Atraxerxes didn't dispatch angels. YHVH does. And, Yahshua announced his arrival and purpose in Luke chapter 4, which had nothing to do with a donkey ride, but everything to do with showing up on time, as per Nehemiah chapter ONE.

Daniel 9:23-25

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel's prayer in chapter 9 = Selichot, like here:

Mass Prayer Against Expulsion at Foot of Holy Temple Mount
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1460065/posts

Cf. Nehemiah 1:1-6

***

If anything is indicative of the timing of the Messiah's arrival, it'll be in the same pattern as set forth in Daniel 9, timed from the Selichot (forgiveness) prayers, or specifically as in Nehemiah's case (as explained in Dan 9:25), the prayers for the restoration of Jerusalem.

If Elijah is expected to return (regardless of whether one considers that a past event with John the Baptist, and/or a future appearance at Pesach), then so could Messiah. Whichever, it seems prudent to be on the lookout for events such as a

Mass Prayer Rally Against Expulsion Fills Jerusalem´s Old City

rather than what some Christian authors say. If they are unable to perceive from their own Scripture (the NT) that YHVH is one and not a man (who must necessarily worship himself if he is YHVH), then I am going to avoid anything they peddle.

Daniel 9:1-3

1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet (see below), that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:


Jeremiah 29:10-13

10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.


Jewish worshippers gather during a prayer service at the Western Wall in the Old City of Jerusalem, Wednesday, Aug. 10, 2005. Tens of thousands of opponents of Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, scheduled to start on Aug. 17, gathered for a prayer service at the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews are permitted to pray. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

Nehemiah 1:1-6

1 The words of Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah. And it came to pass in the month Chisleu, in the twentieth year, as I was in Shushan the palace,
2 That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem.
3 And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
4 And it came to pass, when I heard these words, that I sat down and wept, and mourned certain days, and fasted, and prayed before the God of heaven,
5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
6 Let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father's house have sinned.

57 posted on 08/12/2005 1:45:45 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Wisely investing in quality tin foil wardrobe basics since 1998)
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To: Alexander Rubin
What kind of a man would I be if I left my own faith and that of my fathers, and the faith of the Patriarchs, Moses, the Judges, the Prophets, the Kings and Jesus himself. ;) My duty to carry on tradition.

Amen!

58 posted on 08/12/2005 1:52:23 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: GestehenSieUndGibtAuf
"What if your obedience to his laws is not good enough? Do have to obey the laws 10%,30%,70% or 90% what is enough and how do you know when you have been obedient enough?"

Alexander Rubin can answer that better than I can. But IMO, a Christian cannot answer that for himself with regard to the topic of variations between Christian and Jewish beliefs adequately without self-study of quite a few original references (including at least several different bible translations).

I am not Jewish but am involved in the lifetime study of Christianity and Judaism (and in my own conversion). The study started with the New Testament. See, for example, the word errors in Hebrews 9:7 (King James), then read Hebrews 9:7-12.

Now look at the original Greek text for the word agnoema. ...unintentional sins. There were many other questions that I sought to find the answers to--for example, where Jesus started reciting laws to a man who asked him as to how to get to heaven. And there has been (and will be) much, much more study.

I've studied many of the documents and comments of the Church (Roman Catholic Church) "fathers."

Again, I've not even begun to be qualified to speak for Jews (much less rabbis). But the best that I can tell, so far, in Jewish scriptures (not only referring to "writings" here), redemption comes historically from sacrifice for sin (unintentional sins), repentance (the only way after intentional sins) and charity. G-d will determine as to who has done enough to have a place in the world to come (see disclaimer about me not having begun any formal study of Judaism), but people of any of several religions can possibly do it. Hopefully, some Jewish friends will correct/help me with that--especially on "sacrifice," as my study has far to go.

Trying to do what is righteous and studying much to find out seems to be a step in the right direction (which many Christian fundamentalists also believe to be true). ...enormous amount of study yet for me to learn more about all of that, but I want to find the truth for sure.

...hope that helps, with my past Christian insight (former Southern Baptist) and all. And BTW, I'm very much a believer and very conservative. ...just changing.
59 posted on 08/12/2005 1:53:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: newfreep

You're very welcome!


60 posted on 08/12/2005 1:56:45 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Tens of thousands of opponents of Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, scheduled to start on Aug. 17,

Is it "only a coincidence" this happens to fall right around Tisha B'Av?
I think not.
61 posted on 08/12/2005 2:06:45 PM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: OB1kNOb

And you infer from that what?

I'm sure your have the decoder ring and the rabbi does not?

Just want to know and I mean not disrespect.


62 posted on 08/12/2005 2:15:46 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: jb6; Salem; F15Eagle; GarySpFc; Barnacle; potlatch; devolve

PINGS


63 posted on 08/12/2005 2:22:38 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Alexander Rubin
"If you don't mind my asking, how would accepting Jesus as Messiah betray your faith?

Additionally, what do you see as the scriptural conditions for the arrival of the messiah?
"

I'm not really qualified to answer for others, PetroniusMaximus, but the following should help to answer that question. Compare them with your own Bible, if you like.

From Judaica Press Complete Tanach [Apologies to Jewish friends who would rather see another version cited, but the only other one that I know of is down for the coming day. And BTW, it's still early afternoon where I am. And everyone, have a good weekend!]

Thanks to chabad.org

Please don't deface or discard any of the content of the pages behind the following links.

Yeshayahu - Chapter 2 [Isaiah 2 - See 1-3]
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=15933

Yeshayahu - Chapter 11
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=15942

Yeshayahu - Chapter 42
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=15973

Yirmiyahu [Jeremiah] - Chapter 23
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16020

Yirmiyahu - Chapter 30
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16027

Yirmiyahu - Chapter 33
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16030

Yirmiyahu - Chapter 48
[See 47] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16045

Yirmiyahu - Chapter 49
[See 39] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16046

Yechezkiel [Ezekiel] - Chapter 38
[See 16] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16136

Hoshea [Hosea] - Chapter 4
[See 4 and 5] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16158

Michah [Micah] - Chapter 4
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16190

Tzefaniah [Zephaniah] - Chapter 3
[See 9] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16202

Zechariah - Chapter 14
[See 9] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16218

Daniel - Chapter 10
[See 14] http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16493
64 posted on 08/12/2005 2:31:49 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: WHBates
"And you infer from that what? I'm sure your have the decoder ring and the rabbi does not? Just want to know and I mean not disrespect."

Friend, you say I have the decoder ring and then you try to tell me you mean no disrespect? Forgive my scepticism.

I'm not inferring anything, I simply quoted Jesus. I think He spoke clearly enough for all to understand.

65 posted on 08/12/2005 2:32:25 PM PDT by OB1kNOb
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To: familyop; GestehenSieUndGibtAuf
"What if your obedience to his laws is not good enough? Do have to obey the laws 10%,30%,70% or 90% what is enough and how do you know when you have been obedient enough?"

A short answer, regardless of their inflated egos, freepers don't get to judge. Bruising, I know.

Can you post after death, maybe I'll write a vanity.

66 posted on 08/12/2005 2:34:41 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
I hate to tell this guy, but he's about 2,000 years behind the times.

He's not "behind the times" as a Jew. Christians believe the Messiah has come once & will come again. Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come. The Rabbi is in step with the Jewish belief.

67 posted on 08/12/2005 2:34:56 PM PDT by madison10
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To: newfreep
uhhhh, it's spelled "God" without the hyphen.

It's not a hyphen...it's a blank space: G _D. Jews do not do speak, or write out the word of G-d Or Y-H It is too holy.

68 posted on 08/12/2005 2:37:32 PM PDT by madison10
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To: SJackson

The reason that my answer was long (and most, including myself, agree that we don't get to judge), is that many Christians believe that there will be no judgement at all for them. There is also a canard floating around the Net stating that Jews in general don't believe in a world to come at all (besides the myth stating that Jews have to be perfect).

My purpose (with repeated disclaimer) was to convey various beliefs and study hints on the issue.


69 posted on 08/12/2005 2:47:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

I perceive, sir, that you - a devout G-d fearing Jew, with respect for Christian's and love for G-d - are a perfect candidate to become one of the 144,000.


70 posted on 08/12/2005 3:01:53 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [Quicquid peius optimo nefas])
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To: jb6

Tonight! Tonight would be wonderful.


71 posted on 08/12/2005 3:19:45 PM PDT by M. Espinola ( Freedom is never free)
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To: madison10
"It's not a hyphen...it's a blank space: G _D. Jews do not do speak, or write out the word of G-d Or Y-H It is too holy.It's not a hyphen...it's a blank space: G _D. Jews do not do speak, or write out the word of G-d Or Y-H It is too holy."

Correct.

72 posted on 08/12/2005 3:22:41 PM PDT by M. Espinola ( Freedom is never free)
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To: OB1kNOb
And your Quote was inferring what?

Sorry

Oh inscrutable One. I'm not questioning Jesus, I'm questioning you. Your the one that applied the reference, so apply it.
73 posted on 08/12/2005 3:25:41 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: jb6

There is dozen or so Jesuses coming in across our southern border every day...


74 posted on 08/12/2005 3:28:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: jb6

Last week I hired Jesus to mow my lawn.


75 posted on 08/12/2005 3:29:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: newfreep
"uhhhh, it's spelled "God" without the hyphen."

...uhhhh, are you really as ignorant as you appear?

76 posted on 08/12/2005 3:29:58 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat

uhhhh....you really need to read all the posts before exhibiting such a lack of social skills.


77 posted on 08/12/2005 3:33:58 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: SJackson; GestehenSieUndGibtAuf

***A short answer, regardless of their inflated egos, freepers don't get to judge. Bruising, I know.***


Your answer was just a little too short to be accurate. I don't believe GestehenSieUndGibtAuf was seeking to "judge" anyone (correct me if I'm wrong GestehenSieUndGibtAuf ) but obeying the injunction of the NT of calling people to judge themselves.

"But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment."

(Additionally, you'r rephrasing of the mantra "Who are we to judge" is a little 90's - don'tcha think!)

:)


78 posted on 08/12/2005 3:38:31 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: newfreep
uhhhh....you really need to read all the posts before exhibiting such a lack of social skills.

...uhhhh, I DID...I read through them all from people who are a lot kinder than I am. I thought your original "uhhhh" was incredibly rude and ignorant.

79 posted on 08/12/2005 3:39:06 PM PDT by paulat
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To: L,TOWM

Thank you. ;)


80 posted on 08/12/2005 3:39:19 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: paulat

"Lighten up, Francis."


81 posted on 08/12/2005 3:46:23 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: jb6

The Messiah came, and Is, and always will Be. Hallelujah! :-)


82 posted on 08/12/2005 3:51:05 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: Alexander Rubin
"The way I see it, I will love G-d, obey his laws as best I can, love my family and my country, work hard and try to build a better world, and hope for the best. I will love and respect those who worship my G-d in their own way, for we're all brothers made in the image of G-d, and that's all I can do."

And still, some will call you deluded. We should all be so deluded, friend

83 posted on 08/12/2005 3:53:25 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: newfreep
"uhhhh, it's spelled "G-d" without the hyphen."

There is a traditional view that avoids spelling it where it will be discarded so that one may observe the commandment about not taking the name in vain.

84 posted on 08/12/2005 3:55:24 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Revolting cat!

More like a couple of hundred.


85 posted on 08/12/2005 3:55:56 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandry wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Alexander Rubin

Amen to that!


For those with a sense of humor:

The Messiah is coming! Everone look busy.

or how about:

The Messiah is coming! Someone get Him a towel!

(OK, that was bad, I hope it doesn't earn me a break from posting...)


86 posted on 08/12/2005 3:59:45 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

The messiah of Christianity (aka Jesus) is claimed by Christianity to be the same as YHVH. The trinitarian tradition is something that most Christians are not going to question or challenge. Meanwhile, Jews hold on to the Shema as well they should.


87 posted on 08/12/2005 4:10:28 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Wisely investing in quality tin foil wardrobe basics since 1998)
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To: fish hawk
Just about every religion but Christianity believes that being "good" and doing "good deeds" will get you into God's graces. I guess it's too hard for them to believe that it is a free gift.

A few months ago, my wife and I had a bunch of bills come due at the same time without the money to cover them all. I was embarrassed to do it, but I had to ask my parents for some money to tide us over, which my mother said she'd give us.

A few minutes later, my father called back. My parents needed some furniture moved and he'd pay my wife and me more than we'd asked for if we moved it for them. It really wasn't that big a deal, but it allowed me the dignity of earning the money.

As with my temporal parents, so with the Heavenly Parent. I would far rather earn my way into His good graces. I would be ashamed to have it handed to me as a gift.

88 posted on 08/12/2005 4:22:11 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Alexander Rubin

I once heard a little story about a Christian and a Jew welcoming the messiah to Jerusalem. question #1 - is this your first visit to our fair city...


89 posted on 08/12/2005 4:23:28 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: jb6

I expect the Messiah will come. I just don't expect it to happen soon.... More to the point, I don't believe in conducting my life, as if it will happen soon.


90 posted on 08/12/2005 4:23:55 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
I once heard a little story about a Christian and a Jew welcoming the messiah to Jerusalem. question #1 - is this your first visit to our fair city...

My best friend in middle school, whose father was a pastor, tried to get me to convert to Christianity. That was basically the deal I made with him.

91 posted on 08/12/2005 4:25:56 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
You're point of view is valid and makes sense. I was speaking from a scriptural view as Paul teaches about the gift of grace etc. Works are important(according to scripture) but not THE ticket. Aloha my FRiend
92 posted on 08/12/2005 4:31:19 PM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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93 posted on 08/12/2005 4:31:57 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: familyop
I am encouraged by your dedication to studying the word of the Lord.

Deu 4:29 But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Luk 11:9 So I say to you, ask and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

94 posted on 08/12/2005 6:00:51 PM PDT by JesusBmyGod
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To: Esther Ruth

If anyone wants to look at these... these are Old Testament verses that Christians believe Jesus fulfilled and then the Christian New Testament verses that go with them.


Since we are talking about the coming of the Messiah...
324 Messianic Prophecies
http://www.hopeofisrael.net/messiah1.htm


95 posted on 08/12/2005 6:17:37 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3)
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To: sasportas
Apparantly you've never bothered to find out what Hindus believe. BTW, most of the Book of Proverbs was translated in about the First Century CE into material that ended up in their holy text called the Bhagavadgita.

Their own Messiah stories are quite complex and HAPPENED IN THE PAST, ergo, your little rant about the Anti-Christ already happened and is history ~ you are about 2.5 millenia too late as it were!

Their Noah stories are also quite interesting ~ yes, they have Noah, or as he is more properly named, Ma-Nu. Odds are you think of the Noah story as just one of those things ~

I doubt I'm falling for anything here, but your ignorance of what a billion people who are allied to us in our war against terrorism is appalling.

96 posted on 08/12/2005 7:21:16 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: jb6

His Messiah is coming but ours has already been here and is expected back. I hope it is shortly.


97 posted on 08/12/2005 7:24:08 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian; fish hawk
Not to offend but a couple of your comments made me think of Scriptural verses.

I would be ashamed to have it handed to me as a gift.

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through Faith. And this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

More to the point, I don't believe in conducting my life, as if it will happen soon.

Luke 12 KJV

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of Man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.


fwiw
98 posted on 08/12/2005 7:31:01 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: muawiyah

muawiyah, at it again, spewing more twisted leftist theology. No need wasting time and bandwidth on it. Twist the scripture to your own destruction.


99 posted on 08/12/2005 7:44:11 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
Hmmm ~ now we have some guy coming in who I don't know from Adam and he claims that references to Hindus are "leftwing".

Now who would do that other than various Moslem fanatics?

Either you and I are simply talking about totally different things, or you are a mole.

So, which is it?

100 posted on 08/12/2005 7:53:22 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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