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Able Danger, 9-11 Report, Gorelick, and so much more...
various FR links & stories | 08-12-05 | the heavy equipment guy

Posted on 08/12/2005 12:19:36 PM PDT by backhoe

 Below is maybe the best summary of this treason.
 http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4656
 
 This is the most interesting thread I have been on in sometime. This is when FR shines if you ask me because everyone is adding more of the puzzle pieces--
 THE 9/11 COMMISSION IN MORTAL DANGER -- The best summary I've read yet about this massive coverup. Anyone doubt what Sandy berger was trying to shove down his pants now?  Archives Search Results.. Sandy Berger and SoxGate
 The Gorelick article index
 Agreed -- it is explosive. Therefore, the media will start making excuses and hide the facts. Folks in new media will have to work really really hard to make sure this information gets out to the public, and let the facts tell the story.
 We can now see that, in addition to Gorelick's outrageous conflict-of-interest, at least THREE of the most senior staff members of the 9/11 Commission also had blatant conflicts-of-interest:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1461683/posts?q=1&&page=101
 At Power Line a while back was this concerning what was really to be covered up...  A Motive For Berger's Bizarre Behavior?
 Gorelick also sits on the board of directors of Schlumberger, a leading oilfield services provider with interests in Iraq... This has the feel of being the tie-in between 9-11, Iraq, the bizarre behavior of the Democrats, and the Oil For Food program. If so, it's no wonder there was such effort to hide information, as well as the opposition to Bolton's appointment...
 The Washington Post and New York Times reported in March and April that the five documents stolen by Sandy the Burglar were different versions of Richard Clarke's classified millennium "after action review" from early 2000. He also took the handwritten notes he made in the National Archive about the after action review.
 Here are two *other* 9/11 factoids that didn't make the 9/11 Commission's report:9/11/2001 hi-jackers used ID of dead 9/11/2000 attacker to rent car
 THE RAW DATA FROM FOXNEWS. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165408,00.html
 Gorelick was deeply compromised by a conflict of interest obvious to the dumbest taxi driver...
 Check this out...Datamatix Personalities from other parts of the World: (Al Gore, Tipper, Howard Dean, Sandy Berger, Robert Gates(CIA)....)
 Curt Weldon was on C-SPAN's Washington Journal Wednesday morning. He obviously has questions and he wants answers. I don't believe he is going to let go of this. Good overview.  http://www.c-span.org/VideoArchives.asp?z1=&PopupMenu_Name=Defense/Security&CatCodePairs=Issue,DESE;
 
I need to dig up some old threads I saved on the more suspicious Commission members. Here's one with some stuff on Ben-Veniste:

Richard Clarke's Pentagon Papers/VVAW Connection (starting Post 44)

A few with stuff on Gorelick:

Lawmakers Say Misstatements Cloud F.B.I. Chief's Credibility (Post 60)

"John Deutch was an undesecretary in President Carter's Energy Department and a member of the Nuclear Safety Oversight Committee from 1979-1980. During his time there, Jamie Gorelick acted as his legal counsel."

GORELICK-GATE SCANDAL -- Former Clinton Justice Official Fingered As Culprit For 9/11 Botch-up!

1996: Clinton Considered Jamie Gorelick for CIA Director

Did Gorelick's infamous memo provide the missing link between Chinagate and 9/11?

FReeper Research: GORELICK WORKED WITH RICHARD CLARKE! (HHS website transcript)

Gorelick allowed to draft report (Cover-up)

520 posted on 08/12/2005 3:26:34 AM EDT by Fedora
 
 Rush Limbaugh: 9/11 Commission Didn't Connect Dots (Should be investigated) -- This issue will not go away... Gorelick, like Hubbell before her, essentially ran the Justice Department because of the gross incompetence of Attorney General Janet Reno." (from June 2005 WorldNet Daily).
 http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/11/sept.11.hijackers.ap/index.html
 
 
 How Chinagate Led to 9/11
 But it does involve the FBI and the Defense Department. Ed Morrissey, Jim Geraghty and other bloggers have some thoughts on what Geraghty says could be "one of the biggest stories to come down the pike in a while". Geraghty's post is a great way to get up to speed quickly on the topic.
 http://eddriscoll.com/archives/007529.php
 The Able Danger project team tried three times, Fox reports, to give the information on Atta to the FBI in 2000. Each time, administration attorneys blocked their efforts.
Meanwhile, via The Anchoress, Dr. Sanity looks at a possible connection between this, Sandy Berger, and his pants.
http://theanchoressonline.com/2005/08/10/able-dangersandy-berger-connection/
 
 FLASHBACK:THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S GENERAL - JAMIE GORELICK [Fawning essay]  

 CHOOSE A NAME FOR THIS LATEST CLINTON SCANDAL--How about "WALLGATE" or "TREASONGATE"?
 
 
 The Blitzer Identity Forgets to Ask Clinton About Able Danger (Wolf didn't ask about 2000 and Atta)!
 
 Sept. 11 Panel Explores Claims About Hijacker(Atta 911) -- we have have a case of the alleged perpetrators being asked to investigate their own wrongdoing.
 
 Clarke To 9/11 Comm:"prior to 9/11, people within the FBI knew [9/11] hijackers were in the country"
 
 House Floor Statement by Rep Weldon. June 27,2005( Ignored by the MSM ) Full Trancript, Long read
 
  The Farce That Was the 911 Commission
 
Lehman: 9/11 Commission Eyeing Secret Clinton Video
 
 9/11 Report Missed Key Facts; 'Huge Deal,' Lawmaker Says -- Well, that just stinks to high heaven! Sounds like we need to clean out the Senate of all the boneheads who enacted the laws (and reaffirmed them year after year by doing nothing) that allowed such a disconnect to occur. This has happened over years and years of neglect and politics.
I don't know why I've been in quite a foul mood of late, but it gets worse and worse each time I drive by a gas station and see the price of gas going up, up, up! I think about how there are folks out there who could barely afford gas when it was $1.50/gallon, and now it's a dollar more/gallon. Who controls the price of oil? (I know this has nothing to do with the Gorelick Wall, but I'm just fed up!) This Gorelick Wall stuff fuels my foul mood.
 
House Floor Statement by Rep Weldon. June 27,2005( Ignored by the MSM ) Full Trancript, Long read
 
 "When Gorelick took office in 1994, the CIA was reeling from the news that a Russian spy had been found in CIA ranks, and Congress was hungry for a quick fix. A month after Gorelick was sworn in, Bill Clinton issued Presidential Decision Directive 24. PDD 24 put intelligence gathering under the direct control of the president’s National Security Council, and ultimately the White House, through a four-level, top-down chain of command set up to govern (that is, stifle) intelligence sharing and cooperation between intelligence agencies. From the moment the directive was implemented, intelligence sharing became a bureaucratic nightmare that required negotiating a befuddling bureaucracy that stopped directly at the President’s office.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=13516

Some "Able Danger" links:

9/11 Commission's Staff Ignored Military's Early Identification of Chief Hijacker
NYTIMES ^ | 08/11/05 | DOUGLAS JEHL and PHILIP SHENON

9/11 Commission Wants Atta Claims Pursued
Associated Press/AP Online ^ | Wednesday, 10 August 2005, 18:00 CDT | John J. Lumpkin

THE 9/11 COMMISSION IN MORTAL DANGER
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 08/11/05 | John Podhoretz

Sandy Berger "TROUSER-GATE" links:
various | August 10, 2005 | Various

Congressman: U.S. Intel Knew 9/11 Plotters
New York Post ^ | August 9, 2005 | Kimberly Hefling

356 posted on 08/11/2005 10:08:58 PM EDT by Lancey Howard
 
 
  Gorelick is up to her blood sucking lips in another mess, Fannie Mae situation.  (FNM to be delisted?) Statement from Daniel H. Mudd, President and CEO, Fannie Mae
 
 The OKC Cover-Up and Gorelick's mysterious phone call:

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/email/box036/msg03696.htm
 
 Spend five minutes reading about Snell on this thread and you'll see the fix was more than in.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461535/posts
 
 
 

I don't believe there was any mention of this:

Osama met with Saddam in Iraq.
March 23, 2002. The Times of India
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746741/posts

September 11 Victims Sue Iraq.
September 4, 2002. BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm

Spain links 9/11 suspect to Baghdad.
March 16, 2003. The Observer.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915142,00.html

A judge sees the documents linking OBL and Saddam.
June 25, 2003. The Tennessean.
http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

Memo shows Iraq And Saddam Contacted OBL.
September 12, 2003. The Washington Times.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030912-012437-3992r.htm
Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it. Specific names of Al Qaeda terrorists working in and with Iraq
September 19, 2003. National Review.
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and first WTC attack:
September 22, 2003. Newsweek.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts

Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam.
November 3, 2003. The Weekly Standard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)

In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
March 28, 2004, NewsMax
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1

There are hundreds more of these that were not in the 9/11 Commission Report.

7 posted on 08/11/2005 5:25:12 PM EDT by Peach
 
What else didn't make it into the 911 report?

This, for one thing:

Iraq Pre-War Intelligence Report: Additional Views of Chairman Pat Roberts joined by Senator Christopher S. Bond, Senator Orrin G. Hatch

 [VANITY] Help find the Jan 10th edition of New York Magazine cover (Able Danger coverup)

 The Gunny Is Starting To Freak Out -- On April 19, 2004, I published a column on Men's News Daily saying the 9-11 Commission would fail for a multitude of reasons, one of which was a blatant conflict of interest regarding commission member and rabid Clintonista Jamie Gorelick

 9/11 Commission Transcript: U. S. Attorney General John Ashcroft - Wednesday, April 14, 2004

 U.S. knew of al Qaeda cell before 9/11 -- “Able Danger,” identified a terrorist cell based in Brooklyn, NY

 
 Rush Limbaugh: Clinton Administration's Gorelick Wall Prevented Arrest of Mohammed Atta -- Could it be that it was documents related to this issue that Burger was hiding his pants?

 WELDON'S SPECIAL ORDER ON "ABLE DANGER" ~~ The truth behind Sept 11, 2001..... -- I love the liberal bumper sticker that says, "when clinton lied no one died". I just say to them-- oh, what about the 3000+ on 9/11 now I can really rub it in.. More of the BJs legacy.

 'POST-IT' BLUNDER -- Wasn't it Jamie Gorelick that implemented the policy that intellegence can't tell the FBI about stuff? And wasn't this just about the time that Charlie Tree was funneling money into the Clinton coffers?

 Four in 9/11 Plot Are Called Tied to Qaeda in '00 -- This article is MUST reading. There is a ton of highly classified stuff in this report, which I think cuts closer to reality than most "for public consumption" stuff the sheeple are fed. Particulary note the importance of "data mining"--

 Today's New York Times reveals that military intelligence had identified the core of the 9/11 cell more than a year before the attacks that killed 3,000 people.  Comments (14)
 
 The Mother Lode:

 Quick - google Dietrich Snell. Explains a lot about AttaGate. -- Holy crap.  This is Buckhead stuff.   Look at this:
Abdul Hakim Murad, a conspirator in the 1995 Bojinka plot with Ramzi Yousef, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and others, was convicted in 1996 of his role in the Bojinka plot (see January 6, 1995). He is about to be sentenced for that crime.
 9/11 Y2K; the 9/11 attack that happened BEFORE 2001 (Free Republic Exclusive) ...
 Two years ago, federal prosecutors turned down a cooperation offer from a terrorist who claimed he was part of a well-financed 1995 plot to crash an airplane into the CIA headquarters.
 Investigator: Bin Laden Approved Plot Two Years Before 9/11
 "The Feds made a big deal out of grabbing the overweight, bug eyed KSM in March of 2003 in Pakistan, but by my reckoning they had blown at least two chances to grab him earlier before all those people died on 9/11 -- once in 1995 the day Yousef was caught and later in 1996 when the Feds learned KSM was in Doha, Qatar, and cooled their heels waiting while a Qatari official spirited him out of the country to the Czech Republic."
From: http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16795
 We need to keep all these articles about Snell:
 Much of it is in the pages of Cover Up:
 
Wow...good catch. As I have said before, the OKC investigation is also involved (which Gorelick squashed, see links below) and then there is the Iraq connection...from my files:

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols (OKC) crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11)was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

Gorelick and OKC:

Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection

See also:

THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION - The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call

49 posted on 08/11/2005 5:13:03 PM EDT by ravingnutter
 
 'Able Danger' Intel Could Rewrite 9/11 History:
 
 Why Gorelick created that wall for Clinton:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461567/posts?page=2#2
 
 
 
 
 
 HILLARY'S TRIPLE PLAY

Gorelick's Memo Impeded Probe of Clinton's China Scandal

 Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection

 Sandy Burger’s Pants and 9/11

 9/11 Widows 'Horrified' at Intelligence Blunder

Millennial Mistake Jamie Gorelick’s dangerous “wall of separation.” -- The truth about what went on before 9/11 is bound to have the average voter connecting the dots from Gorelick and Sandy Burglar to Clinton. (Bad news for Hill, who plans to run on Bill's record.)

Don't miss the latest from today's New York Times:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461035/posts

Four in 9/11 Plot Are Called Tied to Qaeda in '00 -- This article is MUST reading. There is a ton of highly classified stuff in this report, which I think cuts closer to reality than most "for public consumption" stuff the sheeple are fed. Particulary note the importance of "data mining"--
 
 
 
 
 

What Gorelick Wants
FrontPageMagazine.com
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13579
| 6/02/04 | Jonathan M. Stein

Discussion thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146047/posts?page=4

283 posted on 06/02/2004 4:57:32 AM EDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133026/posts
FBI Agent Was Prevented From Relaying Warning on 9/11 Hijackers To CIA [The Gorelick Wall]
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120560/posts
The Wall Truth (Three Articles about Jamie Gorelick and the 9/11 commission)
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128533/posts
Gorelick's Stonewall - Newly released memos contradict her 9/11 Commission assertions ~ WSJ.
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127565/posts
Boortz notices the 9-11/Chinagate/Gorelick "Rosetta Stone"
Nealz Nuze ^ | 30 November 2004 | Neal Boortz
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1126434/posts
(New) Memos show Gorelick involvement in 'wall'
Washington Times ^ | 4/29/04 | Charles Hurt and Stephen Dinan
Also note The Gorelick Rosetta Stone...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120934/posts
link between Chinagate and 9/11?
 
 --More--
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124969/posts
Old-timers knew and talked about this back in 1996. Yes, the Clintons really are that scummy. That is why so many Freepers really do detest them. They sold out our country so that Bill could get elected and re-elected.
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124370/posts
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB: Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters

The National Interest ^ | Winter, 1995/96 | Laurie Mylroie
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1123489/posts
Gorelick allowed to draft report (Cover-up)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040422-121826-9517r.htm ^ | 4/23/04 | Stephen Dinan and Charles Hurt
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120934/posts
The Gorelick Rosetta Stone
WebCommentary.com ^ | 20 April 2004 | Scott Jordan
 
 
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Wonder when TWA 800 news will start to seep out as well...
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There's a whole lot more to the OKC story than the "mainstream" press has cared to investigate. Visit Jayna Davis' website and be astounded.
Click here and scroll about halfway down to download Jayna Davis' interview on FNC this morning.
Time to unseal videotapes of Murrah Federal Building
Ramsey Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols (OKC) crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given money and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime. Other links
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120318/posts
Murder, Inc. [repost]
The Architecture of Modern Political Power ^ | 01/19/2001
 
 
Free Republic | April 16,2004 | FreeRepublic Volunteers
 


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To: SueRae

Here is a few dots on this that might line up.

Atta was on German intelligence's watchlist for quite awhile before 9/11. He travelled to Afghanistan to train in Bin Laden's camps in 1998.

How Able Danger identified Atta and the other members of the cell in the US is not clear right now.

The DOD intelligence may have had Atta under a watch list because he was roomates in Hamburg with two other 9/11 pilots, Hazmi and Mihdhar, that DOD had been surveilling.

Besides the fact that they had trained in Afghanistan, they also attended a meetings in Kuala Lampour, with Ramzi Yousef on the plan to blow-up airliners in south-east asia. (9/11 Commission Report)

Yousef planned the 1993 WTC bombing but escaped and Yousef was caught in the Phillipines soon after this Kuala Lampour meeting.

Hazmi and Mihdhar left the Kuala Lampour meeting and travelled immediately to Los Angelos (9/11 Commission Report.)

According to what Rep. Ben Weldon said on Fox on Wednesday, DOD wanted to inform the FBI that the two probable terrorists were in Los Angelos and should be picked up but Clinton lawyers in DOD told them they could not do so. (the New York or Brooklyn connection is that they were tied to Yousef who was leader of the New York cell that tried to blow-up the WTC the frist time.)

Atta met up with these two guys in the US in March or April of 2000.

Might have been nice if Able Danger could have picked them up or at least told the FBI to pick them up.


51 posted on 08/12/2005 1:58:13 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: LS

Hmmmmm ..?? You are probably right!


52 posted on 08/12/2005 2:02:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: backhoe
GORELICK GATE: Developing...
various FR links | 04-14-04


Nothing happened then. Even though Commission chairpersons were flooded with condemnations of Gorelick's conflict of interest.

Maybe Rep. Weldon can get a few meetings/hearing. Then I look for this whole issue -- like so many other potential scandals in the last 15 years -- to be swept under the carpet. Neither Dem nor Pubbie politicians want to pursue it, because it could implicate both parties and two or more current/previous administrations.
53 posted on 08/12/2005 2:08:21 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: backhoe

Great work once again Backhoe!


54 posted on 08/12/2005 2:17:53 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: EagleUSA

And .. doesn't this help explain 2 events more clearly .. Clinton taking to the streets of NYC and stopping people and telling them he was sorry and he did everything he could to stop them.

Then we have a former Clinton administration person (Berger) STEALING DOCUMENTS FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.


55 posted on 08/12/2005 2:17:59 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: surrey
I just heard Chris Wallace on Howie Carr's show. He gives a rundown on his Sunday Fox show every Friday afternoon. Howie asked him about the Able Danger report and he actually said they he could care less. Howie was stupified but he just reiterated that it just wasn't important.

We can't let this die! Rush said today that the print and TV media are not going to pick up and carry this story.

56 posted on 08/12/2005 2:22:04 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: backhoe

I sent an e-mail to Brit Hume about the work that is being done here.

Katherine Herridge is following this on Fox as well, she just reported that she's met with one of the military intelligence officers. Not only did they identify the members of Brooklyn cell in 1999-200 but also 4 or 5 others, including Hamburg, Tanzania and several others. These guys had Ramsi Bin al-Shibh pinned as well.


57 posted on 08/12/2005 2:27:23 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: NonValueAdded; backhoe

What the Atta data really showed was that Atta was connected to Iraq. Now .. how many times have we heard the democrats say .. "there is no connection between AQ and Iraq". Which also meant there was no reason for Bush to go to Iraq.

Now .. with the exposure of the Able Danger info .. it proves there WAS A CONNECTION BETWEEN AQ and Iraq .. which is what the Bush admin has always maintained .. and Kennedy's "lie after lie after lie" statement proves IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS WHO WHERE THE LYING LIARS.

Some democrat called Rush's program today and HE WAS LIVID over this Able Danger information. He was almost spitting nails. I believe the more this information gets out - the less chance any dems have of getting elected in 2006.

The dems thought they were going to have the "Rove" scandal to pummel the repubs with in 2006, and instead they ended up with the Gorelick-gate scandal .. LOL!!


58 posted on 08/12/2005 2:51:31 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: oceanview

We would all have to totally turn off the TV to get away from Aruba. They did the same thing with Laci Peterson, the stories are shoved down our throats then we are told we, the public demand it.


59 posted on 08/12/2005 3:03:38 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: CyberAnt

And Gorlick will most likely be the AG if Clinton wins the presidency


60 posted on 08/12/2005 3:06:05 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: EagleUSA; backhoe; All
We need an independent prosecutor. I understand that Ken Starr is looking for work...

I do NOT believe Starr has the spine, appetite or constitution for such a job ... he's kinda wimpy, if you ask me. Patrick Fitzgerald would be just the kind of barracuda (and he MAY BE swimming with the sharks as we speak) who could handle something so huge and sweeping as a monster of an incestuous diabological scheme. Whoever gets to deal with this needs to be an absolute unremitting barrracude .. NO prisoners .. NO gimmes, and it needs to happen NOW.

backhoe: I haven't gone through all the links, so I don't know if you have this yet:

= = = = = = = = = = = =

DoD LAWYERS TO BLAME FOR ABLE DANGER FIASCO

This is probably why a Congressional investigation is in order. Here we have the staff of the 9/11 Commission investigating themselves. And Congress should look into one particular Commission investigator, Deitrich Snell, who according to the NY Times story yesterday was the staff person who interviewed the Able Danger team member at Commission headquarters in July, 2004 – 10 days before the Commission’s Final Report was released:

Mr. Snell also prosecuted one of the Bojinka plot conspirators and turned down a deal with the terrorist:

Abdul Hakim Murad, a conspirator in the 1995 Bojinka plot with Ramzi Yousef, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and others, was convicted in 1996 of his role in the Bojinka plot (see January 6, 1995). He is about to be sentenced for that crime. He offers to cooperate with federal prosecutors in return for a reduction in his sentence, but prosecutors turn down his offer.

Dietrich Snell, the prosecutor who convicted Murad, says after 9/11 that he doesn’t remember any such offer. But court papers and others familiar with the case later confirmed that Murad does offer to cooperate at this time. Snell claimed he only remembers hearing that Murad had described an intention to hijack a plane and fly it into CIA headquarters. However, in 1995 Murad had confessed to Philippine investigators that this would have been only one part of a larger plot to crash a number of airplanes into prominent US buildings, including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, a plot that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed later adjusts and turns into the 9/11 plot

You may recall that the Bojinka plot involved the blowing up of 11 US bound airplanes over the Pacific Ocean, in January of 1996. This is the plot KSM eagerly took to Osama Bin Laden for approval only to have OBL scale the attack down to what eventually turned out to be the 9/11 attack. The behavior of Mr. Snell in this case is eerily similar to what he did with the Able Danger information. In other words, Mr. Snell has experience in burying information that may have led to discovery of the 9/11 attack.

According to today’s Washington Post, we may hear something from the Commission today about Able Danger and why the staff failed to include the information in the Final Report.

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Captains Quarters Blog:The Second Half of 9/11"

Over two weeks ago, I posted about the curious case of Mohammed Afroze, the al-Qaeda conspirator who confessed to masterminding a series of attacks on international targets for September 11, 2001, which intended to turn the AQ attack into global warfare. In my Daily Standard column today, I go into more depth about Afroze and his plans:

On the day after the failed July 21 bombings in London, an Indian court in Delhi sentenced Mohammed Afroze to seven years in prison for his participation in a wider plot which had been planned for September 11, 2001. Afroze led another al Qaeda cell which planned to use commercial airlines as missiles to destroy several international targets. The Islamist terrorists intended to send a global message through coordination with the attacks on America. Their plan failed when the terrorists lost their nerve and fled Heathrow.

Afroze and his compatriots from Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Pakistan had planned on flying their Manchester-bound flights into the House of Commons and the Tower Bridge in London. Attacking Parliament would have sent a message to the British government about the continued sanctions on Iraq. Blowing up the Tower Bridge would kill a slew of British civilians, with the intent of terrorizing them into demanding a withdrawal of British troops from the Middle East and a halt to support of American actions in the region.

But Afroze had other targets as part of his plan--and these reveal something much deeper and broader than Galloway and the media wish to contemplate.

The other targets? Australia and India. The latter especially destroys the oft-repeated meme that al-Qaeda's primary motivation comes from Anglo-American occupation in Iraq, or their actions in the first Gulf War. Instead, the aborted attack plans of Afroze show that Osama bin Laden and his gang of terrorists intend on establishing a new Caliphate in Southwest Asia and North Africa, regaining the lands that once fell under Muslim control, and using control of oil to push for global domination.

Interestingly, especially in light of the Able Danger revelations this week, the 9/11 Commission never mentions Mohammed Afroze even a single time, despite his key role in attempting to provide the international half of the attacks on 9/11. The nature of these targets shows that AQ didn't target America exclusively and should have provided at least some context for their consideration. Like Able Danger, however, they either ignored it or deliberately omitted it as not fitting within the predetermined conclusions they desperately wanted to reach.

Nor has the media provided any coverage of Afroze. The paltry mention his case received came almost exclusively from the international press corps, notably the Times of India and the Times of London. Americans once again find themselves underinformed of the facts of 9/11 despite the vast amount of money, time, and attention spent on supposedly "connecting the dots" after the fact. This willful ignorance on the part of those commissioned to keep us informed should once again demonstrate that the media has aligned itself to certain narratives and have proven unreliable in the main to report facts that do not fit them.

This continues to make life dangerous for Americans and free people around the world. If the media cannot truly depict the issues surrounding global Islamofascist terror, the ignorance they promote about its goals will result in a collapse of will to keep those goals from becoming reality.

61 posted on 08/12/2005 3:09:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (CURB POLLUTION; SAVE ENERGY: Show a lie-detection meter for every Democrat interview.)
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To: Burlem

I believe you're correct!


62 posted on 08/12/2005 3:28:30 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: backhoe; Peach; cyncooper; Lancey Howard; TonyInOhio; MJY1288; kcvl; Southack; All
Plenty of Dots (and Blame) to go Around

Captain V. is the nom de cyber-plume of a former intelligence officer who worked in a variety of intelligence disciplines and served at a number of different agencies in the US Intelligence Community. He is neither syndicated nor a member of a think tank (though wouldn’t that be sweet?). His opinions are his own.

On the odd chance that you haven’t been following the story: The Army undertook a data mining project called ABLE DANGER. The project identified and connected a variety of dots that pointed to Atta as a member of al-Qaida. Army squirreliness about sharing “intel” data with “law enforcement” or even other elements of the IC apparently stopped any potentially productive information sharing effort.

One gig (demerit) for the Army.

After a day or two, a fresh round of criticism emerged. Initially the target was the Army for allegedly keeping the ABLE DANGER findings from the 9/11 Commission, which claimed rightly that had this information been known prior to the conclusion of the Commission’s investigation, the “truth” about 9/11 might very well read differently.

We now know that this second round of criticism was misplaced. The 9/11 Commission now confesses that it did indeed know about the Atta connection discovered by ABLE DANGER, but apparently disregarded the Army’s findings because it didn’t jibe with all the other data they had collected on the topic.

When this kind of thinking is discovered by commissions investigating intelligence professionals, it is called a “lack of imagination” or “group think” or labeled a by-product of the ill-conceived consensus-building nature of how intelligence assessments are developed. Such thinking is held up by commissions as one of the many ills that affect the IC today, though apparently it isn’t a problem when conducted by commissions themselves.

Two gigs for the 9/11 Commission: one for ignoring the data and one for lying about it.

Like any good conspiracy theory, the motivations that led to the creation of the Gorelick “wall” – the policy that precluded effective sharing of data between intelligence and law enforcement - are varied and exciting to think about. However, the blame for this disconnect doesn’t rest solely on the shoulders of one former Clinton administration official who was really just throwing logs on a long-smoldering legal fire.

If we’re going to dump a truck load of blame, let’s spread it around more appropriately. There are two primary perpetrators that deserve our attention: the legal community that serves the intelligence community, and the intelligence professionals that don’t bother to understand the law.

The only time anyone in the IC tends to see an agency General Counsel (GC) is when something bad has happened and it is time to circle the wagons. Like any good lawyer should, each agency GC tends to interpret the law in a fashion that protects their client (the agency and its director), even if that decision could have serious consequences for the consumers that client is charged with serving. GCs are all about the letter of the law, not about the spirit.

One gig for GCs.

Intelligence officers receive briefings on legal issues that pertain to their work once a year. They are almost always done via computer-based training, and take about ten minutes to complete even after the post-lunch blahs. Every intelligence officer remembers just enough intelligence law to make them, and the way they do business, dangerous.

For example, everyone in military intelligence (like those that ran ABLE DANGER) will tell you, you can never collect anything on a “US Person” much less save that data for further analysis. Unfortunately, everyone is playing at being a TV lawyer. You wouldn’t try to defend yourself against a criminal charge because you are a faithful viewer of Law & Order, yet every day intelligence officers go about their business thinking that they’re Jack McCoy.

One gig for intelligence officers.

During peace time, when something goes horribly wrong in the military (e.g. a rash of fatal accidents), the affected service calls a halt to all non-essential activities and makes everyone sit down and figure out how to deal with the situation that caused the problems. This sort of safety ‘stand down’ is designed to make people realize that the problems being addressed are not flukes, but systemic and severely detrimental to the mission.

The IC could benefit by having its own ‘stand down’ to interpret (aggressively I hope) existing intelligence law, clarify ambiguities, debunk legal myths, and promulgate said interpretations to the IC workforce in easy to understand language. Most intelligence officers have a college degree or two, so a picture book isn’t necessary, but narrative examples would be helpful.

If we’re going to operate our intelligence apparatus as a “community” then community standards need to be put in place. The sooner everyone understands and operates under the same rules, the sooner we can remove the self-imposed road blocks that could adversely impact our ability to defeat the next terrorist attack.

63 posted on 08/12/2005 3:29:33 PM PDT by STARWISE (CURB POLLUTION; SAVE ENERGY: Show a lie-detection meter for every Democrat interview.)
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To: CyberAnt

I heard that call. He ended up getting comped a free year of Rush 24x7 and Rush told him he could find the necessary background material posted there after 6 PM. I don't know about you but I was shouting at the radio that he could find out all he needed to on Free Republic and a lot sooner too!


64 posted on 08/12/2005 4:06:59 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: STARWISE; wretchard; Howlin; Travis McGee; blam; Squantos; Bommer; Lazamataz; SJackson; yonif; ...
"Two gigs for the 9/11 Commission: one for ignoring the data and one for lying about it."

Captain V's advice is valid for all non-compromised intel agencies and government commissions.

However, Captain V's advice is invalid for those commissions and intel agencies that are *actively* subverting the U.S.

For the 9/11 Congressional Commission, for instance, not only was it caught lying that it "didn't know" about Able Danger, but it was caught lying that it was only 2 Military Intel agents whose Able Danger information was disregarded "because it didn't align with any other data."

Because not only did the 2 military intel officers tell the 9/11 Commission about the 4 known (prior to 9/11 via Able Danger) hijackers, but Richard Clarke himself told the 9/11 Commission that the FBI knew of 2 of the 19 9/11 hijackers operating in the U.S. prior to 9/11/2001.

So the 9/11 Commission LIED about "not knowing," lied about why they dismissed the intel from the 2 officers, and then lied again about Richard Clarke's ***public*** testimony to their Congressional panel!

Gorelick knew. The 9/11 Commission knew. They tried to spike hijacker revelation from the 2 different sources (Richard Clarke and the intel officers).

That's not innocent behavior. That's not merely a procedural problem or an institutional problem or groupthink.

That's active subversion.

And it's active subversion that just adds to the subversion hoisted upon us via the Gorelick Wall.

Lets also not forget all of the public leaks that our intel agencies keep springing.

Lets remember that National Security Advisor Berger was caught shredding classified documents.

Lets remember that Valerie Plame was actively scheming to bring down our President by rigging up left-wing-insider "intel" gathering in Niger.

Lets remember that our intel agencies tried to trick our President into using the French-forged Niger WMD documents.

This is all treason. This is WHY our intel agencies are being cleaned up by Porter Goss and John Negroponte, and it is why the Left is scrambling and screaming thusly.

65 posted on 08/12/2005 4:19:40 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: All
More info coming in:

 Gorelick memo; Mary Jo White response (see pdf copies) -- There is some good stuff on the site. CHECK THIS OUT
 Congressional Record on the 9/11 Commission Hearings where Senator Cornyn brings up the conflicts in Gorelick's statements on the memo.
 FBI CHECKING OUT SOUBRA --- CLICK
 
 WND on Rush: "Media Absent on 9/11 Scandal - an Absolute Joke..." -- Apparently, FReepers, Rush, the Internet and alternative media will have to chase this story down and publicly humiliate the people elected to represent us - not themselves - until they reveal why they covered up such damning evidence...
 Authorities also knew about another cell prior to 9/11. Zacaria Soubra's name popped up in a document linked by DFU here (post #6):
 Atta had a fake passport...info here (#12).
 Source
 
 "Sandy Berger's Sentencing Postponed" Going easy on him, or waiting for the other shoe to drop? -- I know this is a month old story, but recent events regarding AbleDanger-gate might shed some new light on it.

66 posted on 08/12/2005 4:24:43 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Southack

do you see anyone from the administration speaking about this, escalating the calls for investigations? the so-called republican members of the 9-11 commission were obviously part of the coverup. why?

as Rush said today - both parties have a hand in protecting the "political class" from blame.


67 posted on 08/12/2005 4:25:20 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: All
 Atta Boy, Democrats

68 posted on 08/12/2005 4:26:59 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: backhoe

bump to the top


69 posted on 08/12/2005 4:30:30 PM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: backhoe

bttt


70 posted on 08/12/2005 4:32:08 PM PDT by RobFromGa (This tagline is on August recess...)
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To: prognostigaator

Thanks for the bump- I just got my old dog out of surgery ( teeth and a growth on her head ) and am not able to give much time to nuturing this post beyond adding new links. I'll drop in as time permits.


71 posted on 08/12/2005 4:32:52 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: oceanview
"the so-called republican members of the 9-11 commission were obviously part of the coverup. why?"

Nope. Gorelick put herself in charge of filtering the information and conclusions that the 9/11 Commission saw and made.

Where the GOP got hosed was when the Democrats put Gorelick in charge of their side, from which Gorelick was able to snow everyone else because she had so much FIRSTHAND knowledge.

...and the GOP got bamboozled into letting the Democrats pick their own staff for the 9/11 Commission because the ENTIRE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA was making such a big deal about the panel being fair, non-partisan, and unbiased.

In short, the subversives in our midsts have been able to get away with so much treason for so long because of the ever-willing, sycophantic (to the Left) news media...

...made possible because the balance of political power is so narrow.

Pause

Which means that we get to counter the subversives only to the degree that we expand our partisan national power and that we expand our blogging audience.

Which is to say, the war is bigger than just Iraq, Afghanistan, and places unmentioned abroad. There is also a Home Front, and we are fighting this war here.

72 posted on 08/12/2005 4:42:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: EagleUSA; Fedora; nuffsenuff; Southack; STARWISE; JaneAustin; Peach; Grampa Dave; ravingnutter; ...

Here's another one that has been entirely ignored by the 9/11 Commission and the MSM, as far as I can tell -- there's less and less reason to believe that the 9/11 Commission was anything but a whitewash for the political convenience of both parties. I think the Democrats were desperate to divert attention from the Clinton years, and the Rs on the commission generally obliged in order to try to minimize the bloodbath over the ridiculous Richard Clarke stuff, etc.:




Another Detail The 9/11 Commission Seems To Have Missed

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005200.php#comments

....[excerpt of Captain Quarters Blog thread, there's lots more stuff there]:

The most serious report contained information that Iraq and Osama bin Ladin were working together. German authorities were surprised by the arrest of the two Iraqi agents and the discovery of Iraqi intelligence activities in several German cities. German authorities, acting on CIA recommendations, had been focused on monitoring the activities of Islamic groups linked to bin Ladin. They discovered the two Iraqi agents by chance and uncovered what they considered to be serious indications of cooperation between Iraq and bin Ladin. The matter was considered so important that a special team of CIA and FBI agents was sent to Germany to interrogate the two Iraqi spies.

Not one word of this gets addressed in the final Commission report, as far as I can tell. The report contains thirty-one references to arrests, most of them for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Zacarias Moussaoui, but none of them mention any German arrests of Iraqi spies in Germany for March 2001. It isn't as if the 9/11 Commission considered Al-Watan al-Arabi an unreliable source, either; they used it as a reference for an editorial by Saudi Prince Bandar.

The CIA apparently knew something about this; why didn't it come out during the hearings? This looks like a very strange coincidence, that the Germans found such an extensive Iraqi espionage ring within their borders at the same time that al-Qaeda planned its largest and most complicated attack on Western interests ever. That attack required extraordinary coordination and planning, with a large amount of resourcing. The attacks before and since have all been suicide or hit-and-run affairs, on a much smaller scale and with much more modest ambitions.

This information was published contemporaneously in March 2001 and was in the public domain. If anyone brought it to the Commission's attention, no evidence of it exists in the report. Presumably, such public information would have been addressed in the report even if it turned out to be mistaken had anyone bothered to look at it -- or if the Commission could explain it away in favor of their "no operational connection" analysis between Iraq and 9/11.

In March 2001, the CIA suspected that the Iraqis had allied themselves with Islamist extremists to carry out attacks on American interests, and as a result the Germans discovered exactly that -- right where the planning for 9/11 took place. Did this information get the Able Danger treatment as well? (h/t: CQ reader Tom M.)

Addendum: It's worth noting that syndicated columnist Amir Taheri considered Al-Watan Al-Arabi to be a pro-Saddam weekly.


73 posted on 08/12/2005 4:42:48 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: EagleUSA; Fedora; nuffsenuff; Southack; STARWISE; JaneAustin; Peach; Grampa Dave; ravingnutter

There are loads of links and pieces of info here that look very important to the subject of all that's been ignored by the 9/11 Commission, but it's going to be a huge project to get through it all and see all the things that the 9/11 Commission report does not begin to touch upon:

http://www.papadoc.net/WoW/ConnectionbetweenAlQuedaandSaddam.htm


74 posted on 08/12/2005 4:50:36 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Enchante

-- there's less and less reason to believe that the 9/11 Commission was anything but a whitewash for the political convenience of both parties.
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And we are supposed to TRUST THESE POLITICIANS with our lives, the lives of our children and our country. Barf bucket please.


75 posted on 08/12/2005 4:50:36 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Southack

I just find it hard to believe that the republicans on the comittee were that dumb. I have respect for Ashcroft at least, pointing to Gorelick in his testimony.

we missed a golden opportunity to tag clinton's stewardship of the nations military, intelligence, and law enforcement apparatus with the blame for 9/11 - where it belongs. instead, his wife stands a chance at returning to the white house as president. if that isn't a monumental political screw-up, I don't know what is.


76 posted on 08/12/2005 4:51:51 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

You can only move so far, so fast against a universally hostile news media.

If the press was neutral, then yes, we missed a golden opportunity.

But the media bias has only delayed their day of reckoning. The facts are coming in, and GOP Congressman Curt Weldon deserves kudos in this matter (for exposing the 9/11 panel lies), as does GOP bigwig Ashcroft (who exposed the Gorelick Wall).

Moreover, with the elections over, this can't be spun as a partisan stunt so easily. The Radical Left is very boxed in right now. They've made many crucial errors, and say what you will about the GOP, but the GOP is well-positioned to clean house.

77 posted on 08/12/2005 4:57:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Enchante

Don't you think this will eventually become a MAJOR issue.

If you think this through to its natural ending, it sounds like Able Danger had nailed the main al-qaeda cell which carried out 9/11 and were PREVENTED from picking them up or sharing the intel.

9/11 could have been stopped easily.

This is not the result of a screw-up or someone failing to connect the dots, but an amazingly bad error in policy.

9/11 could have been stopped.

Shouldn't this have been the main finding of the 9/11 Commission. The issue is not just why wasn't it mentioned in the report but why wasn't it the key finding.


78 posted on 08/12/2005 4:59:57 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: Southack; All

Something odd is going on. Able danger is not on Drudgereport.

What gives?


79 posted on 08/12/2005 5:00:46 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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 The Able Danger/Atta story. A lot like Atta meeting with Iraqi intelligence?  

Spanish intelligence found evidence that Algerians Khaled Madani and Moussa Laouar provided false passports to Mohamed Atta and his associate Ramzi bin al-Shibh.

Source

 Baathist Fingerprints

-- the Prague connection --

 Source

 There is also the case of Abu Zubayr, an officer in Saddam's secret police --

 Source

 
 Michael Ledeen: Intelligence? You Kidding Me? James Jesus Angleton on “Able Danger.”

hattip: ravingnutter

80 posted on 08/12/2005 5:02:55 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Southack
"Moreover, with the elections over, this can't be spun as a partisan stunt so easily. The Radical Left is very boxed in right now. They've made many crucial errors, and say what you will about the GOP, but the GOP is well-positioned to clean house."

As long as we can really, finally get a thorough investigation and house-cleaning now, I'll be willing to understand that 'maybe' this is the best time for it all to come out: the 9/11 Commission would have broken down in complete deadlock because the 'Rats like Gorelick would have stymied any real investigation. Now is our time, but how much info has been relegated to the Orwellian "memory hole" (permanent non-existence)???

We do need an exhaustive investigation with unlimited subpoena powers -- drag the Clintonlites before a hearing, under oath, and see what they each say under penalty of perjury.....
81 posted on 08/12/2005 5:03:34 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I, too, have a feeling something is not right. Michael Savage started his show raving about this story, and then after the first break, the rest of his show consisted of "encores" from previous shows.


82 posted on 08/12/2005 5:04:22 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: ViLaLuz

Are you sure? I listened to it both nights and he was just re-playing the clips of Weldon's call from the previous night.


83 posted on 08/12/2005 5:06:00 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: All
“The 9/11 9/11 Commission” (Not a Misprint)

84 posted on 08/12/2005 5:06:05 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Southack

if someone doesn't push back harder on this, it will be swept under the rug.


85 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: backhoe

86 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:58 PM PDT by petercooper (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice.)
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To: Southack
"There is also a Home Front, and we are fighting this war here."

Profoundly true, but national Republicans, are acting just like the CAGOP and seem to be fighting with half their brains tied behing their backs so they won't look too partasian, or conservative... like they should be embarrassed about that in view of the frantic freak-outs by the other side.

It's so danged frustrating to see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, time after time after time after time...

87 posted on 08/12/2005 5:13:03 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Iraq! Our exit strategy is... VICTORY!!!)
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To: Southack

Thanks for this!


88 posted on 08/12/2005 5:13:11 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SierraWasp

indeed.

the only way this goes anywhere, is if someone outside the DC "club", who has some national prominence regarding 9/11, goes public on this issue and calls for investigations. I wish Rudy Giuliani would do that.


89 posted on 08/12/2005 5:15:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Enchante

Thanks!


90 posted on 08/12/2005 5:17:35 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: oceanview; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; Southack

So do I and he needs something to reconstruct his credibility after that faux paux of an appointment to Homeland Security Chief!!! This could do it for him... BIGTIME! (I like saying "BIGTIME" because that's what Cheney said once about Clymer!!!)


91 posted on 08/12/2005 5:20:07 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Iraq! Our exit strategy is... VICTORY!!!)
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To: backhoe

Dude, you rock, as most FReepers do.


92 posted on 08/12/2005 5:21:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Enchante
Thanks for the ping.

We have all this info, now we have to get it out there! The MSM isn't going to do it, but the American people need to know this.

93 posted on 08/12/2005 5:30:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ViLaLuz

Oh wow you are right. Sorry, i thought you were talking about last night's show. He just came on here (delayed), and they say it's "an encore presentation"....>WTF?


94 posted on 08/12/2005 5:38:23 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Dude, you rock, as most FReepers do."

Oh stop it, you're making me blush!
;)


95 posted on 08/12/2005 5:41:47 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: NonValueAdded

That may be true .. but I don't think many democrats are very comfortable on a conservative site. Let him get his initial info from Rush .. let him keep listening to Rush and eventually he will hear about Free Republic. It's okay .. as long as he's getting the truth that's all that matters.


96 posted on 08/12/2005 6:47:26 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Southack
This is all treason.

Sorry Hack, but there is no such thing anymore.

97 posted on 08/12/2005 6:58:52 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: backhoe

And now for a very interesting hyposthesis that would tie together some issues about Atta's activities in the months before 9/11:


http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/

One More Look At Prague

My last post reviews a rather obscure report on the discovery of an Iraqi spy ring in Germany in February or March of 2001, resulting in the capture of two Iraqi Intelligence Services agents. The Arabic newspaper that reported it in March 2001 also reported that the CIA tipped the Germans to the Iraqi operation and that the FBI and CIA interrogated the two captured spies. I looked around for any reporting on this story in the American or British mainstream media (anything in English), even in Nexis, and came up empty.

This story may not pan out. However, it apparently has never been denied, and if it is true, one would have expected the CIA and FBI to bring this to the attention of the 9/11 Commission -- or at least the existence of the report itself. The 9/11 report makes no mention of this development at all.

I explained in the last post how this could change the notion that Iraq had no operational involvement in 9/11, as the main effort of the Hamburg cell at that time was supporting Atta for the upcoming attacks. Instead, let's take a look at the effect this would have had on Atta and his ability to get the logistical support he needed from his cell in Germany, now apparently compromised. After all, Mohammed Atta still had to get sixteen terrorists safely into the US using the Hamburg cell as his line of communication to the AQ network at the time of the purported trip to Prague.

Until Atta could make a new connection to AQ in Europe, he could not travel or communicate back to Germany. To do so would be an unpalatable risk to his cover. Instead, Atta would need to go somewhere that could give him new logistical support and rebuild his lines of communication. When the time came to go to the well again, Atta had to carefully relink to the network.

How does Atta reconnect to his support? With the operation compromised, he won't feel safe with either going back to Germany or traveling under his own name until he knows how badly the operations have been disrupted. Instead, he uses a safe cover -- one he likely would use only once -- to make his way to another station to re-establish his logistical support. Prague would be close enough to the situation for others in the network to have assessed the damage done by the Germans and to decide whether to abort the mission altogether.

Again, if the Al-Watan Al-Arabi reports turn out to be correct, this would explain why Atta felt the need to travel under an assumed identity, and why he went to Prague rather than Hamburg to meet with Iraqi agents. That meeting would be necessary for Atta to determine if he and his team should continue to make plans and whether to bring in the "muscle" hijackers, which happened a short while afterwards. If the Germans had found out about their operation and discovered his identity, then sending the other hijackers to the US could have meant walking into a trap.

This would explain why Atta changed his usual routine and traveled under an assumed identity. After reconnecting to the network and getting assurances that the network was secure, he could use his real identity on his next trip.

Does any of this constitute proof? No. But the evidence we see this far fits this theory, and if the Al-Watan Al-Arabi report is true, the 9/11 report doesn't. We need to start rethinking this from the beginning, dump the preconceived notions, and gather all of the evidence together to understand what really happened to us on 9/11.

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98 posted on 08/12/2005 7:06:31 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: backhoe

Gorelick Gate ping for later


99 posted on 08/12/2005 7:09:18 PM PDT by No2much3
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To: Southack
Right on to your post #65!!!! Thank God for W, Porter Goss, Condi and Negroponte. I think and I PRAY we have half a chance of the tenured filth being fumigated from the bowels of these agencies.

If WE can dig around and find and know the tip of the iceberg of all this diabolical and incestuous RAT conspiracy, imagine what W and the security team know and all the black filth we DON'T even know. If somebody in this admin. or the Justice Dept. doesn't start revealing and laying bare all this evil, I'm gonna scream!!!! The disgusting thing is the MSM and the RATS are going to go nuclear and scorched earth to to discredit and obstruct EVERYTHING this admin. tries to do to SAVE OUR COUNTRY. It is devastating to ponder .. truly.

100 posted on 08/12/2005 7:44:34 PM PDT by STARWISE (CURB POLLUTION; SAVE ENERGY: Show a lie-detection meter for every Democrat interview.)
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