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“The 9/11 9/11 Commission” (Not a Misprint)
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 20 August 2005 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 08/12/2005 4:40:56 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

Enough has come out about the failure of the 9/11 Commission to include critical information about Mohammed Atta and other 9/11 attackers, to suggest a new Commission to investigate the original Commission. The cure may not be that drastic, but it is that important.

In short, a special Army intelligence operation known as “Able Danger” identified Atta and four of his accomplices, and identified Al-Qaeda cells in Hamburg and Brooklyn and elsewhere, a year before the 9/11 attacks. They offered then to share that information with law enforcement agencies including the FBI.

Those offers were cut off by Clinton Administration attorneys and based that refusal on the “wall of separation” memo written by Jamie Gorelick, then a deputy under Attorney General Janet Reno. By the time 9/11 staffers received multiple briefings on Able Danger’s findings and efforts, Ms. Gorelick had become a member of that Commission.

All details now known, and some reasonable speculation on why Ms. Gorelick wrote that memo, and why the Administration wanted to prevent prosecutors from receiving information from intelligence agencies, is well covered in an article by my colleague, Gregory Borse. His title is, “Gorelick 'MemoGate': It Just Got Worse,” and is here: http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=16201

I deal here with two aspects not addressed by Greg -- the fascinating nature of the research done by Able Danger, and the solution Congress can apply to this festering problem.

“Open Source” means using sources that are out in public. It seems like a contradiction in terms that highly secret information can be derived from documents, articles, speeches, radio and TV broadcasts made in public, in front of God and everybody, as they say hereabouts.

Imagine a jigsaw puzzle with no picture on the box, you don’t know how many pieces there are, the pieces are each hidden in a pile of other pieces that aren’t part of the puzzle, and the pieces are anywhere in the world and written in languages from English to German to Farsi. For a fictional (but accurate) depiction of this process, rent and review an excellent movie, “Three Days of the Condor,” starring Robert Redford and Faye Dunaway.

Or use this real example. Three decades ago, I attended a speech by Isaac Asimov at Johns Hopkins University. I still remember one particular aspect of Dr. Asimov’s talk. He said, “Japanese or German spies during WW II could have discovered America’s most secret scientific project, using information the federal government required to be published.”

Here is Dr. Asimov’s thinking: 1. Analog Science Fiction & Fact has gone through several changes of name and control, but has always carried articles based on sound science. (Think the accurate science of Arthur Clarke’s “2001" series, rather than the bad science of George Lucas’ “Star Wars.” There is no air in space for Ti fighters to bank against, nor to transmit any sound of exploding Death Stars or planets. But I digress.)

2. As a result, many of America’s “hard” scientists subscribe to Analog. 3. The Post Office required every magazine with a second-class mailing permit to recount, once a year, the circulation of its paid subscriptions. 4. Therefore, Analog published information showong a statistical bulge, a “rat in the snake,” a group of scientists appearing first in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and then in Los Alamos, New Mexico. 5. Since there was no new university or other private employer who hired these scientists, this had to indicate some type of government-sponsored scientific research.

So it was. This “open source” investigation, with some common sense employed, would have led a spy to the location of the Manhattan Project, which developed the first atomic bomb.

Now, we turn to the solution to this 9/11 Commission problem. It is a normal duty of Congress to exercise oversight concerning all federal agencies. The Commission is/was a federal agency. Its failures concerning the Able Danger research is a very focused inquiry. Therefore, an appropriate Committee of Congress should and can convene an inquiry to get to the bottom of this problem.

How fast can Congress act? Well, it ginned up a hearing on steroid use in baseball on 30-days’ notice. It seems to me that the 9/11 failure is slightly more important than that. So start your steroid clocks now. Let’s see if Congress can get Jamie Gorelick on camera and under oath within 30 days. Let the “9/11 9/11" hearings begin.

About the Author: John Armor is a First Amendment attorney and author who lives in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico; US: North Carolina; US: Tennessee; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; abledanger; alqaeda; analog; atta; congressmanbillybob; gorelickwall; gregoryborse; isaacasimov; jamiegorelick; johnarmor; mohammedatta; opensource
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My contribution to a front-burner topic.

Enjoy.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 08/12/2005 4:40:57 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob

Thanks, Congressman. I always enjoy reading your work.


2 posted on 08/12/2005 4:46:13 PM PDT by perfect stranger ("Hell Bent for Election" by Warburg)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Shouldn't that be the 9/11 Commission Commission?


3 posted on 08/12/2005 4:47:52 PM PDT by GR Freeper
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To: Congressman Billybob
I think Rush sums it up pretty well. This whole bunch was/is a joke, an agenda driven fraud upon the public.

The MSM failed once again to do their job and the only reason anyone ever gets any semblance of truth is due to the efforts of talk radio, the internet and a very few decent conservative newspapers.

4 posted on 08/12/2005 4:50:23 PM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS..and so do liberal judges.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I guess I am getting too cynical, but, does setting up a bipartisan congressional committee to investigate the coverup of information by a nonpartisan bipartisan committee really going to solve anything?
5 posted on 08/12/2005 4:51:01 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: crazyhorse691

Call in the Texas Rangers


6 posted on 08/12/2005 4:53:57 PM PDT by spokeshave (Strategery + Shardenfreuden = Stratenshardenfreudenery)
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To: Congressman Billybob

BillyBob BUMP


7 posted on 08/12/2005 4:54:13 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: crazyhorse691

of course not, that was Rush's point today - both parties serve to protect the political class from blame.

the only way something would happen on this, is if somebody outside the DC "club" who has some national prominence, called them out on it. My pick for that job - Rudy Giuliani.


9 posted on 08/12/2005 4:56:35 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Congressman Billybob
Its failures concerning the Able Danger research is a very focused inquiry.

Is it too much to ask for my money back and Gorelick in jail?

10 posted on 08/12/2005 4:58:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: spokeshave

Call in the Texas Rangers



Where is Walker when you really need him:)


11 posted on 08/12/2005 4:58:31 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: crazyhorse691

I have my doubts that we will ever get a good clean look at what happened. When questions were raised about Gorelick before, there were republicans ready to defend her.


12 posted on 08/12/2005 5:01:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Fortunately terrorist are so media friendly. Makes it very easy to use open source sources.

The Internet is the greatest open source investigative tool ever devised.
13 posted on 08/12/2005 5:03:30 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Congressman Billybob

BUMP!


14 posted on 08/12/2005 5:04:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: crazyhorse691
Where is Walker when you really need him:)

He's probably undercover, posing as a prisoner. :)

15 posted on 08/12/2005 5:05:22 PM PDT by syriacus (Embryos -- Special enough that researchers want a lot of them; not special enough to deserve to live)
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To: crazyhorse691
>>>Where is Walker when you really need him:)

Having his briefs examined by that lady lawyer he's hitched up to...
16 posted on 08/12/2005 5:05:30 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals...they're so quixotic...)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Let’s see if Congress can get Jamie Gorelick on camera and under oath within 30 days. Let the “9/11 9/11" hearings begin.

Sounds good to me.

17 posted on 08/12/2005 5:08:23 PM PDT by syriacus (Embryos -- Special enough that researchers want a lot of them; not special enough to deserve to live)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Prediction: the abilities, morals, and sexual preferences of the Able Danger group and/or the Army briefers will be attacked. Who briefed the 9/11 Commission on Able Danger? Gorelick was obviously there to coverup and Sandy Berger got rid of some of the evidence. They'll go after someone on this and it won't be anyone with a relationship to the Clintons.

Wish we could just "cap" Atta types like Jack Bauer would.


18 posted on 08/12/2005 5:08:43 PM PDT by RecallMoran (I do not consent to be bombed.)
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To: GR Freeper
Everybody's a critic. LOL. I think that logically you are right. However, my version fits in a headline better.

John / Billybob
19 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:12 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: GR Freeper

Or the 9/11 Commission of the 9/11 Commission


20 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:54 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: crazyhorse691
The Congressional Committee will have Democrats on it. But, as with the House and the Senate, the Committee will be chaired by a Republican and have an operating majority of Republicans. That also means the primary staff will be Republican. (The Democrats will have minority staff.)

Couple that with the opportunity to have these new documents in hand and Jamie Gorelick on the stand under oath. Yes, I think some hay can definitely be made NOW, especially since anyone who can read without moving their lips knows now that the 9/11 Commission failed seriously.

John / Billybob

21 posted on 08/12/2005 5:15:15 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

The.....9-11 Commission on the 9-11 Con-Mission?


22 posted on 08/12/2005 5:15:32 PM PDT by maestro
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To: oceanview

I think a nice fat lawsuit by victims families of 9/11 against the administration of the time and all those involved would be a nice big fire cracker put under their butts.


23 posted on 08/12/2005 5:16:08 PM PDT by Sweetjustusnow ("Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty." John Adams)
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To: Congressman Billybob
From what I am being told by 'birdies' this issue is under serious debate right now, because public statements from administration officials might seem political, considering all that is on the front burner at this time. Some think that this issue going forward will depend on how much media attention is focused in its direction. The biggest liability is actually Weldon himself. Had he waited with his book, and simply pounded the issue, it would have played better than for him to be hawking a book on the subject at the same time. The issue needs another (and better) spokesperson to help bring attention to the matter.
24 posted on 08/12/2005 5:16:15 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I really like the results you want. Not a snowball's chance they will happen, but well worth imagining.

John / Billybob
25 posted on 08/12/2005 5:17:12 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Those offers were cut off by Clinton Administration attorneys and based that refusal on the “wall of separation” memo written by Jamie Gorelick, then a deputy under Attorney General Janet Reno.

Billybob:

When I first heard this from Weldon, he mentioned that the lawyers forbade the passing of the information on to the FBI was because "they were here on legal visas". Turns out that this was a bogus reason, but to me it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the "wall". That may have been the lawyers' reason, but that's not how I heard it.

I haven't heard everything that Weldon has said, but I don't recall him mentioning the "wall".

That's not to say that Gorelick and the commission don't deserve to be pillaried. They are a fraud.

26 posted on 08/12/2005 5:18:17 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: RecallMoran
Prediction: the abilities, morals, and sexual preferences of the Able Danger group and/or the Army briefers will be attacked.

No, wrong. That wont happen. You don't attack the folks who know all the secrets. That would be a very bad move on the part of those who wish to keep certain information in the dark.

27 posted on 08/12/2005 5:18:19 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Here are some of my thoughts about the Nuclear program during World War II. There was no need for the Soviets to study subscription lists to to draw the conclusion that we were involved in nuclear reasearch for an atomic weapon.

The Roosevelt Administration put a real secrecy clamp on all US Scientists doing any sort of atomic research. Once the Manhattan project was approved, those hired to work on it were sworn to total secrecy. They published nothing about their research. Since every effective researcher we had was put on the project, publications on the nature of Atoms went from several a year to zero per year.

It occured to me that some Soviet Scientists had to be following those publications in the 1930s. The fact that nothing was published after the Manhattan project was approved would have and likely did stand out like a sore thumb.

The Sherlock Holmes line, "The dog did nothing in the night time!" was no more revealing than the "American nuclear scientists published nothing after 1942!"

28 posted on 08/12/2005 5:18:40 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Congressman Billybob

Not only should there be a 9/11 Commission, Commission...

but I think it should start on 9/11...but, since 9/11 is on a Sunday...then on 9/12!


29 posted on 08/12/2005 5:19:12 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Germaine Brousard: She deserves a medal for what she does for the troops!)
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To: Sweetjustusnow

a good idea, but it takes a long time, and the entire establishment would be against them at every turn.


30 posted on 08/12/2005 5:19:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Pukin Dog
Evening, my friend.

I thoroughly agree with you that this issue has to grow and be larger than Weldon in order to succeed in digging down to bedrock truth (with the fringe benefit of damaging all those who have backed Gorelick, including many Democrats in Congress). Based on the press coverage I've see just today, I think this is already bigger than Weldon.

John / Billybob
31 posted on 08/12/2005 5:21:26 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
"My contribution to a front-burner topic."

An an excellent one at that, CB. I'll contribute a bump or two. Front burner it is.

32 posted on 08/12/2005 5:21:53 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: perfect stranger

Perhaps a massive demonstration march to the Capitol, followed a burning of all of our '911 commission report' copies *may* just get some coverage.


33 posted on 08/12/2005 5:22:08 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: cripplecreek
there were republicans ready to defend her. Like my very own ex Senator, Sludge Gordon.
34 posted on 08/12/2005 5:22:40 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Congressman Billybob

As long as the same people pick members for this commission as did last time, it will be the 9/11 9/11 cover-up cover-up.


35 posted on 08/12/2005 5:25:45 PM PDT by airborne
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To: Congressman Billybob

Someone is going to convene a hearing on this. If the truth comes out, it will probably be by accident.


36 posted on 08/12/2005 5:27:35 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Congressman Billybob
especially since anyone who can read without moving their lips knows now that the 9/11 Commission failed seriously.


110% agreement with you on that. I will not belabor my cynicism about another commission as I really do not have any other suitable alternative that would produce the Hay.
37 posted on 08/12/2005 5:28:08 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Bigger than Weldon, yes.

But not yet big enough not to be 'spin-able' by those who would rather it died.
38 posted on 08/12/2005 5:28:26 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Congressman Billybob
BuMP for the Truth to come out...

Something the MSM seems to have lost it's touch at reporting lately for years.


Death , Dishonor, Destruction

Clintoon's 3D Legacy?

GORELICK GATE: Developing... Thx Backhoe!

FR Archives Search Results for Gorelick Wall

39 posted on 08/12/2005 5:29:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Oh, by the way, the follow up to "Open Letter to the MSM" is about 25% complete. I have to keep starting over, due to new issues and information. I plan to take issue with those nuts on Daily Kos who called the article "uniformed" I've been keeping score since the original, so the article is to see just who is really winning at this stage between the MSM and folks like you and me.


40 posted on 08/12/2005 5:31:59 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Well done, John. Bookmarking.


41 posted on 08/12/2005 5:42:34 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: oceanview
the only way something would happen on this, is if somebody outside the DC "club" who has some national prominence, called them out on it. My pick for that job - Rudy Giuliani.

Wha? As much as I like him, Rudy's a politician just like the rest of 'em.

42 posted on 08/12/2005 5:45:24 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Pukin Dog

I agree it would be a very dumb move, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.


43 posted on 08/12/2005 5:45:36 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Common Tator

True, but the Soviets had better information than that. Soon, if not from the beginning, they had their own people actually working in the Manhattan Project.


44 posted on 08/12/2005 5:49:50 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Congressman Billybob
Has anybody talked to Richard Cohen the alleged republican member of the Clinton cabinet on this subject?
45 posted on 08/12/2005 5:49:57 PM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Common Tator
It occured to me that some Soviet Scientists had to be following those publications in the 1930s. The fact that nothing was published after the Manhattan project was approved would have and likely did stand out like a sore thumb.

This is known as the "bathtub curve." We used it to identify when the Soviets found something worth hiding. Publication on the topic would suddenly nosedive. Later, when they got it deployed and couldn't hide it anyway, publication would rise again. I presume they were doing the same thing to us.

46 posted on 08/12/2005 5:50:49 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: arasina

he's not part of the DC inner circle.

who do you suggest take up this cause?


47 posted on 08/12/2005 5:51:49 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Congressman Billybob

Good stuff. Thanks.


48 posted on 08/12/2005 5:55:59 PM PDT by goarmy (Sam Adams was a patriot AND a brewer)
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To: Congressman Billybob

..."Three days of the Condor", one of my favorite films. To bad, it takes years to expose iniquities of the selfish, and the tyranny of evil men...


49 posted on 08/12/2005 5:57:09 PM PDT by gargoyle (...Let them talk, I'll loan them a soapbox, and a shovel to dig their own grave...)
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To: Sweetjustusnow
I think a nice fat lawsuit by victims families of 9/11 against the administration of the time and all those involved would be a nice big fire cracker put under their butts.

You might be on to something...

Trusting this investigation to politicians and government dinks will always leave the door open to obfuscation and fraud. This needs to be taken out of the political arena and put into a legal boxing ring where lawyers will actually fight to get at the truth while others try to hide it. At least the process will be open and someone will be fighting for our side.

50 posted on 08/12/2005 6:00:11 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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