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City ranks high as conservative (Colorado Springs)
Colorado Springs Gazette ^ | August.12,2005 | Ed Sealover

Posted on 08/12/2005 6:38:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man

This just in: Colorado Springs is a conservative city.

Exactly how right-leaning the town is may come as a surprise, though.

The Springs ranked as the sixth-most conservative city in America out of 237 with at least 100,000 residents, according to a survey released Thursday by a voting-research think tank. More on this topic America's most conservative cities America's most liberal cities

It was the largest city in the top 12, outdistancing the next biggest city on the list by more than 100,000 people.

Colorado Springs’ placement on the list was enough to destroy a main theory of the Bay Area Center for Voting Research, the nonpartisan California group that conducted the survey.

“One of the trends that we thought we were finding was that conservative cities were smaller and liberal cities were bigger,” researcher Lindsay Hogan said. “Colorado Springs helps to prove that being conservative doesn’t mean being in a rural area or being in a small city.”

Colorado’s second-largest city did follow another pattern, however: The lower the population of blacks in a municipality, the more conservative it is.

America’s most conservative town — Provo, Utah — has a 0.5 percent black population, while the most liberal city, Detroit, has 81.6 percent, Hogan noted. African-Americans account for 6.6 percent of Colorado Springs’ residents.

Local conservatives had other reasons for Colorado Springs’ ranking.

Republican Party activist Don Gierard cited the large number of military personnel and religious organizations in the city. Other areas may have more of one of the groups or the other, but few can boast the concentrated combined percentage that occupy Colorado Springs, he said.

Rep. Larry Liston, also a Republican, noted that Colorado Springs has different kinds of conservatives.

“You hear people say: ‘I’m a fiscal conservative and a social moderate.’ Or: ‘I’m a social conservative and a fiscal moderate,’” the self-dubbed “thoughtful conservative” said. “Or they’re hard right on everything.”

Local liberal activists questioned the study’s methodology.

Rankings were based on each city’s 2004 presidential vote, the one race contested in each place, Hogan said. Republican voters counted as conservatives, Democrats as liberals and third-party supporters as whatever label that party’s candidate accepted.

Richard Skorman, who is unaffiliated with a party but is the most liberal member of City Council, believes the moderate wing of the GOP is growing and a simple count of who voted for Bush doesn’t tell the full story.

Ellie Collinson, executive director of the nonpartisan but left-leaning Citizens Project, said she believes locals are more fiscally than socially conservative, defying national stereotypes of the city.

Seven other Colorado cities ranked lower on the list: Arvada (61); Westminster (79); Lakewood (85); Pueblo (107); Fort Collins (108); Aurora (161); and Denver (189).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: bushcountry; coloradosprings; redzone

1 posted on 08/12/2005 6:38:27 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man

2 posted on 08/12/2005 6:40:52 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
Hey...what a coincidence! The most liberal cities are also the ones that have the most people with their hands out!

I think I'm starting to understand what a "liberal" really looks like.

3 posted on 08/12/2005 6:43:24 PM PDT by The Duke (You want fries with that?)
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To: The Duke
Berkeley, Oakland, Inglewood.

California is well represented.

4 posted on 08/12/2005 6:45:09 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man

Credit the Air Force Academy, IMO. It's a wonderful influence, despite the cadets who are carefully screened by left-wing senators before being appointed.


5 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:13 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: The Duke
Hey...what a coincidence! The most liberal cities are also the ones that have the most people with their hands out!

And three of the top four liberal cities are consistantly battling for the #1 spot in murder rates!

6 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:27 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: The Duke
I think I'm starting to understand what a "liberal" really looks like.

You don't want to see "liberal." Most amazing thing I've ever seen... just 20 minutes south of 'Springs. I'm not native to the area but I've lived in Pueblo for four years. It's a stone-cold liberal bastion. The contrast between this town and Colorado Springs could not be more stark... conservative/liberal, prosperous/depression, beautiful/ugly, smart/stupid... on and on and on. Me, my wife and kids all look forward to the day we can move out of here and 20 minutes up the Interstate.

7 posted on 08/12/2005 6:48:42 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Reagan Man

"Rankings were based on each city’s 2004 presidential vote, the one race contested in each place, Hogan said. Republican voters counted as conservatives, Democrats as liberals and third-party supporters as whatever label that party’s candidate accepted. "

And that is what is problematic about the study.

One of their top 50 "liberal" cities was Jackson, Mississippi, which voted for that state's gay marriage ban by a margin of nearly 60%. Jackson of course, has a very large black population.

Realistically, the list should read something like

Berkeley, Austin, Ann Arbor, etc etc. The most liberal enclaves tend to be areas inhabited by wealthy lily whites.


8 posted on 08/12/2005 6:50:47 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Theodore R.; Bogey780; shanscom

----9. Lafayette, LA----

There's hope for LA after all.... pass it on.

-Dan

9 posted on 08/12/2005 6:55:53 PM PDT by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: Types_with_Fist
We're waiting on ya.


10 posted on 08/12/2005 6:56:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: The Duke; EdReform

"The most liberal cities are also the ones that have the most people with their hands out!"


That must be because they're using Braille--they can't read, you know.


anti-NEA & pro-Literacy BUMP!


11 posted on 08/12/2005 6:57:20 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Reagan Man

You lucky dog...:-)


12 posted on 08/12/2005 6:57:32 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: The Duke
I think I'm starting to understand what a "liberal" really looks like.

The liberal's hand is in your pocket so that you pay for his compassion.

13 posted on 08/12/2005 6:57:49 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: Reagan Man

I was in "Springs in June and all the talk at the hotel bar would have been described as "conservative". But these were all out-of towners talking. Granted, each in his own way was headed to the "mountain" on business so I guess the Defense connection attracts more "conservatives"


14 posted on 08/12/2005 7:01:59 PM PDT by leadhead (Itís a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: Reagan Man
California is well represented.

Yep. Bakersfield. Orange. Probably a dozen more in the top fifty conservative cities. ;)

15 posted on 08/12/2005 7:03:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Those who do not industrialize become hewers of wood and haulers of water." -- Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Reagan Man

Pikers. Texas has three cities which beat them.


16 posted on 08/12/2005 7:11:55 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Reagan Man
This - the Springs - is where Tom McClintock came to raise money during his campaign. You hear the word "Sir" here a lot, and not just among military types. The best way I can describe the atmosphere is to imagine this as 1950s Indiana.

The fact that Focus on the Family has a huge complex high on a hill overlooking the northern part of town is part of the mystique here.

Btw, regarding Pueblo, that's Mexican. Colorado Springs is American.

17 posted on 08/12/2005 7:15:08 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Reagan Man

Rank City State

1 Provo, Utah

2 Lubbock, Texas

3 Abilene, Texas

4 Hialeah, Florida

5 Plano, Texas

6 Colorado Springs, Colorado

7 Gilbert, Arizona

8 Bakersfield, California

9 Lafayette, Louisiana

10 Orange, California

11 Escondido, California

12 Allentown, Pennsylvania

13 Mesa, Arizona

14 Arlington, Texas

15 Peoria, Arizona

16 Cape Coral, Florida

17 Garden Grove, California

18 Simi Valley, California

19 Corona, California

20 Clearwater, Florida

21 West Valley City, Utah

22, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

23 Overland Park, Kansas

24 Anchorage, Alaska

25 Huntington Beach, California

26 Lancaster, California

27 Tulsa, Oklahoma

28 Rancho Cucamonga, California

29 Garland, Texas

30 Wichita, Kansas

31 Santa Clarita, California

32 Fullerton, California

33 Corpus Christi, Texas

34 Carrollton, Texas

35 Anaheim, California

36 Clarksville, Tennessee

37 Jacksonville, Florida

38 Glendale, Arizona

39 Waco, Texas

40 Pasadena, Texas

41 Chesapeake, Virginia

42 Scottsdale, Arizona

43 Springfield, Missouri

44 Fort Wayne, Indiana

45 Naperville, Illinois

46 Oceanside, California

47 Chandler, Arizona

48 Costa Mesa, California

49 Modesto, California

50 Sioux Falls, South Dakota

51 Lincoln, Nebraska

52 Mesquite, Texas

53 Thousand Oaks, California

54 Boise City, Idaho

55 Omaha, Nebraska

56 Irving, Texas

57 Livonia, Michigan

58 Baton Rouge, Louisiana

59 Springfield, Illinois

60 Evansville, Indiana

61 Arvada, Colorado

62 Houston, Texas

63 Henderson, Nevada

64 San Antonio, Texas

65 McAllen, Texas

66 Torrance, California

67 Lexington-Fayette, Kentucky

68 Irvine, California

69 Riverside, California

70 Mobile, Alabama

71 Fresno, California

72 Vancouver, Washington

73 Topeka, Kansas

74 Sterling Heights, Michigan

75 Fort Worth, Texas

76 Phoenix, Arizona

77 Palmdale, California

78 Chula Vista, California

79 Westminster, Colorado

80 Manchester, New Hampshire

81 Independence, Missouri

82, Indianapolis, Indiana

83 Montgomery, Alabama

84 Shreveport, Louisiana

85 Lakewood, Colorado

86 Waterbury, Connecticut

87 Louisville, Kentucky

88 Green Bay, Wisconsin

89 Chattanooga, Tennessee

90 Grand Prairie, Texas

91 Columbus, Georgia

92 Honolulu, Hawaii

93 Winston-Salem, North Carolina

94 Spokane, Washington

95 Albuquerque, New Mexico

96 Knoxville, Tennessee

97 Peoria, Illinois

98 Salem, Oregon

99 Newport News, Virginia

100 Huntsville, Alabama

101 Reno, Nevada

102 Ontario , California

103 Tucson, Arizona

104 Moreno Valley, California

105 San Buenaventura, California

106 Las Vegas, Nevada

107 Pueblo, Colorado

108 Fort Collins, Colorado

109 Cedar Rapids, Iowa

110 Fayetteville, North Carolina

111 Yonkers, New York

112 Charlotte, North Carolina

113 Tempe, Arizona

114 Rockford, Illinois

115 Joliet, Illinois

116 Santa Ana, California

117 Nashville-Davidson, Tennessee

118 Miami, Florida

119 San Diego, California

120 Coral Springs, Florida

121 Laredo, Texas

122 Grand Rapids, Michigan

123 El Paso, Texas

124 Warren, Michigan

125 Aurora, Illinois

126 Stockton, California

127 Beaumont, Texas

128 Augusta, Georgia

129 San Bernadino, California

130 Tampa, Florida

131 Fontana, California

132 Downey, California

133 St Petersburg, Florida

134 Orlando, Florida

135 West Covina, California

136 Little Rock, Arkansas

137 Brownsville, Texas

138 Hampton, Virginia

139 Bellevue, Washington

140 Athens, Georgia

141 Des Moines, Iowa

142 Tacoma, Washington

143 Salt Lake City, Utah

144, Virginia Beach, Virginia

145 Austin, Texas

146 Stamford, Connecticut

147 Glendale, California

148 Burbank, California

149 Pembroke Pines, Florida

150 Raleigh, North Carolina

151 Portsmouth, Virginia

152 Fort Lauderdale, Florida

153 Oxnard, California

154 North Las Vegas, Nevada

155 Columbia, South Carolina

156 Salinas, California

157 Norfolk, Virginia

158 Concord, California

159 South Bend, Indiana

160 Columbus, Ohio

161 Aurora, Colorado

162 Lowell, Massachusetts

163 Norwalk, California

164 San Jose, California

165 Hollywood, Florida

166 Greensboro, North Carolina

167 Sacramento, California

168 Long Beach, California

169 Savannah, Georgia

170 Erie, Pennsylvania

171 Tallahassee, Florida

172 Lansing, Michigan

173 Pomona, California

174 Fremont, California

175 Alexandria, Virginia

176 Sunnyvale, California

177, Kansas City, Kansas

178, Kansas City, Missouri

179 Durham, North Carolina

180 Worcester, Massachusetts

181 Santa Rosa, California

182 Cincinnati, Ohio

183 Elizabeth, New Jersey

184 Eugene, Oregon

185 Toledo, Ohio

186 Pasadena, California

187 El Monte, California

188 Richmond, Virginia

189 Denver, Colorado

190 Akron, Ohio

191 Jackson, Mississippi

192 Jackson, Mississippi

193 Syracuse, New York

194 Springfield, Massachusetts

195 Bridgeport, Connecticut

196 Dayton, Ohio

197 Vallejo, California

198 Milwaukee, Wisconsin

199 Memphis, Tennessee

200 Los Angeles, California

201 St. Paul, Minnesota

202 Rochester, New York

203 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

204 Madison, Wisconsin

205 Hayward, California

206 Dallas, Texas

207 Atlanta, Georgia

208 Daly City, California

209 Portland, Oregon

210 Jersey City, New Jersey

211 Ann Arbor, Michigan

212 Buffalo, New York

213 New Orleans, Louisiana

214 Boston, Massachusetts

215 Providence, Rhode Island

216 Minneapolis, Minnesota

217, New York, New York

218 St. Louis, Missouri

219 Birmingham, Alabama

220 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

221 Chicago, Illinois

222 Seattle, Washington

223 New Haven, Connecticut

224 Baltimore, Maryland

225 Paterson, New Jersey

226 Hartford, Connecticut

227 Cleveland, Ohio

228 Flint, Michigan

229 San Francisco, California

230 Cambridge, Massachusetts

231 Newark, New Jersey

232 Inglewood, California

233 Oakland, California

234 District of Columbia

235 Berkeley, California

236 Gary, Indiana

237 Detroit, Michigan


18 posted on 08/12/2005 7:17:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: KellyAdmirer
Btw, regarding Pueblo, that's Mexican. Colorado Springs is American.

Yes. Not my imagination then. HELP!!!

19 posted on 08/12/2005 7:19:07 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: PAR35

"Texas has three cities which beat them."

Little Texas: "God blessed Texas with his own hands..."


20 posted on 08/12/2005 7:19:51 PM PDT by goarmy (Sam Adams was a patriot AND a brewer)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
One of their top 50 "liberal" cities was Jackson, Mississippi,

Check again. Not one, but two. Jackson is on the list twice. Spots 191 and 192.

21 posted on 08/12/2005 7:22:23 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: goarmy

Dallas beat Austin as more liberal......excuse me while I laugh hysterically!


22 posted on 08/12/2005 7:25:18 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Reagan Man
Not takeing anything away from Colorado Springs but: Abilene, Texas is number 3
This just in: We're conservative Study findings are based on Abilene's voting record

By Brian Bethel / Reporter-News Staff Writer August 12, 2005

When it comes to being conservative, we're No. 3 - at least according to the Bay Area Center for Voting Research, a Berkeley, Calif., think-tank.

In a recent study that looked at which presidential candidates cities supported in 2004, Abilene is listed as a national bastion of conservative thought and a supporter of President Bush, bested only by Lubbock at No. 2 and Provo, Utah, at No. 1.

Big surprise, say self-proclaimed conservatives. And liberals, for that matter.

''Abilene has become progressively Republican over the years,'' said Dr. Roger Spier, president of the Taylor County Democratic Club. ''All you have to do is look at the results of the last election to see that.''

What it all means, however, depends on one's political point of view.

''When you travel through the district like I do x85 the conservative nature of the area is constantly reinforced,'' said 19th District U.S. Rep. Randy Neugebauer, who represents Abilene and Lubbock - and, like President Bush, is a Texas Republican. ''I think the people of West Texas are God-fearing, love America and are by nature very conservative.''

At least some liberals beg to differ.

''The Republican Party has in the main been hijacked by an ultra-conservative movement,'' Spier said. ''They're riding on the bus to crazy town, and Abilene apparently has decided to go along for the ride.''

The Bay Area Center examined 2004 presidential election returns to see how people voted in each city. The two major candidates were the victorious Bush and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, a Democrat.

From those numbers, the center found percentages that were used to determine the voting habits of each city, said Lindsay Hogan, a spokesperson for the group.

While the study does show a strong Republican vote in Abilene, at least in the presidential election, even those who espouse particular philosophies often look at such studies with suspicion.

''I don't know what liberal and conservative really mean anymore,'' said Dave Haigler, Taylor County Democratic Party chairman. ''There are a lot of so-called conservatives, for example, who are on a campaign to undermine and dismantle our three-part separation of powers, which would not seem to be a conservative effort.''

Conservative newspaper columnist Cal Thomas - whose work appears in the Reporter-News and who called Texas ''one of the most pleasant places I've ever been,'' said he tends to find such polls ''suspect.''

''I often want a better definition of what conservative and liberal means,'' he said. ''Liberals care about their families and their children, just as conservatives do.''

Abilene's overtly religious nature - it is home to three Christian universities - was cited by some as part of its conservative appeal.

Eddie Jordan, pastor of New Light Baptist Church, said he has been impressed by the city's traditionally Christian nature.

''I do think conservative values are important here,'' he said. '' ... We have people who don't share those values, of course, but overall I think Abilene is a very conservative, thoughtful place.''

Abilene Mayor Norm Achibald agreed.

''I think it has a lot to do with our longtime history of being a conservative community, our West Texas values and our religious values,'' he said.

Top 10 Conservative Cities

1. Provo, Utah

2. Lubbock

3. Abilene

4. Hialeah, Fla.

5. Plano

6. Colorado Springs, Colo.

7. Gilbert, Ariz.

8. Bakersfield, Calif.

9. Lafayette, La.

10. Orange, Calif.

Top 10 Liberal Cities

1. Detroit

2. Gary, Ind.

3. Berkeley, Calif.

4. Washington, D.C.

5. Oakland, Calif.

6. Inglewood, Calif.

7. Newark, N.J.

8. Cambridge, Mass.

9. San Francisco

10. Flint, Mich.

Source: Bay Area Center for Voting Research
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/nw_local/article/0,1874,ABIL_7959_3997110,00.html
23 posted on 08/12/2005 7:25:27 PM PDT by 76834 (There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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To: Jrabbit

"...excuse me while I laugh hysterically!"

Point taken.


24 posted on 08/12/2005 7:27:39 PM PDT by goarmy (Sam Adams was a patriot AND a brewer)
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To: Jrabbit

----Dallas beat Austin as more liberal......excuse me while I laugh hysterically!----

Definitely bullcrap, but I've been worried about Dallas since Kerry came within one point of winning it last year.

-Dan

25 posted on 08/12/2005 7:28:30 PM PDT by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: PAR35

I was wondering where Bryan-College Station fell in that category.... I think we've got Colorado Springs beat.


26 posted on 08/12/2005 7:29:28 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: PAR35

Yeah, I noticed that.

But basically, as I have already noted earlier, this is based entirely on partisan voting trends, not on actual cultural factors.

For example, I do find it believable that Mobile is the most Republican large city in the state, after all, we elected the state party chair to be our first elected Mayor in 75 years, and odder still, he had strong black support. (Municipal elections are non-partisan)

However, if the question is, are we most conservative, I'd say the answer is a qualified hell no. Now, we're not liberal by any means, but, when you get down to it, this is not the Bible Belt, something which I can't say for say Birmingham or Montgomery. Despite the fact that Montgomery County was carried by Kerry, I do think Montgomery is the most conservative of the Big Four, based on the fact that well, it is very much a Bible Belt town.

You look at some of the other cities on the list, their placement and all, and it is just out of proportion to what I know about alot of these areas, and I find it absurd that Dallas is higher on the list than Austin. Granted, Austin is full of Willie Nelson types, people who would vote for Kucinich and yet still hunt deer. This said, I don't think this makes them more conservative than Dallas, cause I have always thought of Dallas as one of the most conservative cities in the country.


27 posted on 08/12/2005 7:31:17 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: PAR35

Anchorage, Alaska, number 29? I would have thought it in the top 10. Most conservative city I've had the pleasure of visiting. Though its paper, Anchorage Daily News, is a liberal rag. Owned, not by Alaskans, but by a rich California conglomerate.

Fairbanks, our other "big" city, is not on the list. Even more conservative than Anchorage.


28 posted on 08/12/2005 8:42:27 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: AzaleaCity5691

and I find it absurd that Dallas is higher on the list than Austin.



You need to remember what the study was based upon and what it included....... For example it isn't the Dallas area or Austin area. It is very specific: the city limits of Dallas, not the metro plex or even Dallas county.

They took the 2004 Presidential election results by precinct within these city limits of the cities cited and counted them either liberal [Kerry and any left leaning 3rd parties] and conservative [Bush and right leaning 3rd parties]. From that they calculated a percentage.

Example: Dallas [city] went for Kerry 75%+ to Bush 24%+... making Dallas the 32nd most liberal city in their study.

Their website has the study in detail some 40 pages or so with the methodology. You may find some other criteria that would yeild a different result but their data supports their findings as it's displayed, imo.


29 posted on 08/12/2005 8:54:40 PM PDT by deport (If you want something bad enough, there's someone who will sell it to you. Even the truth your way.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
cause I have always thought of Dallas as one of the most conservative cities in the country.

Not any more. It is your typical big city. Remember, you start out by carving the Park Cities out of the middle of it. You still have conservatives in North and Far North Dallas, but they are outnumbered by Oak Cliff, East Dallas, West Dallas, and of course, Oak Lawn.

There might be a couple of Republicans on the City Council, but it is overwhelmingly liberal. One of the last 4 mayors was republican. The other 3 have been democrats from core constituencies.

Dallas County, on the other hand, has only one (as I recall) democrat among the officials elected county wide.

30 posted on 08/12/2005 9:07:58 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Dick Vomer

No, B-CS voted Democrat -- and very liberal Democrat at that -- for Congress in 2004. Or if the Republican candidate won B-CS, her margin was too small to win district-wide.


31 posted on 08/12/2005 9:34:25 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Flux Capacitor

Tony Sanchez defeated Rick Perry in Dallas Co. as well, I seem to recall.


32 posted on 08/12/2005 9:35:10 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: PAR35

California = 15 of the top 50 conservative cities.
California = 22 of the top 100 conservative cities.

That ought to drive home the fact that outside of the large population cesspools, California has a whole lot of conservative voters.

And should dispell the oft made claim that the state is a liberal wasteland.

Along the southern coast, four of the six counties in 2004 were red (republican); San Diego, Orange, Ventura and San Louis Obispo.

Six of the top 50 conservative cities are in Orange County, alone.

By way of population figures, San Diego and Orange counties both number about 3 million souls.


33 posted on 08/12/2005 11:23:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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