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Fundamentalist, and proud of it (Canadian Muslim cleric)
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Saturday, August 13, 2005 | Mohammed Adam

Posted on 08/13/2005 7:36:37 AM PDT by fanfan

TORONTO - Behind a veil of trees along a little-used railway in suburban Scarborough stands a nondescript building that many believe is the epicentre of Islamic fundamentalism in Canada. Inside this converted warehouse, now called the Salaheddin Islamic Centre, Aly Hindy holds sway.

Mr. Hindy left Egypt for Canada 30 years ago and went on to enjoy a successful career here as an engineer. Only late in life did he re-make himself into a spiritual leader or imam -- an imam who says that the 9/11 attacks could not have been carried out without the collaboration of U.S. security services; who refused to join 120 other Canadian imams in condemning the London transit bombings; and who denies that Muslims carried out the London bombings or that the attack was committed in the name of Islam.

"After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West had to have a new enemy. And Islam became the enemy," he said.

Incendiary, yes, but Mr. Hindy's life is a story of contradictions.

When he lived in Egypt, a country of committed Muslims, Mr. Hindy was not overly religious; only when he came to Canada, a secularized western country, did he embrace fundamentalism. He never received the kind of formal religious training in the Muslim tradition that many other imams receive, yet he sees himself a defender of traditional Islam.

"All the sects in Islam are innovation. The Prophet Mohammed didn't have sects. That's why I say I am a fundamentalist. I want to practise the religion as the Prophet practised it."

But what might surprise his critics most is that this man who was not allowed to meet with Prime Minister Paul Martin, who was excluded from the meeting by fellow Muslims, is the same person who devoted the better part of his professional life designing safety measures to protect vulnerable nuclear facilities in Ontario as well as the U.S.

The paradox -- that a man who many see as a security threat has worked in such sensitive areas -- is not lost on the imam. He still works as an engineering consultant part-time. He works at the mosque on Fridays and Sundays.

"I spent 21 years working to improve our nuclear facilities at Pickering, Bruce and Darlington. When I was designing buildings to make the society safer, people who are now saying I should be deported were probably in their diapers. I am a Canadian. My family is Canadian. My children and grandchildren are Canadian. We are part of this society. We are not going anywhere.

"I'm branded because I am helping those guys on security certificates."

In interviews conducted over several days this month, Mr. Hindy elaborated on how he sees the world. Since 9/11, he says, the "Muslim nation" has been under attack in the West. Enemies of Islam have seized on the attacks as a means to weaken the religion, he says. He is suspicious of people who talk of modernizing Islam. "The buzzword is innovation but the real message is 'abandon what you've practised for centuries and become like us'."

He proudly calls himself a fundamentalist, and argues that the word is not synonymous with terrorist. "Training people to hijack planes or bomb buildings is wrong. We don't preach violence. We are fundamentalists (in that we) believe that the religion should be practised as the Prophet Mohammed practised it. That doesn't make us extremists."

Mr. Hindy challenges many aspects of the global counterterrorism effort. It's wrong, he says, that Muslims who once spent time in Afghanistan now find themselves under a cloud of suspicion. He says people have long visited the country for legitimate reasons.

"I don't accept the argument that if somebody travels to Afghanistan he is a terrorist."

He questions the competence of security agencies, pointing out that Maher Arar and, more recently, would-be Canadian diplomat Bhupinder Liddar, were wrongly labelled security risks. Accordingly, Mr. Hindy and the Salaheddin Islamic Centre continue to offer moral and material support to people who have been detained under security certificates, but have never been charged or convicted of any crime.

The Salaheddin centre has been under closer scrutiny from security agents than any other mosque in Canada. It's easy to see why. A long list of people suspected by the government to be al-Qaeda supporters or sympathizers have found spiritual fulfilment here. The infamous Khadr family, whose patriarch was a senior al-Qaeda lieutenant, prayed here and still do.

A former principal of the centre's school, Mahmoud Jaballah, is being held on a security certificate as a threat to national security. (Some 200 children from junior kindergarten to Grade 8 study Arabic and the Koran, as well as the normal provincial curriculum.) Two former principals, Helmy Elsherief and Muayyed Nureddin were held in Egyptian and Syrian prisons for alleged ties to extremists. They were later released.

Two years ago, Mr. Hindy himself was detained for two days in Egypt -- he says at the behest of Canadian security services -- and questioned about his ties to extremists who worshipped in his mosque. He says he was released because they could find nothing against him.

Earlier this year, CSIS linked one of the original founders of Salaheddin to Ansar al-Islam, an al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq. Mr. Hindy says that just because "so-called terrorists" have prayed or worked at the Salaheddin centre, it's unfair to paint the mosque as a terrorist incubator.

David Harris, a former CSIS official, says he knows nothing about Aly Hindy and, besides, being "a doctrinal fundamentalist doesn't make one a terrorist." But he adds that the spy agency has a responsibility imposed by law to investigate if there are reasonable grounds to believe that Canada's security is under threat. "There is a reason why you have the security intelligence service."

Aly Hindy came to Canada in 1975 with a degree in engineering from Cairo's Ain Shams University. He prayed five times a day like other ordinary Muslims, but was not deeply religious. He was clean-shaven back then.

He enrolled at the University of Western Ontario and by 1979, four years after his arrival, completed both his masters and doctorate degrees in structural engineering. For two years, he worked with a company called Stone and Webster, helping design safer nuclear plants in the U.S. In 1981, he joined Ontario Hydro, which later became Ontario Power Generation.

For 21 years, until he took a buyout in 2002, he was a safety expert, designing ways to protect the province's hydro-electric dams and nuclear plants. He was part of a specialized team of about four to six experts whose task included thinking up extreme scenarios such as explosions, tornados or plane crashes in which a nuclear plant could be attacked or be incapacitated. It was the team's job to come up with design solutions that would prevent radioactive material from leaking and endangering people.

Mr. Hindy's supervisor at the time, Ari Danay, recalls how the team won a new technology award in the early 1990s for work done on the Cornwall hydro-electric dam.

"Aly Hindy was a good worker, very serious and he did very good computer simulations on safety issues at dams and nuclear reactors. His work was quite important because it was all safety related," said Mr. Danay who left Ontario Hydro in 1993.

Mr. Danay, now self-employed, said apart from the time Mr. Hindy took in between work to say his daily prayers, his religion was never an issue at work. "He was definitely a Muslim and he believed in it, but there was no issue with his religion. He was outspoken, not necessarily diplomatic, but he was never aggressive. He was pleasant and quite civilized."

Mr. Hindy got involved with Salaheddin "by chance." The centre was set up in 1994 by an Egyptian immigrant and his two Iraqi friends. One or both of the Iraqis may have been Kurds, hence the name of the centre, Salaheddin, after the famed Kurdish Muslim general known in the West as Saladin, the man who defeated the Crusaders and won back Jerusalem in the Second Crusade.

In 1996, the centre, which was looking for a home, sought to buy a building on Eglinton and Kennedy. The Egyptian, who had then fallen out with his partners, asked Mr. Hindy for financial help. The centre had about $25,000, but the building was going for $600,000. Mr. Hindy said his friend arranged to pay for the building through monthly payments and asked him not only to be the guarantor, but for help with the deposit.

A little over a year later, the Egyptian died suddenly, leaving a surprised Mr. Hindy in charge. Faced with the unexpected responsibility, he embarked on self-education, reading voraciously to build on the foundation he already had. He attended international seminars on Islamic jurisprudence and traditions given by well-respected scholars, and studied one-on-one with others.

Today Mr. Hindy performs all the jobs of an imam -- from delivering sermons and officiating at marriages and funerals, to offering counsel and making rulings according to Islamic law.

"I didn't get formal training, but I feel I have good knowledge. If I don't know anything, people will find out. You can't deceive people all the time," he said.

"If somebody says I am not qualified, I'll say 'if I am not qualified, I can give you a list of a lot of people who are not qualified."

Mr. Hindy's lack of formal training is no impediment to being an imam. Islam has no formal process of ordaining imams and there are many examples of people who studied outside the formal structures, but became respected scholars.

Obviously, the imam has to possess some knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence in order to answer questions properly and adjudicate matters correctly. But in the end, it all comes down to community acceptance.

"If he gains recognition from the people he is serving as learned and religious-oriented, he can be imam," says the Ottawa Mosque's imam Gamal Solaiman.

Tarek Fatah, a Toronto television host and founding member of the secular Muslim Canadian Congress, says Mr. Hindy is not the kind of leader Canadian Muslims want or need. He says Mr. Hindy is "medieval" and quite out of touch with the 21st century. "His view of Islam is completely different from mine. It is narrow and he can't even get along with other imams," Mr. Fatah said.

No such doubts about Mr. Hindy's fitness to lead are felt at his congregation.

Last Friday, about 1,000 people packed the mosque to hear Mr. Hindy sermonize in full voice on what it means to be Muslim. After the prayers, people jostled to shake his hand or exchange small talk. They clearly enjoyed his company.

Kassim Mohamed, a Toronto man who was targeted by Canadian security and detained in Egypt after he was found in possession of a videotape that contained shots of the CN Tower, says Mr. Hindy is the only imam in town who truly represents ordinary Muslims. He says when he got into trouble over the videotapes, Mr. Hindy was the only leader who helped him. The imam organized a rally to publicize Mr. Mohamed's plight.

"I was innocent, but I was alone and lost. I didn't know Aly Hindy, but this is the only mosque that stood by me. All the mosques knew about my situation, but no one offered help except this imam and the mosque," Mr. Mohamed said. "We come to this mosque because we feel at home."

Another worshipper, Ahmed Warsame, said the imam articulates the unspoken, "inner feelings" of many Muslims. "These people know they are good Muslims, good citizens and good neighbours but they are forced to be apologetic, defensive. They see the imam as speaking the truth on their behalf."


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; imam; muslim

1 posted on 08/13/2005 7:36:38 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...

CREDIT: Tyler Anderson, National Post
"I am a Canadian," says Imam Aly Hindy. "My family is Canadian. My children and grandchildren are Canadian. We are part of this society. We are not going anywhere."

2 posted on 08/13/2005 7:38:58 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Paul Martin will pull the covers over his head and ignore a breeding nest of hate.


3 posted on 08/13/2005 7:46:51 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: fanfan

"I am a Canadian," says Imam Aly Hindy. "My family is Canadian. My children and grandchildren are Canadian. We are part of this society. We are not going anywhere."
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Yeah, you LOOK like a Canadian too.


4 posted on 08/13/2005 7:56:37 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: fanfan

The main reason for the Minutemen to expand northward.


5 posted on 08/13/2005 7:57:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: fanfan

Id like to see this guy buried in pig $h!t up to his chin. That would wipe the smirk off his face.


6 posted on 08/13/2005 7:58:06 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: ncountylee

No, actually, they will "celebrate" this guy, because he is such a great example of "diversity" and the success of "multi culturalism."

Just as long as they are seen as "tolerant" they will tolerate anything (except right wing Christians).


7 posted on 08/13/2005 8:00:21 AM PDT by Sometimes A River (Che Guevera isn't cool)
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To: DogBarkTree

They should have asked him what he thought of the new same-sex "marriage" law that Canada just passed.

Or, what he would do once he was forced to perfom one of these "marriages" in his Mosque.


8 posted on 08/13/2005 8:01:52 AM PDT by Sometimes A River (Che Guevera isn't cool)
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To: cripplecreek
Many Canadian FReepers think the same way.

Personally, when George Bush said he would go after nations who harbor terrorists, I was hoping to see the marines here soon after.

God Bless George Bush.
9 posted on 08/13/2005 8:08:49 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Acts 2:38

LOL - Love it!


10 posted on 08/13/2005 8:09:33 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: fanfan

I'm not ready to send the marines in at this point.

John Gibson had a liberal Canadian immigration attorney on his show yesterday. The idiot was ranting about the Minutemen being a bunch of grown men, armed to the teeth seeking human targets.

The guy also claimed that Canada does a great job of keeping terrorists contained by giving them welfare and keeping an eye on them.


11 posted on 08/13/2005 8:27:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: fanfan
How was this outstanding Canadian overlooked by Paul Martin when he was scouting for a new Governor General???
12 posted on 08/13/2005 8:35:19 AM PDT by headsonpikes ("The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government.")
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To: DogBarkTree

The amusing irony here is that people like this guy are the only ones left who have the b@lls to call homosexual marriage what it is.


13 posted on 08/13/2005 8:40:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Acts 2:38
Liberalism has 2 faces. They will demand that every Christian Church perform same-sex marriages but not the mosques. You wait.

Another note. This guy is scary just because of his background..."he was a safety expert, designing ways to protect the province's hydro-electric dams and nuclear plants. He was part of a specialized team of about four to six experts whose task included thinking up extreme scenarios such as explosions, tornados or plane crashes in which a nuclear plant could be attacked or be incapacitated."

14 posted on 08/13/2005 8:46:43 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn

The clash between the Lefty "Jihad chic" crowd and the Mohammedans is inevitable.

When asked if religious institutions would be protected if they did not wish to acknowledge or perform same-sex "marriages" the Homofascist proponents said that that was something they could NOT guarantee.

The Homofascists will eventually try to force their beliefs on the Mohammedans once every Church is forced to cmply with their beliefs.


15 posted on 08/13/2005 8:51:33 AM PDT by Sometimes A River (Che Guevera isn't cool)
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To: cripplecreek
The guy also claimed that Canada does a great job of keeping terrorists contained by giving them welfare and keeping an eye on them.

Well then, I feel so much better now! /Sarc.

16 posted on 08/13/2005 9:02:01 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan
"I am Canadian,"

Maybe he can do the next Molson commercial.

17 posted on 08/13/2005 9:52:21 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: buccaneer81

LOL.


18 posted on 08/13/2005 10:02:23 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Yikes! Isn't he just the kinda guy you'd want to have supervising the design of your nuclear facilities? Are the Canadians NUTS???


19 posted on 08/13/2005 10:04:45 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: fanfan

20 posted on 08/13/2005 10:17:08 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: fanfan

"I am a Canadian," says Imam Aly Hindy. "My family is Canadian. My children and grandchildren are Canadian. We are part of this society. We are not going anywhere."




You wanna bet on that?


21 posted on 08/13/2005 10:25:41 AM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamo-fascists for the survival of Western civilization.)
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To: fanfan

"He was definitely a Muslim and he believed in it, but there was no issue with his religion. He was outspoken, not necessarily diplomatic, but he was never aggressive. He was pleasant and quite civilized."



Being outspoken and 'not necessarily diplomatic' would indicate to me that he wasn't pleasant or quite civilized to be around.


22 posted on 08/13/2005 10:29:44 AM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamo-fascists for the survival of Western civilization.)
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To: DogBarkTree


When he gets to the other side and find out he's been working for Satan that smirk will disappear soon enough. Of course, any rational human being should understand that when they praise the ones that blow themselves up on buses, in discos, in hotels, on subways, and airplanes, in restaurants, in buildings. But then, with imams like this, there is no rationality to the madness, only convert or be killed, in their minds.
23 posted on 08/13/2005 10:38:27 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: fanfan
"I want to practise the religion as the Prophet practised it."

This one is too easy. I'll let somebody else take it.
24 posted on 08/13/2005 10:42:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: Paleo Conservative

Post #20....Wow! They are twins. LOL.


25 posted on 08/13/2005 10:53:45 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: F15Eagle
"I want to practise the religion as the Prophet practised it."

This one is too easy. I'll let somebody else take it.

How old is his youngest wife? ;-)

26 posted on 08/13/2005 10:56:57 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan; Travis McGee; Fred Nerks; EdReform
Well I didn't want to say if he was going to practice it as mad mo did then he would need to take Aisha as his wife when she was 6 and he was 51 and then consumate that marriage when she was 9 and he was 54.

And then I didn't want to say anything about leading all the armed conflicts with the many deaths and such, in direct, stark contrast to what Christ did with His Disciples.

I think what we're seeing, on a more basic level, is not people being corrupted per se. Rather, as Adolph Hitler found a large group, willingly and rapidly signing on to commit horrendous crimes against others (most of which they'd never met), so too have these imams come to the forefront and are attracting others of similar mentality.

With Great Britain (formerly) letting them run free, they function as beacons for those who would rather destroy society than be part of it. Every country that does such, including France, will eventually pay a price like Great Britain did recently.
27 posted on 08/13/2005 11:09:12 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: Paleo Conservative

Very interesting. Now we know what Al Gore's real intentions were.


28 posted on 08/13/2005 11:12:44 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Be a Good Mullah Now ...)
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To: fanfan

29 posted on 08/13/2005 12:32:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Acts 2:38

It's funny: The Candians (and many here in the US, as well) are overly tolerant of the most intolerant movement in history: Islam.


30 posted on 08/13/2005 1:13:09 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Acts 2:38

"The clash between the Lefty 'Jihad chic' crowd and the Mohammedans is inevitable."

Yeah, and the lefties will surrender in a heartbeat.


31 posted on 08/13/2005 1:15:20 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: ought-six

I tend to agree with you, but they think they will be spared by the Jihadists.

Remember when Michael Moore asked Osama why he attacked NYC, when it had voted overwhelmingly for Gore?


32 posted on 08/13/2005 1:19:29 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (Che Guevera isn't cool)
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To: fanfan

Gosh, Muslim leaders do tend to have that genunine 'nutburger' look down pat, don't they? :-)


33 posted on 08/13/2005 1:21:28 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Paleo Conservative

Absolutely!


34 posted on 08/13/2005 1:23:11 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: BigFinn
I caught that part about his background as well.
Personally, I won't rest until I hear that he had an "accident"...

(or an on-purpose ;'}
35 posted on 08/13/2005 4:16:17 PM PDT by rockrr (Gregorovych Nyet!)
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To: kittymyrib
Yikes! Isn't he just the kinda guy you'd want to have supervising the design of your nuclear facilities? Are the Canadians NUTS???

Yes. :-)

Thanks for asking, BTW.

It is scary up here some times.

36 posted on 08/13/2005 4:29:19 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: F15Eagle

He looks to me as if he has discovered a way through which to finance a very expensive drug habit.


37 posted on 08/13/2005 4:59:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

well, we'll know for sure if he plays "inna-allah-da-vida" over and over on his hi-fi.

8)


38 posted on 08/13/2005 5:03:41 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: ought-six; Acts 2:38; Fred Nerks
"Yeah, and the lefties will surrender in a heartbeat."

I wonder about this: after the lefties surrender, the Muslims will ask them to amend laws to outlaw abortions, pornography, premartial sex, and alcohol. Will these surrendered lefties suddenly go pro-life, "pro-family" and dry? ;-)
39 posted on 08/14/2005 12:06:12 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK

Good heavens no, of course not! The Left doesn't want islam, they just want the muslim vote.


40 posted on 08/14/2005 12:34:40 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

"An ultimatum was issued from the local chapter of al Qaeda to Prime Minister Zapatero that if he did not abolish abortion laws and enact legislations outlawing gay marriage and alcohol by September, Madrid will cease to exist by Christmas."

Let's see how the Western Left responds to these? ;-)


41 posted on 08/14/2005 1:18:59 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK

ROTFLMBO! (with real tears in my eyes, no kidding!)


42 posted on 08/14/2005 3:30:52 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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