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Gaza Disengagement/Expulsion Live Thread
FR live thread | 7/14/2005 | none

Posted on 08/14/2005 1:25:44 PM PDT by adam_az

Edited on 08/14/2005 1:28:27 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Live thread for posting breaking news about the Gaza Explulsion which is set to begin within the hour...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: appeasement; arabs; deportation; disengagement; gaza; gushkatif; israel; judenrein; pullout; retreat; squatterremoval; suicide; terrorismpays
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To: E Rocc

" Hopefully they get treated like we'd treat MoveOn crazies who infiltrate a military base to try to block a deployment to Iraq."

Care to elaborate on that comparison?


21 posted on 08/14/2005 1:55:17 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Reborn
Aaron Klein and Mr. Batchelor were saying this was going to turn into a nasty seige. I was listening to A7 earlier and there are increasing numbers of IDF AWOL's there who don't wanna expel their fellow Jews, but fear an attack by the Palis so they are heading to Gaza to help the Settlers. Don't know how many. Also, don't forget that Druze General who let the busload of Americans into Gaza. He told those folks that the Druze soldiers want NO part of this mess.

I wonder how many soldiers are going to be able to do this when it comes down to crunch time? Also, I wonder how the terrorists will be able to keep their ever-bloody hands off of their Qassams during this time? I think they may try to hold off at first, but IF too many soldiers say that can't do it, or if it isn't going fast enough for the terrorists, then the bullets may begin to fly.

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More Elite IDF Combat Soldiers Refuse Expulsion Orders
21:29 Aug 14, '05 / 9 Av 5765

(IsraelNN.com) Two IDF soldiers in the Palsar Givati elite combat unit refused to take part in the Disengagement Plan Sunday.

One of the soldiers decided not to report to his base Sunday morning so that he could not be pressured to take part. His friend, Pinchas Jacobson, the son of the head of the Sha'alvim Yeshiva, reported to the base after informing his commanders that he would not lend a hand to the expulsion. Jacobson is now being taken to a military court.

During the protest at Kfar Maimon, three Palsar Givati soldiers refused to take part in blockading the protesters, but their commander chose to look the other way and not address the refusal.

The Lev Yehudi ("Jewish Heart") hot line, which helps advise soldiers on how to go about refusing expulsion orders, has reported a sharp spike in inquiries with the onset of the Tisha B'Av fast.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=87711

22 posted on 08/14/2005 1:55:52 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: adam_az

To Israelis: Bush will like you even more when you start selling bullets to the Palestinians.


23 posted on 08/14/2005 1:56:02 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: OpusatFR

When the Arabs will leave Jerusalem?
Pretty soon, I hope.


24 posted on 08/14/2005 1:57:23 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: agrace

they got together en masse and cried out to God.

G-d will answer their cries, although perhaps not in
the way they expect.


25 posted on 08/14/2005 1:58:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Alouette

"It's Tisha B'Av today."

Yes, a bitter irony.

It's odd that they PICKED today as the day.


26 posted on 08/14/2005 1:58:12 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Prime Choice

This isn't land for peace. No one on the other side is offering peace.

This is not disengagement. Israel and the barbarians are still intertwined.

This is delusion. This is surrender.

This is a win for terror.

This is a preview of the US in Iraq.

This is where you can start counting down to a war- in one year or ten- that will be devastating to all.


27 posted on 08/14/2005 1:58:23 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Prime Choice

This isn't land for peace. No one on the other side is offering peace.

This is not disengagement. Israel and the barbarians are still intertwined.

This is delusion. This is surrender.

This is a win for terror.

This is a preview of the US in Iraq.

This is where you can start counting down to a war- in one year or ten- that will be devastating to all.


28 posted on 08/14/2005 1:58:30 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Alouette

I know. Makes it all the more unbelievable that the powers that be picked tonight to officially start the expulsion.


29 posted on 08/14/2005 1:58:30 PM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: adam_az
I am utterly ashamed of him doing this... there is no going back once they are out.

That's what Klein and Batchelor said the other night. They said IRAN would go in there via 'local favorite terrorist group' and once in, Israel wouldn't be able to get them out without the whole thing blowing up. I saw in the news that Lebanon's thugs are planning on moving into Gaza too. What a mess.

30 posted on 08/14/2005 2:00:12 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: adam_az

FNC showing pictures, finally...


31 posted on 08/14/2005 2:01:49 PM PDT by Peach
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To: adam_az

Haaretz News Flashes
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/ShTickers.html

23:37 Two IDF soldiers caught looting evacuated house in Gaza Strip settlement (Haaretz)
23:29 IDF, settlers clash in northern W. Bank; officer evacuated with broken hand (Haaretz)
23:20 Explosions near Ganei Tal believed to be mortar shells (Haaretz)
23:14 Two large explosions heard near Gush Katif settlement of Ganei Tal (Haaretz)
23:00 Jerusalem district commander allows Yesha to hold disputed rally (Israel Radio)
22:46 Thousands from opposition groups block Cairo streets to protest Mubarak (Reuters)
22:21 Shots fired at IDF troops near West Bank village of Shweike; no injuries reported (Itim)
22:14 Kfar Yam resident announces establishment of Jewish Authority in Gaza (Israel Radio)
21:41 Bag with mobile phone, wires, anti-pullout material found in J`lem bus stop (Haaretz)
21:29 Deputy PM Ehud Olmert: Netanyahu is not fit to be prime minister (Channel 1)
21:08 Police: Yesha protest near PM`s office possible only if traffic is not disrupted (Haaretz)
21:02 Syria and Lebanon discuss implementing bilateral energy agreement (DPA)
20:52 Sharon says pullout will not be delayed, `even by one day` (Israel Radio)
20:31 Anti-pullout legal forum to High Court: Cancel ban on entry into Gaza (Israel Radio)
20:10 Police refuse to authorize rally pullout foes planning outside PM`s office (Army Radio)
20:05 PM meets IDF Chief, Mofaz, Herzog, police chief for pullout consultations (Haaretz)
18:45 Iran calls for talks with EU on uranium enrichment, says won`t stop conversion (AP)
18:25 PM meets with team of 5 rabbis calling for the cancellation of pullout (Israel Radio)
17:55 Israel cuts off bus service to Gush Katif for first time in decades (AP)


32 posted on 08/14/2005 2:03:19 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az

Kinda wierd that this is launched on the 9th of Av, no?


33 posted on 08/14/2005 2:03:38 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: adam_az

Holding my breath over this. Prayers for all of Israel.


34 posted on 08/14/2005 2:03:58 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Sabramerican

"This is delusion. This is surrender.
This is a win for terror."

Let's not exaggerate. As much as I dislike the way it's done, Israel has no interest in the garbage dump called Gaza. Moving 8000 is no big deal, even if I sympathise with their ordeal.
Judea and Samaria is another story.


35 posted on 08/14/2005 2:05:20 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Reborn
John Batchelor and his crew understand the enormous consequences of this pullout, as well as the unreported rumblings with Iran. I encourage others to listen to his great show on the net (WABC radio NY 10PM EDT) or on Satellite radio (9PM EDT), as I believe he's only on in NY, Boston, and DC stations.
36 posted on 08/14/2005 2:05:23 PM PDT by Shqipo (Doing what I can to turn Maine back to Red.)
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To: adam_az

After this, the pressure will be to yield the West Bank. Inch by inch, by inch....


37 posted on 08/14/2005 2:05:46 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Alouette

When exactly did Tisha B'Av begin? Was it at sundown tonight in Israel?


38 posted on 08/14/2005 2:06:13 PM PDT by Hischild
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To: Diddle E. Squat

"Though apparently some do(!), I wouldn't call it an "Explusion" either."

And right you are. An expulsion it is not. Their stay on Gaza and the West Bank was a temporary stay since it never was their lands. A better way of putting it would be a "transfer of population" or an even better one, "rectification of frontiers."


39 posted on 08/14/2005 2:07:03 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: adam_az

Should be titled: "Giving in to terrorism."


40 posted on 08/14/2005 2:07:08 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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