Skip to comments.Iranian Alert - August 14, 2005 - President Bush to Iran: We've used Force before
Posted on 08/14/2005 7:13:44 PM PDT by freedom44
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In a stern warning to Iran, President Bush said "all options are on the table" if the Iranians refuse to comply with international demands to halt their nuclear program, pointedly noting he has already used force to protect U.S. security.
Bush's statement in an interview on Israeli TV late Friday was unusually harsh. He previously said diplomacy should be used to persuade Iran to suspend its nuclear program and if that failed then the U.N. Security Council should impose sanctions.
The U.S. government and others fear Iran's nuclear work is secretly designed to produce nuclear weapons. Iran's leaders deny that, saying it is only for the generation of electricity.
In Vienna, Austria, where the IAEA is based, diplomats said Iran faced a Sept. 3 deadline to stop uranium conversion or face possible referral to the Security Council, which has the power to impose crippling sanctions. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity.
Iran, which insists its nuclear program is peaceful, responded with indignation to the warning.
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said Saturday he would not support U.S. military action against Iran. "Let's by all means develop a strong negotiating position, but take the military option off the table," Schroeder said.
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I've stopped paying attention to talk.
Nations act, or they don't. It is thoroughly uninteresting to analyze statements.
Sort of a "learn to love the bomb" situation...
"Let's by all means develop a strong negotiating position, but take the military option off the table."
What an unbelievable statement.
What an unbelievable statement.
Yeah it sort of makes the search for a "strong negotiating position" impossible. What's happened to the Europeans lately? (other than them putting their heads up ther a** all the time?)
Do you prefer analyzing the sound of gunfire? Kind of tough to do on a blog... LOL
Let's all hope that it doesn't come to war with Iran. I don't want to think about our soldiers having to deal with human waves of children with explosives.... the Iranian government, if possible, has even less respect for individual lives than Saddam and they do it in a way that would likely force us to kill large quantities of young boys.
Welcome to FR.
Just consider the source.
Our wonderful comrades-in-arms, Germany...who have been caught red-handed along with our many other 'friends' making huge profits supplying nuclear materiale to Iran.
It's all an act anyway. Military is least desirable option.
We get them "in the tent" and it's all downhill for the other Arab countries on our list.
Total annhilation is not on the favorites list any more.
where do you think all the insurgents over there are from? where do you think all the weapons and explosives are coming from? we are already in an unannounced war with Iranian Islamic Fundamentalists. Prediction...Israel as per their stated policy will not allow Iran to continue their enrichment. They are walling off the Gaza strip right now in preparation for a full air strike on Nuclear facilities in Iran. Bush has stated that force is still one option because he knows it is inevitable. Meanwhile everyone else is still touting negotiations and sanctions which have never worked with any middle eastern country. Also, China has already announced that it will not support santions. Iraq was under sanctions for years. Did they have any trouble getting oil? USA will claim no advance knowledge of the Israeli air strike. Israel will claim that it acted alone. US will have no choice but to provide material support for our ally. Shit...fan...
I sincerely doubt it. If they do they are incredibly misguided. An Iranian bomb could significantly extend the life of this regime as terrorism and the threat of it has done. Besides, every time an Iran expert says, it can't get worse than this (IE if Iran gets the bomb the West can fix it)... it always does get worse. I've heard domestic reports of enthusiasm for Iran's nuclear program and to me they look coerced if not completely fabricated. Some Iranian expats (automatically qualifying them as experts) assume that the West will face up to tough talking Iranians today; by first assuming the West was fooled by the likes of reformers of yesterday. Those so called reformers were just as active in the nuclear program as the so called hardliners are today. What's changed is that the new guys are more likely to push the situation over the edge....
I disagree. Either the U.S. or Isreal will takeout Iran is some way before they have a complete bomb.
Iran is a dicey issue. I probably won't be against a war if it becomes absolutely necessary and all other options are exhausted, but I hope and pray that doesn't happen.
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In the world of nuclear proliferation, history demonstrates that there is a lag time between the time a country has a bomb, and the time the world knows they have a bomb. It runs about 18 years... The reasons for this are complex but have much to do with diplomatic, risk benefit analysis. But history has never been and never will be a "definitive" guide to the future. However it has useful lessons:
BBC - 1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.
Tells us that:
1. Iran would be much more difficult to hit than Tuwaitah 2. Targeting facilities that represent a threat to freedom in the West, does not particularly translate into more freedom for the people who reside in the threatening state. 3. We can't gurantee we've hit all of the threatening facilities.
But let me step back for a moment... you did say "in some way" not having qualified the way you are talking about, I hope you're right. I hope we are in possession of the non-proliferation wand because Elbaradei definitely doesn't have one...
BTW, did the NSA recruit Harry Potter yet?... JK
Not sure you're understanding the outcome of a nuclear reactor. Yes it produces power and power is not a threat. The threat comes from the enriched uranium that the reactor produces (while generated power) that is needed to make a nuclear bomb.
When a tyrannical Iranian mullah say he doesn't want to make a nuclear bomb he's lying.
Trusting them to tell the truth is not an option. After all Iran has an unlimited oil supply! Why do they need nuclear power?
So we'll definitely take out the nuclear reactor (or Israel will) before it comes on line, to save the entire free world from being held hostage by these mullahs and their kind.
The fallout from our air strike will be tolerable, more so than the fallout from their bomb.
Did you see what Dean said today on natl TV? That the US is to weak to fight Iran.
Sorry, I guess I don't get it. Would you mind clarifying what's this about?
Snipers roll with spotters but that doesn't imply the snipers blind does it?
Here is a list of sites freely available on the internet...I am sure that our government has a much better one. If they do strike, it is going to be one hell of a strike. It will be very hard for US to say Israel acted alone without our support. search satellite imagery iran nuclear facilities. there are all sorts of satellite images available with analysis.
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Alphabetical list of suspect entity records:
7th of Tir Industrial Complex
Abdollah Nagash Souratgar
Advanced Manufacturing Research Center
Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO)
Aerospace Research Institute
Ahwaz Steel Commercial and Technical Service GmbH
Air Force Technology and Electronics Center (MATSA)
Al Yusuf Universal Import-Export Establishment (AUIE)
Alnasim Control Company
Amirkabir University of Technology
Ammunition and Metallurgy Industry Group
Armament Industries Group
Associated Fadir Industries Factories (AFIF)
Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI)
Aviation Industries Group
Aviation Industries of Iran (SAHA)
Aviation University Complex (AUC)
Azmayesh Factories Company
Bagh Shian (Almehdi) Missile Industries
Bakeri Missile Industries Factory
Baqeri Base Factory, No. 1
Baqeri Base Factory, No. 2
Baqeri Base Factory, No. 3
Baqerololum Missile Research Center
Bashir Industrial Complex
Bonab Atomic Energy Research Center
Bonyad e-Mostazafan Foundation
Bu-Ali Sina University
Center for Education and Training (CE&T)
Center for Research and Educational Services (CRES)
Chemical and Pharmaceutical Industries
Chemical Industries Group
Chemical Research and Development Company (CRDC)
Commercial Company 209
Company of M&J
Defense Industries Organization (DIO)
Defense Technology and Science Research Center (DTSRC)
Djavand (Iran Fair Deal Company Ltd.) (Tehran)
Doroud Industry Complex (Khorramabad)
Educational and Research Institute (ERI)
Electro-Optics Division (EOD)
Electronics Components Industries (ECI)
Engineering and Development Projects Division (EDPD)
Farayaz Chemical Research and Development Company (FCRDC)
Fars Chemical Industries Company
Foreign Procurement Department (FPDE) of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI)
Fuel Fabrication Labratory (FFL)
Ghoods Research Center
Guide Oil Equipment Company
Hadid Industries Company
Ibn-e Heysam Research and Laboratory Complex
Idro Trading Company
Imam Hussein University of the Revolutionary Guards
Industrial Development and Renovation Organization of Iran (IDRO)
Industrial Development Group (Tehran)
Industrial International Movalled Andishe Company (IMACO)
Industrial Management Organization (IMO)
Information Systems of Iran (ISIRAN)
Instrumentation Factories Plant
Iran Aircraft Industries (IACI)
Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries (IAMI/IAMCO/HESA/HASA)
Iran Communications Industries (ICI)
Iran Electronics Industries (IEI)
Iran Electronics Industries Institute (IEII)
Iran Group of Surveyors (Tehran)
Iran Helicopter Support and Renewal Industries (IHSRI) (PONHA)
Iran Khodro Company
Iran Navy Technical Supply Center (Bandar Bushehr/Bandar Abbas)
Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)
Iran Tehran Kohakd Daftar Nezarat
Iranian Diesel Engine Manufacturing Company (IDEM)
Iranian Research Organization for Science and Technology (IROST)
Isfahan (Esfahan) Nuclear Technology Center
Isfahan Alloy Steel Complex (EASC)
Isfahan Ammunition Factory
Isfahan Chemical Industries
Isfahan Optics Industry (EOI) (IOI)
Isfahan Zarrin Khodro Vehicle Industries
ISIRAN Industries Institute
Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories (JHL)
Jamshidnezhad, Dr. Drush
Jehad Daneshgahi Organization
K. N. Toosi University of Technology
Kalaye Electric Company
Karaj Nuclear Research Centre for Medicine and Agriculture
Khorasan Metallurgy Industries
Khoshomi Uranium Mine (Yazd)
Laser Research Center
Lavizan-Shian Technological Research Center
M/S Ray Textile Industries
Machine Sazi Arak (MSA)
Machine Sazi Pars Company
Machine Sazi Tabriz
Machine Tools Service Center Company (MTSCC)
Malek Ashtar University
Marine (Goolaee) Industries Group
Mesbah Energy Company
Ministry of Defense Armed Forces Logistics (MODAFL)
Mobarakeh Steel Complex
Molybdenum, Iodine and Xenon Radioisotope Production Facility
Mostafa Khomeini Base Factory
National Iranian Industries Organization (NIIO)
National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC)
Naval University of Imam Khomeini
Niru Battery Company
Nouz Battery Manufacturing Company (NOOR)
Novin Puneh Company
Nuclear Research Center at Tehran University
Owj Industrial Complex
Pajouheshi Electron Company
Parchin Chemical Factories
Parchin Missile Industrial Production Group
Pars Garma Company
Pars Minoo Ind. Co.
Pars Trash Company
Pasteur Institute of Iran
Physics Research Center (PHRC)
Qadiri Base Factory
Qods Aviation Industries
Rashidian, Abdol Hamid
Razi Petrochemical Company (RPC)
Research Center for Genetic Biotechnology
Research Institute for Iranian Defense Industries
Revolutionary Guards Baqiyatollah Research Center
Sadadja Industrial Group
Saghand Uranium Mine
Sail Trading Services
Saltanat-Abad Missile Center
Sanam Industries Group
Sanam Projects Management (SPM)
Sanaye Khodro Sazi (SKS)
Sasadja Moavenate Bazargani
Sasadja Moavenate Mohandesi
Sayiden Industries Company
Sepehr Research and Technological Institute
Shahid Babaie Industries Complex (SBIC)
Shahid Bagheri Industrial Group
Shahid Beheshti Complex, Gam Plant (ICI/GAM)
Shahid Chamran Hospital
Shahid Darvishi Marine Industries
Shahid Dastvareh Research Complex
Shahid Hassan Bagheri Industrial Factories Group (SHBIFG)
Shahid Hemat Industrial Group (SHIG)
Shahid Kuladooz Industrial Complex
Shahid Sattari Air Force University
Shahid Shafizadeh Industrial Complex (SSIC)
Shahid Shahabadi Industrial Complex
Shahid Shaheabady Research Center
Sharif University of Technology
Shiraz Electronics Industries
Sobhani, Seyed Kharim Ali
Special Industries Group (MIDSPCIG)
State Purchasing Organization
Sub-surface Research Center
Supreme National Defense University
Tabarestan Steel Foundry
Tabriz Bakeri Base Factory
Tabriz Petrochemical Company
Tactical Communications Research Center
Tavan Gostar Company
Tehran University of Medical Sciences (TUMS)
Toli Tech, Inc.
Tolid Dard Company (TOLID)
Trojack, Henry Joseph
University of Science and Defense Technology (USDT)
Uranium Chemistry Labratory (UCL)
Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF)
Vanak Missile Center
Vehicle and Equipment Industries Group (VEIG)
Waste Disposal Site at Qom
Ya Ali Industrial Center
Ya Mahdi Industrial Research Complex (YMA)
OMG... The humanity! Anything but UN crippling sanctions!! Poor little energy starved Iran would never survive that kind of hollowcost!!!
Sweet list... The Iranians are betting the farm that we are going to sit by and watch while they gear up for war with us. Inshallah! The Iranians against this madness will post the lat-long and depth of ALL of their threatening facilities.
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Schroder is being an ass again and making counter-productive statements designed for domestic political consumption. Fischer of Germany was more responsible than Schroder when he said he hoped the negotations with Iran don't end in a "fatal conclusion." I know English is Fischer's second language, but I'm sure he knows the meaning of the word fatal and he's referring to a military strike by the US, Israel, and possibly NATO that would terminate the present regime in Iran.
Iranians are ethnic Persians are in no way related to Arabs.
Nuclear talks won't take USA any where.
The USA and Europe need to focus on human rights crisis in Iran in order to get some footholds among people too!
Most of these locations have no relation with their Nuclear program
well, which ones do? tell us if you know. (just kidding) the sites listed there were on iranwatch.org as having something to do with some part of the process. It looks like some of them are universities or businesses. didn't berkley run los alamos in this country until recently? Obviously I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the sites listed though. I was just trying to make the point that if this much is available on the internet on a google search, I am sure there is a better list available to our own government. Fair?
Former US Embassy in Tehran
The Citizens of Iran probably have more positive thoughts about the USA than half of our Senators.I think you read something into my post that I did not intend. I completely support staying in Iraq and in the war against terror as long as that may take. I am thinking 5-10 years seems likely.
.... Our War is against Radical Islamic Terrorists, not any Country or Race, it has no Geographic or Political Boundaries.
If War requires killing large quantities, then it requires killing large quantities, War is War, hasn't changed on the battlefield for thousands of years.
.... You sell Iran short, you sell the US short and your lack of conviction is evidence that you sell yourself short.
I have friends in Iraq. I have family in Iraq. What I said was that I don't want them to have to deal with human wave attacks of children, like the Iranian government used in their last war.
That is how I feel. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
Now, if we have to go to war with Iran, then so be it. Our men and women in uniform will do us proud. And I will support them.
It's not even obvious to me that Iran is the most likley next military confrontation - that may be Syria.
What a great play on words.
If true, that is HUGE. Resistance of a serious kind might be beginning. Please post a link if you have the story. It was only a brief blurb on the front page of the WSJ either last week or the week before. Hit your ping list with it.
Now go reset you trap!!! (no, I din't say go shut yer trap!)(smirk)(I know. I'm wiping it off my face)
We, in Iran, hope that the clash between the US and Iranian Mullahs won't end up in disintegration of our country!
Bomb the Mullahs but watch for civilians who even have nothing to do with the regime!
All we want is a bit of freedom to breath.
That is all!
Give us support and we will kill the regime shortly.
No need to bomb my country!
I'm sure that Rumsfeld and company have contingency plans, especially given that Afghanistan was essentially taken with around 100 spec ops forces, local militias and surgical air strikes.
i hope so
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