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Most liberal and conservative cities listed...is your's among them?
Bay Area Center for Voting Research | 8-16 | Study

Posted on 08/16/2005 5:52:26 AM PDT by meandog

NEW STUDY RANKS AMERICA’S MOST LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE CITIES

Detroit tops liberal list; Provo, UT most conservative

BERKELEY, CA – A new nationwide study released today by the nonpartisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research (BACVR) ranks the political leanings of every American city and finds that Detroit, Michigan is the most liberal and Provo, Utah the most conservative.
In all, the BACVR researchers examined voting patterns of 237 American cities with populations of over 100,000 and ranked them each on liberal and conservative scales.
The list of America’s most liberal cities is dominated by cities with large African American populations that are concentrated in the Northeast, Midwest and California. Conversely, the study found that the staunchest conservative cities are clustered in the South and interior West and have extremely low numbers of African American residents.
“Detroit and Provo epitomize America’s political, economic and racial polarization,” said Jason Alderman, a BACVR researcher. “As the most conservative city in America, Provo is overwhelmingly white and solidly middle class. This is in stark contrast to Detroit, which is impoverished, black and the most liberal.” Gary, Indiana, a rust belt former steel town, comes in as America’s second most liberal city, followed by Berkeley, California, which ranks third. Washington, D.C. comes in as the fourth most liberal and Oakland, California comes in fifth.
On the list of the nation’s most conservative cities, Texas cements its reputation as America’s most rock-ribbed state, having three cities in the top five. Lubbock and Abilene, Texas rank as the second and third most conservative cities, respectively, followed by Hialeah, Florida in fourth place and Plano, Texas in fifth.

BACVR researchers found a direct correlation between a city’s political ideology and its racial makeup. “The great political divide in America today is not red vs. blue, north vs. south, costal vs. interior or even rich vs. poor – it is now clearly black vs. white,” said Phil Reiff, a BACVR director.
“While there are a few liberal cities without large African American populations, these wind up being the exceptions. College towns like Berkeley and Cambridge have modest black populations but remain bastions of upper middle-class, white, intellectual liberalism. These liberal white communities, however, are more reminiscent of penguins clustering together around a shrinking iceberg than of a vibrant and growing political movement,” Reiff said.
The Bay Area Center for Voting Research is a nonpartisan think tank based in Berkeley, California. A full copy of the report and the complete list of rankings for all 237 cities are available at www.votingresearch.org.

America’s 25 Most Liberal Cities
(in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Detroit Michigan
2 Gary Indiana
3 Berkeley California
4 Washington, D.C. Dist. of Columbia
5 Oakland California
6 Inglewood California
7 Newark New Jersey
8 Cambridge Massachusetts
9 San Francisco California
10 Flint Michigan
11 Cleveland Ohio
12 Hartford Connecticut
13 Paterson New Jersey
14 Baltimore Maryland
15 New Haven Connecticut
16 Seattle Washington
17 Chicago Illinois
18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania
19 Birmingham Alabama
20 St. Louis Missouri
21 New York New York
22 Providence Rhode Island
23 Minneapolis Minnesota
24 Boston Massachusetts
25 Buffalo New York



America’s 25 Most Conservative Cities
(in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Provo Utah
2 Lubbock Texas
3 Abilene Texas
4 Hialeah Florida
5 Plano Texas
6 Colorado Springs Colorado
7 Gilbert Arizona
8 Bakersfield California
9 Lafayette Louisiana
10 Orange California
11 Escondido California
12 Allentown Pennsylvania
13 Mesa Arizona
14 Arlington Texas
15 Peoria Arizona
16 Cape Coral Florida
17 Garden Grove California
18 Simi Valley California
19 Corona California
20 Clearwater Florida
21 West Valley City Utah
22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma
23 Overland Park Kansas
24 Anchorage Alaska
25 Huntington Beach California


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Some surprises for me: Gary, Ind., and Detroit edging out Berkeley and Washington; Brimingham, Buffalo, Providence,Cleveland on liberal list ?... Huntington Beach, Garden Grove on conservative list?
1 posted on 08/16/2005 5:52:27 AM PDT by meandog
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To: meandog

Damn, not a single Virginia city made EITHER list...


2 posted on 08/16/2005 5:55:57 AM PDT by CTOCS (This space left intentionally blank...)
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To: meandog

Bakersfield = #8 on Conservative list.

It might be surprising how many conservatives are in California.


3 posted on 08/16/2005 5:57:07 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: meandog

CCINO (prounouched Cheeno) - - Conservative City In Name Only

Home to alot of RINO's


4 posted on 08/16/2005 5:57:49 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Utah Girl

Here ya go...


5 posted on 08/16/2005 5:58:05 AM PDT by glock rocks (Let's light this candle.)
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To: meandog
Some surprises for me: Gary, Ind., ... on liberal list ?...

Surprised me as well. I suspect that Gary has become Chicago's overflow area.

6 posted on 08/16/2005 5:58:37 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: meandog

The City of Evil (Ithica) is not on the list??????? Give me a break.


7 posted on 08/16/2005 5:59:24 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: meandog

I can't believe that Richmond, Virginia didn't make the top 25 conservative list!


8 posted on 08/16/2005 5:59:37 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: meandog

Woo hoo! Cape Coral representin'!


9 posted on 08/16/2005 5:59:43 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: RepublicanMensan

The City of Richmond isn't all that conservative, it's the West End which is technically Henrico county that is conservative.


10 posted on 08/16/2005 6:00:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Always Right

Indeed. Why is New York so low?...


11 posted on 08/16/2005 6:01:53 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: meandog

I was born and raised near Allentown PA. There's no way it's among the Top 25 conservative cities - while it was Pat Toomey's district I believe it also went for Kerry in 2004. That must be an error.


12 posted on 08/16/2005 6:02:01 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: meandog

Looks like lists of the 25 largest cities(liberal) and the 25 smallest.(conservative)
Must have been massive voter fraud for the elections to turn out the way they did!
/sarc


13 posted on 08/16/2005 6:02:40 AM PDT by Straight8 (It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know what you can't do!)
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To: meandog

Subject: History explained

Humans existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gathers. They
lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and, would go to the coast
and live on fish and lobster in winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer
and the invention of the wheel.

The wheel was invented to get men to the beer.

These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups: Liberals
and Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered it required grain, and that was the beginning of
agriculture.

Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our
early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be invented,
they just stayed close to the brewery.

That's how villages were formed. Some men spent their days tracking and
killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer.

This was the beginning of what is known as "the Conservative movement."

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off
the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's doing the sewing,
fetching and hair dressing.

This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men
eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as "girlymen".


Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the
invention of group therapy and group hugs, and the concept of Democratic
voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives
provided.

Over the years, conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most
powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the
jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white
wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well
done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.


Another interesting revolutionary side note: most of their women have higher
testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury
attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are
liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it
wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer.
They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are
big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen,
medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes,
and generally anyone who works productively outside government.


Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work
for a living. Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the
producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe
Europeans are more enlightened than Americans are. That is why most of the
liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America.
Liberals crept in after the Wild West was tamed, and created a business of
trying to get MORE for nothing. Here ends today's lesson in world history.


14 posted on 08/16/2005 6:02:52 AM PDT by ElCapusto (For ENGLISH, press one.)
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To: bannie

oh yea? so why is their government so liberal?


15 posted on 08/16/2005 6:07:52 AM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: RepublicanMensan
I can't believe that Richmond, Virginia didn't make the top 25 conservative list!

...with Mayor Douglas L. Wilder?

16 posted on 08/16/2005 6:08:09 AM PDT by meandog (FOR LURKING DUers)
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To: meandog
St Louis edges out NYC, Providence, & Boston?!?!?

Looks like wishful thinking to me.

17 posted on 08/16/2005 6:09:15 AM PDT by Milhous
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To: meandog
8 Cambridge Massachusetts

Cambridge? I am not so sure. The center of Political Correctness is Newton. Cambridge is far behind, even if it has some leftists distributiong their propaganda on the street corners.

19 posted on 08/16/2005 6:10:09 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! ")
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To: NittanyLion

Same story as you and I was thinking the same thing.


20 posted on 08/16/2005 6:11:15 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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To: meandog

bump


21 posted on 08/16/2005 6:11:43 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: meandog

Texas Bump!


22 posted on 08/16/2005 6:13:28 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: meandog

Madison, Wi didn't make liberal list. Hmmmm, Shudda been there in late 60's.


23 posted on 08/16/2005 6:13:33 AM PDT by nedlbndr
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To: MEG33

God bless Texas!


24 posted on 08/16/2005 6:17:07 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: meandog
Huntington Beach, Garden Grove on conservative list?


Yes! Orange, California is always a Red County!
25 posted on 08/16/2005 6:20:21 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: meandog
“As the most conservative city in America, Provo is overwhelmingly white and solidly middle class. This is in stark contrast to Detroit, which is impoverished, black and the most liberal.”

Sometimes when you add 2 and 2, you get 4. It's a miracle. Conservative ideology means working for what you get, respecting the rule of life, law and other people's property, and liberal ideology means handouts, dependency, victimhood, welfare, and no personal responsibility. There is no surprise the demographics break this way, it's how the "new" civil rights movement has indoctrinated blacks everywhere across the country as part of the Great Society.

26 posted on 08/16/2005 6:21:36 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: meandog
Shame on me for skipping today's lesson by jumping directly to the list. Today's lesson illustrates the leftist plantation:

upper middle-class, white, intellectual == liberal

poor black == liberal

27 posted on 08/16/2005 6:24:21 AM PDT by Milhous
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To: A. Pole

Cambridge is a city ... Newton is an exclusive white suburb.


28 posted on 08/16/2005 6:24:23 AM PDT by Pio (Vatican II, thy name is Modernism, Madness and Death.)
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To: meandog
I work close to Baltimore Maryland, they should build a wall around this freakin Zoo of a city and not let anyone in or out. I would bet that more than half the residence have some sort of criminal record.

A mass exodus of the working class has already happened here due to Liberal politics. Baltimore is a prime example of urban disintegration due to socialism and political correctness.

Residents who remain are afraid to testify in open court in fear of retribution so murderers and common criminals walk free among them. According to the FBI, Baltimore ranks very high nationally for violent crime, homicide, etc.


The mayor is Martin O'Malley, a total liberal pig. Definitely not a place to raise your children.
29 posted on 08/16/2005 6:24:54 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: CTOCS
Damn, not a single Virginia city made EITHER list...

I noticed that and wonder why Norfolk, Virginia Beach etc were left out.

30 posted on 08/16/2005 6:24:56 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: meandog

It's odd that NOBODY seems to print the entire list??

Almost nobody!

A new study by the Bay Area Center for Voting Research ranks the nation’s 237 cities with populations of more than 100,000 in two categories...most politically conservative and liberal.


America's Most Liberal Cities

1 - - Detroit, Michigan
2 - - Gary, Indiana
3 - - Berkeley, California
4 - - District of Columbia
5 - - Oakland. California
6 - - Inglewood, California
7 - - Newark, New Jersey
8 - - Cambridge, Massachusetts
9 - - San Francisco, California
10- - Flint, Michigan
11- - Cleveland, Ohio
12- - Hartford, Connecticut
13- - Paterson, New Jersey
14- - Baltimore, Maryland
15- - New Haven, Connecticut
16- - Seattle, Washington
17- - Chicago, Illinois
18- - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
19- - Birmingham, Alabama
20- - St. Louis, Missouri
21- - New York, New York
22- - Providence, Rhode Island
23- - Minneapolis, Minnesota
24- - Boston, Massachusetts
25- - Buffalo, New York
26- - New Orleans, Louisiana
27- - Ann Arbor, Michigan
28- - Jersey City, New Jersey
29- - Portland, Oregon
30- - Daly City, California
31- - Atlanta, Georgia
32- - Dallas, Texas
33- - Hayward, California
34- - Madison, Wisconsin
35- - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
36- - St. Paul, Minnesota
37- - Los Angeles, California
38- - Rochester, New York
39- - Memphis, Tennessee
40- - Milwaukee, Wisconsin
41- - Vallejo, California
42- - Dayton, Ohio
43- - Bridgeport, Connecticut
44- - Springfield, Massachusetts
45- - Syracuse, New York
46- - Jackson, Mississippi
47- - Jackson, Mississippi
48- - Akron, Ohio
49- - Denver, Colorado
50- - Richmond, Virginia
51- - El Monte, California
52- - Pasadena, California
53- - Toledo, Ohio
54- - Eugene, Oregon
55- - Elizabeth, New Jersey
56- - Cincinnati, Ohio
57- - Santa Rosa, California
58- - Worcester, Massachusetts
59- - Kansas City, Missouri
60- - Kansas City, Kansas
61- - Durham, North Carolina
62- - Sunnyvale, California
63- - Alexandria, Virginia
64- - Fremont, California
65- - Tallahassee, Florida
66- - Pomona, California
67- - Lansing, Michigan
68- - Erie, Pennsylvania
69- - Savannah, Georgia
70- - Long Beach, California
71- - Sacramento, California
72- - Greensboro, North Carolina
73- - Hollywood, Florida
74- - San Jose, California
75- - Norwalk, California
76- - Lowell, Massachusetts
77- - Aurora, Colorado
78- - Columbus, Ohio
79- - Concord, California
80- - Norfolk, Virginia
81- - Salinas, California
82- - Columbia, South Carolina
83- - South Bend, Indiana
84- - North Las Vegas, Nevada
85- - Oxnard, California
86- - Fort Lauderdale, Florida
87- - Portsmouth, Virginia
88- - Raleigh, North Carolina
89- - Pembroke Pines, Florida
90- - Burbank, California
91- - Glendale, California
92- - Stamford, Connecticut
93- - Austin, Texas
94- - Virginia Beach, Virginia
95- - Salt Lake City, Utah
96- - Tacoma, Washington
97- - Des Moines, Iowa
98- - Athens, Georgia
99- - Bellevue, Washington
100 - Hampton, Virginia
101 - Brownsville, Texas
102 - Little Rock, Arkansas
103 - West Covina, California
104 - Orlando, Florida
105 - St Petersburg, Florida
106 - Downey, California
107 - Fontana, California
108 - Tampa, Florida
109 - San Bernadino, California
110 - Augusta, Georgia
111 - Beaumont, Texas
112 - Stockton, California
113 - Aurora, Illinois
114 - Warren, Michigan
115 - Laredo, Texas
116 - El Paso, Texas
117 - Grand Rapids, Michigan
118 - Coral Springs, Florida
119 - San Diego, California
120 - Miami, Florida
121 - Nashville-Davidson, Tennessee
122 - Santa Ana, California
123 - Joliet, Illinois
124 - Rockford, Illinois
125 - Charlotte, North Carolina
126 - Tempe, Arizona
127 - Yonkers, New York
128 - Fayetteville, North Carolina
129 - Cedar Rapids, Iowa
130 - Reno, Nevada
131 - Fort Collins, Colorado
132 - Pueblo, Colorado
133 - Las Vegas, Nevada
134 - San Buenaventura, California
135 - Moreno Valley, California
136 - Tucson, Arizona
137 - Ontario, California
138 - Huntsville, Alabama
139 - Newport News, Virginia
140 - Salem, Oregon
141 - Peoria, Illinois
142 - Knoxville, Tennessee
143 - Spokane, Washington
144 - Winston-Salem, North Carolina
145 - Albuquerque, New Mexico
146 - Honolulu, Hawaii
147 - Columbus, Georgia
148 - Grand Prairie, Texas
149 - Chattanooga, Tennessee
150 - Green Bay, Wisconsin
151 - Louisville, Kentucky
152 - Waterbury, Connecticut
153 - Lakewood, Colorado
154 - Montgomery, Alabama
155 - Indianapolis, Indiana
156 - Shreveport, Louisiana
157 - Independence, Missouri
158 - Westminster, Colorado
159 - Manchester, New Hampshire
160 - Chula Vista, California
161 - Palmdale, California
162 - Sterling Heights, Michigan
163 - Fort Worth, Texas
164 - Topeka, Kansas
165 - Vancouver, Washington
166 - Fresno, California
167 - Mobile, Alabama
168 - Riverside, California
169 - Irvine, California
170 - Lexington-Fayette, Kentucky
171 - Torrance, California
172 - Phoenix, Arizona
173 - McAllen, Texas
174 - Arvada, Colorado
175 - San Antonio, Texas
176 - Henderson, Nevada
177 - Houston, Texas
178 - Springfield, Illinois
179 - Evansville, Indiana
180 - Livonia, Michigan
181 - Baton Rouge, Louisiana
182 - Irving, Texas
183 - Omaha, Nebraska
184 - Boise City, Idaho
185 - Thousand Oaks, California
186 - Mesquite, Texas
187 - Lincoln, Nebraska
188 - Sioux Falls, South Dakota
189 - Modesto, California
190 - Costa Mesa, California
191 - Oceanside, California
192 - Naperville, Illinois
193 - Fort Wayne, Indiana
194 - Springfield, Missouri
195 - Chesapeake, Virginia
196 - Pasadena, Texas
197 - Waco, Texas
198 - Jacksonville, Florida
199 - Chandler, Arizona
200 - Anaheim, California
201 - Clarksville, Tennessee
202 - Carrollton, Texas
203 - Corpus Christi, Texas
204 - Scottsdale, Arizona
205 - Fullerton, California
206 - Santa Clarita, California
207 - Glendale, Arizona
208 - Wichita, Kansas
209 - Garland, Texas
210 - Rancho Cucamonga, California
211 - Tulsa, Oklahoma
212 - Lancaster, California
213 - Huntington Beach, California
214 - Overland Park, Kansas
215 - Anchorage, Alaska
216 - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
217 - Clearwater, Florida
218 - Corona, California
219 - Simi Valley, California
220 - West Valley City, Utah
221 - Garden Grove, California
222 - Cape Coral, Florida
223 - Arlington, Texas
224 - Allentown, Pennsylvania
225 - Peoria, Arizona
226 - Escondido, California
227 - Mesa, Arizona
228 - Orange, California
229 - Lafayette, Louisiana
230 - Bakersfield, California
231 - Colorado Springs, Colorado
232 - Gilbert, Arizona
233 - Plano, Texas
234 - Hialeah, Florida
235 - Abilene, Texas
236 - Lubbock, Texas
237 - Provo, Utah







This article is from Focus on Freedom
http://www.gohotsprings.com/usa/


31 posted on 08/16/2005 6:25:48 AM PDT by hombre_sincero
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To: meandog
Some surprises for me: Gary, Ind., and Detroit edging out Berkeley and Washington;

Having been born and raised in Gary, this is no surprise to me...

32 posted on 08/16/2005 6:25:49 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: Justanobody
I suspect that Gary has become Chicago's overflow area.

Nope -- always been that way (at least as far back as I can remember...)

33 posted on 08/16/2005 6:26:53 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: meandog

So if you can believe this study, it defines Middle America--whatever's not on either list.


34 posted on 08/16/2005 6:27:26 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac!)
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To: AliVeritas
Why is New York so low?...

It's not that NYC is so low, but that the other cities are so high...on the surface, I would have expected Atlanta to show higher than the #31 it got.

35 posted on 08/16/2005 6:28:18 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: dagoofyfoot

Don't know about Huntington Beach, but Garden Grove is heavily populated with the descendents of Viet refugees. Lots of RVN flags in shop windows. No suprise its conservative.


36 posted on 08/16/2005 6:30:00 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: meandog

"These liberal white communities, however, are more reminiscent of penguins clustering together around a shrinking iceberg than of a vibrant and growing political movement."

The mental picture this creates is great. Think I'm going to refer to white liberals as "penguins" from now on.


37 posted on 08/16/2005 6:31:21 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: meandog

I am #2 on most conservative cities to live... YEAH. Maybe future home of the President George W. Bush Library.


38 posted on 08/16/2005 6:32:11 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: hombre_sincero
Thanks for the complete list...

Columbus more conservative than Cinci? Weird.

Myweighin.com - my pet project
39 posted on 08/16/2005 6:35:57 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: meandog

I wonder what the criteria was for this. Certainly, ifi they define liberal as democrat, it would be that way but if they are talking about gay issues, abortion and stuff, I would think blacks would be very conservative.


40 posted on 08/16/2005 6:36:13 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: ElCapusto
Great post. I always wondered about the origins of liberals. I never believed in evolution much, but I think this proves it.

One of the laws of physics is that everything degenerates, loses energy, or devolves. Liberals are just living proof of the laws of physics.

41 posted on 08/16/2005 6:39:32 AM PDT by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: Always Right

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Most liberal and conservative cities listed...is your's among them?, Always Right wrote:

"The City of Evil (Ithica) is not on the list??????? Give me a break."

It may not be big enough. I can think of a lot of towns in Massachusetts which belong on that list but are too small -- Amherst, Northampton, etc.


42 posted on 08/16/2005 6:44:55 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: Pio
Cambridge is a city ... Newton is an exclusive white suburb.

This is part of Newton (Newton Corner):

The skyline is Boston downtown. Green area in front part of Newton and Boston (Brighton). To left (outside of photo) is Watertown the city with large number of Armenians (churches, museums etc ...). Cambridge is to forward left (also outside of photo).

This is Newton Highlands

Newton has many parks and nature preserves, see the bird in the center of photo:
Heron in Hammond Pond

43 posted on 08/16/2005 6:45:40 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! ")
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To: CTOCS

Hahaha true. But then again, you'd be hard-pressed to find a city in VA (holding Richmond aside) with a steady population of over 100,000. That said, those who do pass that mark probably don't have enough conservatives to make the list (i.e. might be more of a 50/50 R/D ratio).


44 posted on 08/16/2005 6:49:22 AM PDT by NASBWI
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To: meandog

Very surprised no towns from Wyoming made the conservative list...like Cheyenne.


45 posted on 08/16/2005 6:50:40 AM PDT by lesko
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To: Milhous
St Louis edges out NYC, Providence, & Boston?!?!? Looks like wishful thinking to me

You could count on one hand the number of conservatives in St Louis.

All of the Conservatives have moved south of the city into Jefferson County or NW into Lincoln County, and the affluent Liberals are going west into West St Louis County leaving a shell of a city that will eventually become a parody of inner Detroit.

The St Louis City Government is a bastion of Liberal/Progressives. Remember this is the home base of Richard Gebhardt.

46 posted on 08/16/2005 6:51:13 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Completely Useless Before September)
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To: meandog

This list has been posted many times to Free Republic. Here are some FAQs:

1. Why are Detroit and Gary so much higher than liberal capitals like Boston and San Francisco?

A. This list is determined by the percentage of the population voting Democrat in recent elections. What this means in practice is that it correlates heavily with the African-American population in the city. This means that cities which are not widely considered liberal will be ranked high on this list because their citizens voter overwhelmingly for Democrats. Similarly, many cities with a liberal reputation but which include neighborhoods of semi-conservative ethnic voters will be further down than you expect.

2. Where are the liberal hotspots like Ithaca, Madison, Newton, or Athens?

A. Cities must have a population of at least 100,000 to make the list. Many university towns and liberals oases do not qualify.

3. So this list sounds a little bit like Barbra Streisand as a reflection of liberalism.

A. Yep.


47 posted on 08/16/2005 6:53:58 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: meandog

Not a great breakdown. Since they required a pop of 100k or more, Ithaca missed serious consideration. Those of us in Fox holes behind enermy lines know that Gary, IN cannot hold a candle to us. After all we regularly mobilize busloads of nothing better to do protesters to go anywhere President Bush travels. Besides, we have the yellow bug (painted with kid's toys no less) police chief car as well. So we would be competitive to make not only the ultra liberal list but also the just plain weird list as well.


48 posted on 08/16/2005 7:01:47 AM PDT by rod1
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To: NASBWI

I see from above that Richmond did come in at #50. Followed by Norfolk, Alexandria, Chesapeake.

I'd have thought Arlington would have been first. Certainly before Alexandria.

Where's the full Conservative list?


49 posted on 08/16/2005 7:09:31 AM PDT by CTOCS (This space left intentionally blank...)
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To: meandog

Boulder, CO and Madison, WI not on the top 25 liberal list????


50 posted on 08/16/2005 7:11:37 AM PDT by The Great RJ (q)
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