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Posted on 08/16/2005 11:23:20 AM PDT by woodb01

The Cult of Evolution – the Opiate of the Atheists
evolution is based on superstitious religious secular fundamentalism

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Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents.  Current evolution teaches that “natural selection” is how we continue to “evolve.” 

Unfortunately for evolutionists their recent beliefs have been challenged on interesting grounds.  A new theory has come about to challenge the blind faith orthodoxy of the evolutionists, that theory is intelligent design. 

Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned.  The probability of this even happening one time in a billion years approaches zero.  Then, to believe evolutionary "theory," you have to accept on blind faith that this same miracle of perfect order from total chaos has repeated itself millions of times to account for each of the plants, animals, and life on earth.  We'll leave it there for now.  It gets a WHOLE LOT MORE COMPLICATED for the evolutionary cult.  On the other hand, intelligent design says that after the evolutionist throws the cards up in the air and makes a mess, the intelligent designer comes along and carefully picks up each card and stacks them all up together, in sequence, and properly aligned.

Stepping back from evolution long enough to use critical thinking skills not taught much in public education these days, it becomes quickly apparent that evolution is nothing but a silly religious belief – a type of “secular fundamentalism” – demanding cult-like superstitious faith in the impossible.  If I have your attention, let’s take a careful look at what evolution requires us to accept on complete blind faith:

These are just a few of the major problems for the cult of evolution.  They are certainly not the least of the problems.  For example, under the “accidents” of evolution, where do emotions come from?  Where does instinct come from?  Why do humans have the ability to reason and understand right from wrong?  And the list goes on.  None of these innate characteristics can be explained by evolution.

Evolution is not science, because it can not be tested, verified, and there are no “false results.”  The only “false result” to evolution is Intelligent Design (ID) because the theory of ID proves that evolution is false and therefore evolution adherents attack ID proposals with zealous fundamentalism.

Has anyone ever seen how zealously these evolutionary “secular fundamentalists” irrationally attack competing theories without answering the underlying problems with their beliefs? 

Evolutionists routinely dodge issues like the origins of the universe because they know that if you stop and think hard about these issues, evolution falls apart as nothing but a widely held religious belief.  If you can't explain where the raw material for the inputs to the "evolutionary process" come from, then you have no process.  If you can't tell me how life started, and where its components came from, what the specific components were, what specific “accident” created “life,” then you have no process, only religious belief.

When you refuse to evaluate the inputs to a process, you have an incomplete process, it is unverifiable, and therefore un-provable, un-knowable, and an un-testable theory from a scientific perspective.  You MUST at that point insert your suppositions and BELIEFS (i.e. secular fundamentalist religious beliefs) into the process.  This is where it is no longer science, but superstition and blind religious faith.

It is understandable evolutionists would avoid many of these difficult questions because it exposes the preposterous "blind faith" required to accept evolution.

The cult of e
volution is the opiate for the atheists. 

Evolution is an atheist’s way to excuse their denial and rejection of god, it is their religion.  To the degree that evolutionists dodge the difficult questions, like the origins of life's raw materials, how the five senses came about (how did one-celled organisms get the "idea" that “senses” were even needed?), how or why or where emotions come from, or a whole host of other questions, proves that it is not science, but secular fundamentalism.  To the extent that evolutionists challenge competing theories such as Intelligent Design rather than answering the difficult questions or admitting that their “theory” has holes, it is not a scientific theory subject to the scientific process, but a cult based on zealous secular fundamentalism.

And on one hand, evolutionists expect you to believe that through a bunch of "accidents" life happened and "evolved" and then later, just the OPPOSITE takes place in the form of "natural selection."  In other words, the "accidents" of life lead to deliberate selection.  Under "natural selection" the "great god of evolution" decides who is the strongest and smartest and everyone else must be subjected to the superior race.  Sounds a lot like what Hitler's National SOCIALISTS believed to me.

No amount of proving atheism, er, I mean evolution wrong will ever satisfy the secular fundamentalist religious cult of evolution.  Even when those who support the theory of Intelligent Design are willing to engage in a dialog on the issue, the secular fundamentalists come out of the woodwork and shriek from the high heavens about how they refuse to prove one iota of their religious philosophy, but demand that ANYTHING that dares challenge their orthodoxy must be proven beyond any doubt.  This is the essence of religious zealotry and blind religious fundamentalism--, it is the opiate of the atheists...

If those who adhere to evolution are genuinely interested in science, then they must evaluate the whole process, and if the inputs to that process, or many of its components such as the senses or emotions do not support the process then they must reject that theory (evolution) as unworkable.  To do anything less is no longer science.  But then again, evolutionists are not really interested in science.

Call me weak minded but I just don't have the blind, zealous, fundamentalist faith to believe that nothing created everything (the "Big Bang") and that life just spontaneously erupted from rocks, water, and a few base chemicals (evolution) through a bunch of "weird science" accidents.  Step back, stop and actually THINK about the leaps of un-provable, totally blind-faith that evolution requires and unless you're one of its religious zealots, you too will reach the conclusion that evolution is a FRAUD!

Evolution, the opiate for atheists and the biggest hoax and fraud ever perpetrated on the Western World in History...


Additional Resources:

DNA: The Tiny Code That's Toppling Evolution (DNA is PROVING that evolution is a hoax)
The controversy over evolution includes a growing number of scientists who challenge Darwinism. (The fraud of Darwinism...)
Einstein Versus Darwin: Intelligent Design Or Evolution? (Most LEGITIMATE Scientists do NOT agree with Evolution)
What’s the Big Secret? (Intelligent Design in Pennsylvania)
What are the Darwinists afraid of? (The fervent religious belief in evolution)
The Little Engine That Could...Undo Darwinism (Evolution may be proven false very soon)
 



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To: balrog666
I have to admit that I do not recall ever having read a more ignorant, clownish, or unbelievably stupid thread than this one.

Individual posts have reached this depth, but considering the quantity we have here -- the sustained quantity -- I'm sure this thread, and it's lead article, have achieved the all-time record. It's a classic.

251 posted on 08/16/2005 3:00:40 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: narby

"Why do humans, and all other life, die at all? "

Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt?

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle." - Exodus 12:29


252 posted on 08/16/2005 3:01:32 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: js1138
It's really funny comparing the creationist links in the article vs. some we have around here.

This piece is a nice summary on a few pages that ranges from the fact that someone climbed Mt. Everest to the claim that DNA demonstrates evolution impossible. Yeah, right.

Compare that to Ichumon's DNA post, where he assumes that everyone already knows that Mt Everest has been climbed, and starts right in explaining the mechanism of the smoking gun in DNA that proves a common ancestor between primates and humans.

The contrast between the two is just amazing. Propaganda vs. a genuine understanding of the science.

253 posted on 08/16/2005 3:02:14 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Nay, nay sirruh. I am that most feared of humans, a thoughtful, logical, questioning, human just as you apparently are. Besides I just like stirring the s**tpot periodically.

I can ask those questions because I believe in God and pray to Him at least twice a day, and rely upon Him for my very daily life.

I just know that he doesn't want blind obedience or slaves.

To all you Creationists out there...God gave you the brains (through evolution) try using them.


254 posted on 08/16/2005 3:04:32 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: WillMalven

You are really freaking me out.


255 posted on 08/16/2005 3:07:50 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Moral Hazard
Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt?

You just didn't get my point at all, did you?

I'll try again.

If God was perfect, then everything He did would be perfect. When God created imperfect humans and other creatures, it proves that God is not perfect (and strongly hints that maybe He's just a figment of your imagination).

When Christians stop pushing religion in public schools, then challenges to their beliefs will stop.

256 posted on 08/16/2005 3:08:05 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: wallcrawlr

Evasionist claptrap. You are not perfect, why not?


257 posted on 08/16/2005 3:08:08 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Pete; PatrickHenry
Why do care about anything? All is vanity. I fail to see how existence is preferable to non-existence.

These are excellent questions - I've pondered them before and have a working theory based on, yes, evolution:

1. The reason we care to live is that we are descendents of organisms that developed defense mechanisms in order to avoid predation by other organisms. Imagine the immense competitive advantage afforded to the first organisms that developed the ability to prey on other organisms as a means of gaining energy.

Until a random mutation occurred that provided a form of defense, there was no reason for any organism to 'care' whether or not it survived. Once it developed, however, it in turn gave organisms such a competive advantage that those traits can be found in every living organism today (plant or animal).

We can see firsthand how the survival instinct is deeply seated: try to capture and kill a fly; notice its desire to escape and survive. It obviously can't think, so why does it care? Because its genes are pre-programmed to 'care', no differently than ours.

2. The reason we care to explore, think and debate is also based on evolution. At some point long ago, human development became predicated on intelligence. This does not come without a cost; the energy requirements to fuel our brains is many times higher than pure physical brawn.

However, once that evolutionary path was followed (ie intelligence traits were passed down through generations of successful ancestors), we became dependent on thought for our very survival. Over time, a small percentage of the population (through purely random mutation and then selective breeding) became extremely intelligent, to the point that they possessed the ability to address (and attempt to answer) difficult philosphical and scientific questions.

People who care about science have as much ability to ignore discovery and thought as they have the ability to fly. That is, they have no choice - it's in their genes, which are themselves present due to succcessful survival strategies based on intelligence that were developed millions of years ago.

258 posted on 08/16/2005 3:08:53 PM PDT by lemura
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To: narby

Yeah, why isn't life a multiple choice test instead of an essay?


259 posted on 08/16/2005 3:09:04 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: edcoil

Hey who shuffled them, that's what I'd like to know?

can you say RAW DEAL?


260 posted on 08/16/2005 3:11:36 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: narby

" You just didn't get my point at all, did you?"

Actually I was trying to reinforce your point.


261 posted on 08/16/2005 3:14:23 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: narby

There is some interesting stuff on your anti-evolution wevsite, such as the claim that there is as much information in the genome of a bacterium as ther is in a human. While this is not exactly true, it would contradict the claim that evolution would have to increase the quantity of information to change from a bacterium to a human.


262 posted on 08/16/2005 3:17:52 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: Dataman
Evolution is the only "scientific" theory that needs legal protection. How pathetic.

To the extent that science does need protecting is merely a demonstration of the lunacy of it's attackers. Anti-scientists can't challenge science via the truth of their arguments, but must do so via government rule.

263 posted on 08/16/2005 3:18:13 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: PatrickHenry
If you're looking for solid evidence that conservatives are retards, please use this thread's lead article as Exhibit One.

Very true. Sad, but true.

264 posted on 08/16/2005 3:21:22 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: ConservativeDude
Another "You're an idiot" "No, you're an idiot" thread....

Yeah, this is by far the dumbest thread I've seen since CAFTA passed. The usual shooting gallery.

Wake me up when the grown-ups get here, will you?
265 posted on 08/16/2005 3:23:00 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Islam is a religion of peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.)
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To: adorno
You're still talking about theories and calculations from limited observations and limited science and even limited mathematics.

Nope. Sorry.

266 posted on 08/16/2005 3:23:41 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: wallcrawlr
Intelligent Design is the only scientific theory that makes sense.

Ok, class, that's all there is to science. I'll pass out the final grade at the door.

Don't get eaten by a lion on the way home to the cave.

267 posted on 08/16/2005 3:28:20 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: js1138

DNA has lots of junk in it. Your skin cells contain the recipe for your toenails in them. If bacteria has a large percentage of junk in their DNA, so what?


268 posted on 08/16/2005 3:31:14 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: furball4paws
You know, there's always an easy out if you think that.

**************

Ouch.

269 posted on 08/16/2005 3:33:49 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Theory is a best guess based on imperfect knowledge.

Perfect description of religion, though.

270 posted on 08/16/2005 3:40:55 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: woodb01

http://www.nodnc.com

Great website and thanks!


271 posted on 08/16/2005 3:42:25 PM PDT by eleni121 (ual9fyiung for student aid nd taking clleg level course at the same time!)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Perhaps the maddening greed for people to have "perfect", one-stop answers, instead of a long, winding and often tiresome process of finding out the truth causes them to be so confrontational with science. The same maddening greed for simplicity also explains modern liberalism
272 posted on 08/16/2005 3:43:36 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: narby
If God was perfect, then everything He did would be perfect. When God created imperfect humans and other creatures, it proves that God is not perfect (and strongly hints that maybe He's just a figment of your imagination).

On the contrary: the imperfect state of things suggests that Christians are right!

When Christians stop pushing religion in public schools, then challenges to their beliefs will stop.

Is the grammar school serving Holy Communion again? Blast! They're probably forcing those poor kids to read Luther's Small Catechism during recess. I bet they're (gasp) singing hymns as we speak! Dang it! Let's hope that learning about the joy of alternative lifestyles sets them back on the straight and narrow--surely no pun intended.

When Christians stop speaking out on issues relative to society, culture, and government then the challenges will cease because they'll just disappear into the mire.

Let me put it another way: When Christians are effectively silenced in the public arena, then you'll be happy.
273 posted on 08/16/2005 3:47:13 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Islam is a religion of peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.)
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later pingout.


274 posted on 08/16/2005 3:51:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: woodb01

Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents.

No it isn't. This is a dishonest statement.

275 posted on 08/16/2005 4:10:08 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: balrog666; PatrickHenry
I have to admit that I do not recall ever having read a more ignorant, clownish, or unbelievably stupid thread than this one.

post #175 sums up this entire thread

276 posted on 08/16/2005 4:13:05 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: js1138

The Cult of Evolution – the Opiate of the Atheists

The Cult of ID - the Last Best Hope of the Religious Fundamentalist Fanatics.

277 posted on 08/16/2005 4:13:26 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: woodb01

The Cult of Evolution – the Opiate of the Atheists

The Cult of ID - the Last Best Hope of the Religious Fundamentalist Fanatics.

278 posted on 08/16/2005 4:18:04 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: bobdsmith
Oh and post 169 for irony
279 posted on 08/16/2005 4:18:28 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith

In fact this guy's posting history is a treasure of delights. How about this for an original argument against evolution:

"So either evolution is false, or the Newton's laws, etc., are false."


280 posted on 08/16/2005 4:23:17 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: RadioAstronomer
Codswallop

Is he any relation to Malcom Wallop?

281 posted on 08/16/2005 4:26:15 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: bobdsmith

So either evolution is false, or the Newton's laws, etc., are false.

It's the beginning of the Intelligent Design Inquisition. No one expected this.

282 posted on 08/16/2005 4:27:58 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: FostersExport

Whoever wrote it needs to go back to school. Or maybe he hasn't got there yet.

Or maybe just occupied space in a school for awhile, like desks do.

283 posted on 08/16/2005 4:34:21 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Das Outsider
On the contrary: the imperfect state of things suggests that Christians are right!

God failed to make perfect life. Therefore God is imperfect.

Is the grammar school serving Holy Communion again?

No, but some will soon be reaffirming Genesis though.

When Christians stop speaking out on issues relative to society, culture, and government then the challenges will cease because they'll just disappear into the mire.

There are plenty of cultural issues that Christians can, and should, get involved with. But making Christians, and conservatives, look like idiots with Santa Claus versions of science is not one of those.

Whether you like it or not, not all Christians agree that evolution is false. This is a religious dogma fight taking place in courtrooms and politics. It will do nothing but damage for both Christians and conservatives and their ability to get real change accomplished.

Let me put it another way: When Christians are effectively silenced in the public arena, then you'll be happy.

When Christians stop interfering in science and science education, then I'll be happy. Many other things they do I approve of wholeheartedly.

284 posted on 08/16/2005 4:37:56 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: ml1954
Humor break.
285 posted on 08/16/2005 4:39:05 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: woodb01

Evolution is not science, because it can not be tested, verified, and there are no “false results.”

Fossil evidence that human beings were contemporaneous with T-Rex would certainly be a "false result" that would cause the TOE major problems.

But then, don't let logic get in the way of your fantasy and ruin the buzz.

286 posted on 08/16/2005 4:40:34 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Hoplite

ROFLOL. Thanks. You made my day.


287 posted on 08/16/2005 4:44:31 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Hoplite

I appreciate the link and the smile that came with it, but, unfortunately, it's not really funny.

What's tongue in cheek often has the unfortunate tendency to show up later as gospel.


288 posted on 08/16/2005 4:45:21 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: muir_redwoods

"Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents."

Since this is untrue and neither Darwin nor educators today have anything to say about origins of life based on Darwins teaching, everything else this person has to say is suspect. Natural selection is an established fact and can be readily observed in nature over as little as a few generations.




So that I understand this, your premise is that evolution is only about one very narrowly defined issue and absolutely nothing else--, "natural selection."

Or put another way, survival of the fittest, Hitler's "uber-man," law of the jungle, kill or be killed, etc.

I can accept that. I just want to make sure that I have evolution defined correctly for everyone. So that we're all on the same page.

Evolution is nothing but the law of the jungle...

Brutal rape, murder, sodomy, child molestation, theft, whatever--, you know "natural selection" or in other words, if I'm stronger than you or have better weapons and want what you have I can just take it. And through natural selection if you get in the way, simply execute you in cold blood...

Sounds a lot like National Socialism to me...

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289 posted on 08/16/2005 4:47:55 PM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Hoplite

It’s funny because it hits the nail absolutely square on the head :o)


290 posted on 08/16/2005 4:49:06 PM PDT by FostersExport
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To: furball4paws

What's tongue in cheek often has the unfortunate tendency to show up later as gospel.

Like bad SNL skits, right.

291 posted on 08/16/2005 4:49:26 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Izzy Dunne
Not really. Does the end product look more like an accident or an artifact? Simple research question. One that is accessible to standard rigorous scientific evaluation.
292 posted on 08/16/2005 4:50:50 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Moral Hazard

"how does an "accident" suddenly develop a detailed system for a very SPECIFIC purpose"

That's not what evolution requires. Things like eyes evolved over hundreds of millions of generations. Under evolutions you get small changes over many generations that gradually add up to very complex systems.




So then, using the analogy or allegory of the deck of cards, by the time that the first card even got NEAR the second card, they'd all be a pile of dust...

Did time and aging stop for evolution to have its next "small step" to the next form of one-celled life? Some of this stuff is just so silly and absurd it's ridiculous. Do you really "hear" what you're saying? That nothing eventually moved to greater and greater levels of something. That it forced itself to become more and more complex over gozillions a' yers! (in my best Forrest Gump imitation)...

You can't possibly be serious here. Take the Time man and THINK about the silly presumptions that you have to accept on totally BLIND FAITH for evolution to even SOUND reasonable.

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293 posted on 08/16/2005 4:53:05 PM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: TomSmedley

Does the end product look more like an accident or an artifact?

Exhibit A - The Elephant Man.

294 posted on 08/16/2005 4:55:32 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: doc30
All of science must be gutted in order to fit what some people 'believe.'

LOL! Are you a drama queen?

295 posted on 08/16/2005 4:55:59 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (The repenting soul is the victorious soul)
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To: woodb01
"Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned. The probability of this even happening one time in a billion years approaches zero."

I'd like to know the inputs into the formula for how the author calculated the odds of this happening. I won't hold my breath waiting to know. I never got past this tidbit.

For once, I'd like to read a pro-ID article from someone that actually understands science and evolution.

296 posted on 08/16/2005 4:56:57 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

LOL! Are you a drama queen?

No. Just a Neo-Nazi.

297 posted on 08/16/2005 4:57:28 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: furball4paws
What's tongue in cheek often has the unfortunate tendency to show up later as gospel.

All humor has to have a bit of truth in it.

This does.

298 posted on 08/16/2005 4:59:08 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: mugs99
It is about getting Evangelism into the schools, IMO.

If it's about evangelism, then it's about the Church of Evolution having a proselytizing monopoly.

299 posted on 08/16/2005 5:00:11 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (The repenting soul is the victorious soul)
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To: narby
We'll seriously have to do the God question at another time. For now, let's keep it on creation/evolution and public policy.

There are plenty of cultural issues that Christians can, and should, get involved with.

Ok, so we agree there.

Whether you like it or not, not all Christians agree that evolution is false

I'm well aware of that. Some are Christians-by-association, some are lumped into that category with a very liberal definition or ethnic designation, and others--more than a few-- are genuine believers in Christ, I'm sure. They've integrated the evolutionary model into their theology. So we agree there, too. Thanks for clarifying your position.

Where we disagree is the area (or areas) the challenges exist, I guess.
300 posted on 08/16/2005 5:02:28 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Islam is a religion of peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.)
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