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Posted on 08/16/2005 11:23:20 AM PDT by woodb01

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1 posted on 08/16/2005 11:23:23 AM PDT by woodb01
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To: woodb01

So does intelligent design use natural selection or not?


3 posted on 08/16/2005 11:27:42 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: woodb01

What a load of horse manure


4 posted on 08/16/2005 11:29:56 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: woodb01

And to think we make fun of DU.


5 posted on 08/16/2005 11:30:34 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: My Beautiful Mind

Also no mention of origin of life. Oh, well. Facts may not be relevant in this attack on science.


6 posted on 08/16/2005 11:31:54 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: woodb01

Why can't people just agree to disagree? Why do we seek to find witches and demons in those who hold views contrary to our own? Are people THAT intellectually challenged?


7 posted on 08/16/2005 11:33:14 AM PDT by Paradox (Budweiser, fighting for the Right to Keep and Beer Arms.)
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To: woodb01

ID cannot answer the questions it asks of science. Evolution is theory built upon evidence. ID is religious speculation that denies what we know about the world via science. It doesn't even answer what the evidence is of a designer, nor the origins of that designer, not how this designer can physically manipulate the world around us without leaving a footpring behind. Evolution does have some intersting and importnat quersitons about specific things, but that is healthy scientific debate, not a retreat from where clear evidence leads. The author of the article needs to stop trying to change the meaning of science to hit his own agenda.


8 posted on 08/16/2005 11:33:22 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: PatrickHenry

lunatics ping!


9 posted on 08/16/2005 11:34:23 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: woodb01
Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents.

Wrong from the very first sentence. How typical.

10 posted on 08/16/2005 11:34:25 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: woodb01
Let's assume for the sake of arguement that evolution did happen. Well at least on earth it may have happened yet the mathematical probabilities that it occurred is beyond comprehension. Numbers so big that science must use can't even express.

Yet assume that it did. Now this is the million $$ question, are there millions of these evolutionary possibilities all over the universe or are we the only sentient beings in the entire universe? Keep in mind the mathematical probabilities of evolution occurring here on earth. That there is life in the universe is not the issue. That there is sentient life is a whole different question. Science cannot answer the question nor offer a theoretical alternative.

11 posted on 08/16/2005 11:35:16 AM PDT by bubman
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To: woodb01

Putting words in quotes doesn't disprove things.


12 posted on 08/16/2005 11:36:30 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: Paradox
Why can't people just agree to disagree?

The problem is that science, not just evolution, is undermined by this type of nonsense. All of science must be gutted in order to fit what some people 'believe.' For those of us that believe the strength of the U.S. resides in the technological prowess of our citizens, our own future is being short changed by the anti-science crowd found in the ID basket.

13 posted on 08/16/2005 11:36:38 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: wallcrawlr


14 posted on 08/16/2005 11:38:05 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: Paradox

Who made the deck of cards?


15 posted on 08/16/2005 11:38:59 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: doc30

With plenty of funding from the looney Moonies, if indeed they are looney and not malignant.

Plus support accepted from the anti-evolution Islamists.


16 posted on 08/16/2005 11:40:08 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Sybeck1

Evolution is the only "scientific" theory that needs legal protection. How pathetic.


17 posted on 08/16/2005 11:40:16 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: woodb01
Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents.

Religion's basic premise is that all "life" on the planet miraculously "emerged" through a few waves of a magic wand.

Sounds about equally stupid, I think.

18 posted on 08/16/2005 11:40:18 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: woodb01

"Then, to believe evolutionary "theory," you have to accept on blind faith that this same miracle of perfect order from total chaos has repeated itself millions of times to account for each of the plants, animals, and life on earth."

Right, let's stop this article right there. Whoever wrote it needs to go back to school. Or maybe he hasn't got there yet.

Creationists please, show just a bit of intelligence with your arguments and I'll promise to stop laughing at you.


19 posted on 08/16/2005 11:40:42 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: malakhi
And wronger and wronger...

Think of it like this, evolution [sic] believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned.

So much easier to refute a straw man than the actual theory...
20 posted on 08/16/2005 11:41:21 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: woodb01; Admin Moderator

Since woodb01 seems to have written this piece, and has simply posted a link to his own post on another site, it should surely be on the 'blogger/personal forum', no?


21 posted on 08/16/2005 11:41:59 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (ID: the idea that somebody did something to some gene or other sometime somehow.)
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To: AntiGuv

22 posted on 08/16/2005 11:41:59 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: doc30
The problem is that science, not just evolution, is undermined by this type of nonsense.

Just look at the global warming debate. A shame that science has been thus perverted, although I suppose it has always been a controversy, I hear that Newton really got into it with his contemporaries about various things (light as a particle rather than a wave, etc..)

23 posted on 08/16/2005 11:42:37 AM PDT by Paradox (Budweiser, fighting for the Right to Keep and Beer Arms.)
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To: PatrickHenry

ah, you are already here


24 posted on 08/16/2005 11:43:00 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Dataman
Evolution is the only "scientific" theory that needs legal protection. How pathetic.

ID is the only "scientific" "theory" that needs to be shoehorned into science by political means. How pathetic.

25 posted on 08/16/2005 11:43:57 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: King Prout
ah, you are already here

Wherever you go, there you are.

I think that has something to do with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, according to some creationists. But I'm not really sure.

26 posted on 08/16/2005 11:46:30 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: From many - one.

Please do me a favor and tell those idiots in the Harvard Science department that they need to abandon their own multi-million dollar research project into the origins of life and the origins of evolution...

My God, what could those moronic Harvard idiots be thinking insisting that the origins of life, and the origins of the universe are crucial / central issues to evolution... What silly fools those Harvard Scientists...

Please do me a favor all of those sidestepping secular fundamentalists, let those idiots and Harvard know just how wrong they are and how much smarter you are...

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2005-08-14-harvard-evolution_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

Then again, maybe evolution really IS the secular fundamentalist religious belief that the article posits. After all, the REAL scientists admit that the origins of the universe, and of the initial creation of life are central to evolution...


27 posted on 08/16/2005 11:47:25 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: woodb01
Evolution is not science, because it can not be tested, verified, and there are no "false results."

Ummm... and what about ID?

because the theory of ID proves that evolution is false

And how does the "theory" of ID prove evolution false? Where is the evidence supporting ID?

and therefore evolution adherents attack ID proposals with zealous fundamentalism.

Pure projection.

This is really the worst piece of ID dreck I've read. And that's saying something.

28 posted on 08/16/2005 11:48:20 AM PDT by malakhi
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. . . come out of the woodwork and shriek from the high heavens about how they refuse to prove one iota of their religious philosophy . . .

They cannot even go so far as to admit they have something to prove. They're above that.

. . . but demand that ANYTHING that dares challenge their orthodoxy must be proven beyond any doubt.

They cannot even go so far as to allow other points of view a hearing. They're above that, too.

29 posted on 08/16/2005 11:50:16 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: woodb01

Hi Wood, long time no see. Ping me when you post on this subject.


30 posted on 08/16/2005 11:50:27 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: My Beautiful Mind
There is no mention of "miracles" in evolutionary theory

I am not an Atheist and I don't believe in "miracles" either. I agree that those "accidents" could be intelligent design.

I also don't believe this debate is about Intelligent Design. It is about getting Evangelism into the schools, IMO.
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31 posted on 08/16/2005 11:50:30 AM PDT by mugs99
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To: All

What made the big bang bang?


32 posted on 08/16/2005 11:51:10 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: woodb01
Then again, maybe evolution really IS the secular fundamentalist religious belief that the article posits.

Just because you view the world through the prism of religious fundamentalism doesn't mean that everyone else does. Your misapplication of religious terminology onto science only illustrates that you don't understand science.

33 posted on 08/16/2005 11:51:20 AM PDT by malakhi
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Hey, DU lurkers:

If you're looking for solid evidence that conservatives are retards, please use this thread's lead article as Exhibit One.

34 posted on 08/16/2005 11:51:34 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: woodb01

So you are scared that scientists might create life and damage your theory? But I thought only God could create life. What do you have to be scared of?


35 posted on 08/16/2005 11:51:51 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: woodb01

Funny thing is I get paid to teach this stuff. What are your credentials?

Oh, and try re-reading the projected Harvard study proposals.


36 posted on 08/16/2005 11:51:53 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Modernman

perhaps a matter of the law of conservation of manure and enthalpy?


37 posted on 08/16/2005 11:52:10 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: woodb01
My God, what could those moronic Harvard idiots be thinking insisting that the origins of life, and the origins of the universe are crucial / central issues to evolution...

umm USA Today certainly does. I don't see any evidence in your link that the "Harvard idiots" do. You wouldn't be taking an MSM article at face value would you?

38 posted on 08/16/2005 11:56:22 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: AliVeritas

Big bang = nothing to do with evolution.


39 posted on 08/16/2005 11:57:42 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: AliVeritas
What made the big bang bang?

If something made the big bang bang what made that bing bang banger?
40 posted on 08/16/2005 11:58:48 AM PDT by drtom
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To: From many - one.; PatrickHenry

oops! you done it now - now they'll start accusing you of defending "the cult" in order to preserve your livelihood.

just you wait 'n' see


41 posted on 08/16/2005 11:59:13 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: AliVeritas
What made the big bang bang?

Are you suggesting that the Big Bang was a caused event and not a random event?
42 posted on 08/16/2005 11:59:49 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: malakhi
I think they are saying that mathematics proves evolution false, and I have yet to see anyone in the evolution camp explain that problem away. As far as a magic wand, man builds a lot of things and does not use a magic wand, and I am sure God did not use a magic wand either.

Science is a very flawed field of study (as history has shown), and the scientific method is not perfect either.

I remember being taught as a kid that we evolved from gases (part of evolution), and it occurred to me even then that the probability of that would be very low given the complexity of our bodies.
43 posted on 08/16/2005 12:00:32 PM PDT by Hendrix
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To: woodb01
superstitious religious secular fundamentalexpialidocious
even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious
if you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious
superstitious religious secular fundamentalexpialidocious!

Um diddle diddle diddle um diddle ay...

44 posted on 08/16/2005 12:01:10 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: FostersExport

Oh if scientists do create life, even if it's from the raw elements as precursors, they will calim it as proof of ID. After all, these scientists just designed life so how does that counter the ID claims? </ sarcasm>
Seriosly, they will twist things, like they always do, to fit their preconceptions. You cannot argue with closed minds.


45 posted on 08/16/2005 12:01:11 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: woodb01

Your bovine discharge clearly proves that if Intelligent Design really existed it wasn't applied to everyone.


46 posted on 08/16/2005 12:01:43 PM PDT by drtom
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To: BikerNYC

If, at the instant before the big bang, there was no time, then did it really have a cause?


47 posted on 08/16/2005 12:03:29 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: FostersExport

The scientific arguments as well as the theological and philosophical ones: http://faithfacts.gospelcom.net//evolution.html.


48 posted on 08/16/2005 12:06:17 PM PDT by Jacobis
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To: woodb01

Wow.

Yet another crevo thread.

Haven't seen one of these in a while.


49 posted on 08/16/2005 12:06:38 PM PDT by Skooz ("Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: woodb01
"Evolution is an atheist’s way to excuse their denial and rejection of god, it is their religion."

This has been found to be a common thread among the avid evolutionists.

It's as though they are scared to death of acknowledging any entity who can, with valid authority, pass judgment on their morals, so they do whatever they can to "prove" that God does not exist.

In the long run, if people of faith are wrong, they are no worse off than the evolutionists. If, however, the atheistic evolutionists are wrong, they have a hell to pay.

50 posted on 08/16/2005 12:07:34 PM PDT by nightdriver
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