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New Federal Money for Highway Roadblocks and Seizures
thenewspaper.com ^ | 8/15/2005 | thenewspaper.com staff

Posted on 08/16/2005 5:58:08 PM PDT by elkfersupper

The "SAFETEA-LU" federal transportation funding measure signed into law last Wednesday provides millions of dollars for controversial enforcement measures including sobriety checkpoint roadblocks and now automobile seizures.

The law adds automobile impoundment and seizure to the list of acceptable "alcohol-impaired driving countermeasures" eligible for federal grant money, which amounted to $40 million in 2003. This allows states to fund driving under the influence (DUI)-related confiscation efforts entirely with federal tax dollars.

The DUI grant program began in 1988 as a result of lobbying by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). The money is used to entice states to enact tough laws and conduct high-profile education campaigns against alcohol-impaired driving. In 1991, for example, the grants were used to compel states to reduce their legal intoxication standard from a blood alcohol level of 0.10 to 0.08.

Despite approval from the US Supreme Court, several state supreme courts including Michigan and Rhode Island have found drunk-driving roadblocks unconstitutional. An Albuquerque, New Mexico court recently found a DUI car seizure ordinance unconstitutional.

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Excerpts from the bill / article at the link.

Let me see if I can get this straight. The fedguv takes my money away at the point of a gun (if necessary), then sends it to my state and local governments, who then have an incentive to interfere with my right to travel, and then sniff around to find an excuse to confiscate my vehicle and other property.

Incidentally, it was the same mechanism that was used to mandate seat belts, .08 BAC for proof of intoxication, etc.

Whatever happened to Republicans being the party of small, limited federal government?

1 posted on 08/16/2005 5:58:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

This time it really is Bush's Fault!


2 posted on 08/16/2005 5:59:18 PM PDT by zzen01
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To: zzen01

can they add a tobacco and cell phone amendment? As long as they're confiscating my stuff, I want as many as possible to go down with me.


3 posted on 08/16/2005 6:01:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: elkfersupper

"Whatever happened to Republicans being the party of small, limited federal government?"

Surely you jest.


4 posted on 08/16/2005 6:02:41 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: elkfersupper
The DUI grant program began in 1988 as a result of lobbying by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD).

I thought non-profits weren't supposed to "lobby".

5 posted on 08/16/2005 6:03:08 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
"Incidentally, it was the same mechanism that was used to mandate seat belts, .08 BAC for proof of intoxication, etc."

Do not think for a moment that they intend to stop at 0.08; they will chip away, 0.075... 0.07, etc until you basically can't drive after any number of drinks, no matter how acceptable your condition.

6 posted on 08/16/2005 6:03:54 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: BipolarBob
can they add a tobacco and cell phone amendment? As long as they're confiscating my stuff, I want as many as possible to go down with me.

You forgot the hamburger ordinance.

7 posted on 08/16/2005 6:04:23 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: agitator
Surely you jest.

Forgot the sarcasm tag. Is this you?

theagitator.com

8 posted on 08/16/2005 6:06:54 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

You are sooo right. The evil hydrogenated trans-fat. Gotta a Big-Mac in your car, mister? Well it ain't your car no more. Hahahahah.


9 posted on 08/16/2005 6:07:13 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: elkfersupper
The law adds automobile impoundment and seizure to the list of acceptable "alcohol-impaired driving countermeasures" eligible for federal grant money

Where does it say you have a right to drive drunk?

10 posted on 08/16/2005 6:07:54 PM PDT by konaice
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To: SteveMcKing
they will chip away, 0.075... 0.07, etc until you basically can't drive after any number of drinks, no matter how acceptable your condition.

It's actually that now. Maine proposed .04 this week.

11 posted on 08/16/2005 6:08:42 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

no, that's not me, this is me:

http://taor.agitator.dynip.com/on_law.htm


12 posted on 08/16/2005 6:10:10 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: konaice
Where does it say you have a right to drive drunk?

Where does it say what "alcohol-impaired" is?

It appears to be whatever the LEO wants it to be.

13 posted on 08/16/2005 6:10:18 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: agitator

Bookmarked. Very exhaustive. I've run across that before.


14 posted on 08/16/2005 6:11:50 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
It appears to be whatever the LEO wants it to be.

Its what ever YOUR LEGISLATURE says it is...

You Voted for these guys, go down and sit in their office till they pay attention, or run for office yourself.

15 posted on 08/16/2005 6:13:46 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice
Its what ever YOUR LEGISLATURE says it is..

MADD lied to my legislature and got 'em all girly and emotional.

They have time to show up every time the doors open. I don't. I have to work in order to provide tax dollars to those who want to enslave me and steal my property.

16 posted on 08/16/2005 6:16:30 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

confiscation of automobiles for resale? now this has gone way too far! Travel documents in hand....... the Gestapo says these papers are NOT in order.
Surely this will get a court challenge...... but considering the courts allowing eminent domain confiscation I fear private property in America is going the way of the DoDo bird.


17 posted on 08/16/2005 6:17:15 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: elkfersupper
I think we fool ourselves with this republican small government thing. Every republican since Lincoln has increased the size and power of the federal government and every democrat throughout history has done the same thing. Governments grow because it is what they do. It is really horribly sad.
18 posted on 08/16/2005 6:18:26 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: o_zarkman44
Surely this will get a court challenge

This is your fedguv bribing the states. There ain't gonna' be any court challenge that hasn't already taken place and gone (mostly) the wrong way.

19 posted on 08/16/2005 6:22:41 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Well, getting rid of drunken truckers is a fine objective. We will quickly, however, get a racial profiling complaint as Mexican trucks are stopped, trucks too dangerous to driven on US roads, or uninsured or carrying cargos of Fox's drugs or loads of illegal aliens, including muslim terrorists.


20 posted on 08/16/2005 6:26:23 PM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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To: Tacis

Yuppers to all that.


21 posted on 08/16/2005 6:31:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: konaice
ADDENDUM:

Read this and get back to me

Back Door to Prohibition: The New War on Social Drinking

22 posted on 08/16/2005 6:40:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
And this (Link didn't post).

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT GROSSLY BLOATS THE STATISTICS ON DRINKING AND DRIVING. IN FACT, THE PROBLEM IS ESSENTIALLY NONEXISTENT.

23 posted on 08/16/2005 6:43:21 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
It appears to be whatever the LEO wants it to be.

You got that right, sweetheart! There are no more "peace officers."

True, good old-fashioned lawmen are a thing of the past. Today's cops are nothing more than revenue agents for the state and prostitutes for MADD.

24 posted on 08/16/2005 6:46:33 PM PDT by inneroutlaw
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To: CSM

Ping.


25 posted on 08/16/2005 6:54:27 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: satchmodog9

I'm sorry to name the only exception, because other than he, you're quite right. Calvin Coolidge. The other 'Pubbie presidents after the 19th century have all been SMAGINOs.


26 posted on 08/16/2005 7:03:11 PM PDT by SAJ (`)
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To: elkfersupper

This is good news if it holds up.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462178/posts


27 posted on 08/16/2005 7:24:33 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: elkfersupper

This kind on nonsense is what floats their boats in DC. It's obviously more important to them than stopping illegal immigration...

Which reminds me when mayor Jerry Brown set up some DUI road blocks in Oakland California but was pressured to stop them because too many illegal aliens were getting their automobiles confiscated


28 posted on 08/16/2005 7:29:24 PM PDT by dennisw (G_D : Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: konaice

Not when "Your Legislature" whines that they "HAVE" to pass the new standards into state law due to federal BLACKMAIL!

These BLACKMAIL schemes being perpetrated by "our" Gov. Org. are shameful beyond civil description, amounting to sedition.

And both parties are happy to continue the BLACKMAIL in order to promote their pet causes.


29 posted on 08/16/2005 8:52:52 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge; EagleUSA; Happy2BMe; Spiff; moehoward; Pelham; afnamvet

ping


30 posted on 08/16/2005 9:16:52 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: elkfersupper; SteveMcKing

"It's actually that now. Maine proposed .04 this week."

Swallow some mouthwash, and you're f*cked!


31 posted on 08/16/2005 9:17:49 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: elkfersupper
Whatever happened to Republicans being the party of small, limited federal government?

Many of us here are asking ourselves that same question. It's all about power, money and greed.

32 posted on 08/16/2005 9:22:29 PM PDT by afnamvet (Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom™)
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To: afnamvet

"Many of us here are asking ourselves that same question"

It just keeps getting worse and worse, doesn't it?

I will bet in a 5-10 years you will see Republicans pushing for socialist health care...


33 posted on 08/16/2005 9:28:19 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Sure glad I take my boat to the bar.


34 posted on 08/16/2005 9:28:57 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

you lucky bastard... :)


35 posted on 08/16/2005 9:29:58 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
It just keeps getting worse and worse, doesn't it?

Yes, it does. I fear for our nation and our sovereignty.

36 posted on 08/16/2005 9:32:38 PM PDT by afnamvet (Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom™)
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To: konaice

"Where does it say you have a right to drive drunk?"

Define drunk.


37 posted on 08/17/2005 9:23:57 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: elkfersupper

Thanks for the ping. Here's a little something in return:

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)


38 posted on 08/17/2005 9:25:00 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: konaice
"Where does it say you have a right to drive drunk?"

No one has the right to drive drunk. But the law provides for the seizure of vehicles prior to a finding of guilt by a jury. And that is thoroughly unconstitutional.
39 posted on 08/17/2005 9:28:03 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: moehoward

"Sure glad I take my boat to the bar."

Your ripe for a DUI. I don't know your state of residence, but many states are able to charge for DUI for just about anything. From cars, to bicycles to boats to horses, all will result in a DUI.

Good luck.


40 posted on 08/17/2005 9:29:02 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM

Not sure what you mean by ripe.

There is always a possibility of being boarded, although in 20 tears of boat ownership I have yet to have it happen. Taking the boat does however pretty much eliminate the "roadblock/checkpoint" factor.


41 posted on 08/17/2005 9:51:14 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: CSM

oops. tears....make that years!


42 posted on 08/17/2005 9:52:17 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

Just to clarify, if you are driving a boat, or rowing a boat or paddling a canoe, you are subject to the same DUI laws as anyone driving a car. All your state needs to do is realize the revenue that can be generated and the "inspections" will begin.

I hope that doesn't occure where you live like it has in Michigan.


43 posted on 08/17/2005 9:55:03 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: elkfersupper

This is one of the factors that caused me to to go up to the library and start looking into the topics of rights and public property in the first place. There were a couple of other events as well. There is a lot of reading, and it isn't at all like studying math and physics like I have been doing all my life. It is necessary to read back, back, back in philosophy, which is something I never intended to do. I even have Aristotle's and Plato's works on the state on my bookshelf. What a mess!


44 posted on 08/17/2005 9:58:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: o_zarkman44; Know your rights
confiscation of automobiles for resale? now this has gone way too far!

This kind of thing was ok when they were just doing it to druggies, but now they've gone too far with the power we've ceded to them!

45 posted on 08/17/2005 10:00:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: elkfersupper
"Whatever happened to Republicans being the party of small, limited federal government?"


It was all just a lie.

So why can't "We The People" make recess appointments?

While all the dunderheads in DC are home on break, we should replace them..............all of them.
46 posted on 08/17/2005 10:04:45 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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To: CSM

This is nothing new. If they could make money from your shoes they would impound/auction them too.

A motivated cop can and will fabricate a situation to validate his actions.

If anything you have fewer protections on the water. The Coast Guard or local patrol boat cop can board you without reason for a safety check. They do tend to focus on the smaller boats though.

The way I see it, all this heavy-handed DUI garbage will just lead to more folks getting wise to opting out of field sobriety/breathalyzer checks. Fact is you're screwed anyway, don't help them by giving them evidence


47 posted on 08/17/2005 10:12:56 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: freepatriot32

ping


48 posted on 08/17/2005 11:35:31 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here

This question gos out to everyone on freerepublic that voted republican in the last election hopeing to shrink the size and scope of the government.Do you still feel like your vote wasnt wasted?I'm not ever going to throw my vote away in anymore elections I will vote straight libertarian ticket from now on.

49 posted on 08/17/2005 11:47:05 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: SAJ

I know what a RINO is, but what's a SMAGINO?


50 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:26 AM PDT by Rob_DSM
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