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Call to restock North America’s large mammals (Lions, Tigers,Bears Alert)
NewScientist.com ^ | 18:00 17 August 2005 | Kurt Kleiner

Posted on 08/17/2005 10:56:34 AM PDT by 11th_VA

Elephants, lions, cheetahs and camels could one day roam the western US under a proposal to recreate North American landscapes as they existed more than 13,000 years ago, when humans first encountered them.

The plan, proposed in a commentary in Nature and co-authored by 13 ecologists and conservation biologists, would help enrich a North American ecosystem that was left almost devoid of large mammals at the end of the Pleistocene period. It would also help preserve wildlife that faces the threat of extinction in Africa and Asia.

Between 50,000 and 10,000 years ago, 97 of 150 genera of large mammals disappeared from around the world. Although a warming climate played its part, the consensus is that over-hunting by humans probably had a significant role.

In North America, by about 13,000 years ago, humans were leaving evidence of big-game hunting using sophisticated stone tools. This hunting probably helped to drive many animals to extinction, including North American mammoths and mastodons, lions, cheetahs, camelops (a relative of the modern camel), horses and asses.

50-year plan

Although those animals are gone forever, related African and Asian species could serve as proxies, the authors say. They propose introducing the animals over 50 years, starting with horses, asses and camels, working up to elephants, and finally bringing in the big cats.

Eventually, the animals could roam in preserves hundreds of thousands of hectares in size. The best place to create this “Pleistocene Park” would be in the North American Great Plains, where the human population is relatively low and the grazing animals would have a ready supply of food.

But other conservationists think it is a bad idea. Chris Haney, a conservation biologist at Defenders of Wildlife in Washington, DC, US, says that substituting modern equivalents of extinct species will not be the same as restoring the ancient ecosystem. And he thinks it would detract from more pressing and “realistic” goals, such as restoring wolves, grizzlies, elk and other animals to their historic North American ranges. Even those reintroductions have faced bitter opposition from ranchers, farmers, and residents.

"I need to work on wolves, not mastodons," agrees Douglas Inkley, senior science adviser to the National Wildlife Federation in Reston, Virginia, US.

Journal reference: Nature (vol 436, p 913)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andtototoo; godsgravesglyphs; mammoth; mammoths; mammothtoldme; notinkansasanymore; ohmy
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I think we should put the park on the border with Mexico ...
1 posted on 08/17/2005 10:56:41 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Hippos in the Rio Grande.


2 posted on 08/17/2005 10:57:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: 11th_VA
Call to restock North America’s large mammals (Lions, Tigers,Bears Alert)

Oh my!

3 posted on 08/17/2005 10:57:53 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: 11th_VA

There are already plenty of asses in the western states.


4 posted on 08/17/2005 10:58:36 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: 11th_VA

They are insane...


5 posted on 08/17/2005 10:59:05 AM PDT by LRS
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To: 11th_VA

It is time to animate the Saber-toothed Tiger DNA.


6 posted on 08/17/2005 10:59:14 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: 11th_VA

Aren't there already elephants in Oklahoma where "the corn is as high as an elephant's eye?"


7 posted on 08/17/2005 11:01:21 AM PDT by Hoodlum91
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To: 11th_VA

Re: Restocking with Large Mammals.

That's a very stupid idea. Who thinks up this crap anyway? PETA?


8 posted on 08/17/2005 11:01:30 AM PDT by madison10
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To: 11th_VA

Overhunting my a$$! So why didn't the thoroughly depredating humans work they way down the order of animals, by size, and eliminate the bison, the elk, the deer...all the way down through the chipmunks to the common slug?

Those animals died for a reason. The climate no longer supported them. North America saw a huge climate change as the ice sheets retreated.

This doesn't have anything to do with man. But sure enough they blame man for it.


9 posted on 08/17/2005 11:01:46 AM PDT by henkster (When democrats talk of "the rich," they are referring to anyone with a private sector job.)
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To: 11th_VA
the consensus is that over-hunting by humans probably had a significant role.

This can't be! I always thought that the native peoples of North America were great stewards of their domain one with nature.

10 posted on 08/17/2005 11:02:01 AM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: cripplecreek
Hippos in the Rio Grande

'Gators

11 posted on 08/17/2005 11:02:17 AM PDT by Regulator (Poke Salad Annie)
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To: 11th_VA
Thats good f-ing idea. restock the continent with man eating animals, while our population is growing. What a bunch of f-ing nimrods. I have an idea, let's shoot and kill the growing bear, deer, mountain lion, and "critter" populations before they start eating our kids. F-ing retards.
12 posted on 08/17/2005 11:02:29 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: LRS

Can I get my dibs on my own mastadon?

I think if mother nature wanted african elephants in North America, she would have put them there. Why don't we just bring back dinosaurs.


13 posted on 08/17/2005 11:02:29 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: 11th_VA

You'd think that people who beleive so strongly in evolution wouldn't complain so much when it takes its course.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 11:03:16 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: 11th_VA

We have already started doing this with the raising of Micheal Moore. He is the largest mammal we have so far and already a liberal. Isn't that enough?


15 posted on 08/17/2005 11:03:30 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: 11th_VA

Good idea. Hunters will no longer have to travel to Africa to bag that trophy lion or rhino.


16 posted on 08/17/2005 11:03:35 AM PDT by scory
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To: Regulator
Hippos in the Rio Grande

'Gators

LOL !!!

17 posted on 08/17/2005 11:04:11 AM PDT by 11th_VA (http://vdare.com/guzzardi/0508013_mortgages.htm)
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To: Pondman88
Don't hold it in - get it off your chest.

btw - 100% spot on

18 posted on 08/17/2005 11:04:45 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: 11th_VA

Time to send the environmentalists somewhere else, perhaps they could 'restock' Europe and leave us alone?


19 posted on 08/17/2005 11:05:02 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: 11th_VA

This idea has been around for several years. One variation is to turn all of middle America from North Dakota through SW Texas into a "Buffalo Commons" with all sorts of animules introduced therein.

I just hope the inmates don't take control of the asylum. This is absolutely nuts. They want to live in the Pleistocene era? They should invest in time travel scams.


20 posted on 08/17/2005 11:05:12 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21
Personally I think this is a great idea!

You wouldn't have to spend all that money to go on safari to Africa to hunt the big stuff! Now if they would just talk of bringing in some Cape Buffalo I'd be all set!

And if they think that stone age man with his "sophisticated stone tools" caused a problem, think what we could do with modern firearms and archery equipment! Hmmm what draw weight would you want for sticking a mastodon?

Semper Fi
21 posted on 08/17/2005 11:05:23 AM PDT by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: Pondman88
In related news, Cougar snatches pet cat near Forest Park
22 posted on 08/17/2005 11:05:39 AM PDT by null and void (Be vewwy vewwy qwiet, we're hunting wahabbits...)
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To: 11th_VA
"This hunting probably helped to drive many animals to extinction, including North American mammoths and mastodons, lions, cheetahs, camelops (a relative of the modern camel), horses and asses."

This is not possible because we are taught that Native Americans were in perfect harmony with the environment.

23 posted on 08/17/2005 11:05:52 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. " - Mohammed)
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To: 11th_VA

Sorry folks. The Great Plains has already been reserved for the return of the buffalo. Anybody heard of Buffalo Commons?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Commons


24 posted on 08/17/2005 11:05:53 AM PDT by loreldan (Lincoln, Reagan, & G. W. Bush - the cure for Democrat lunacy.)
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To: 11th_VA
Yeah, and let's reintroduce cavemen back into the southwest: Oh, I sorry, we've already let that happen.
25 posted on 08/17/2005 11:06:30 AM PDT by mict42
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To: Ole Okie
Put them on the border and watch illegal immigration cease instantly!!
26 posted on 08/17/2005 11:06:30 AM PDT by yobid (Don't pet the sweaty things)
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To: 11th_VA
1000 posts a possibility here.

LOL funny stuff.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

27 posted on 08/17/2005 11:06:49 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: 11th_VA

I don't see how introducing non-native species to this hemisphere would serve to any benefit. Elephants? Camels? On the western plains???

I didn't think camels or elephants like cold winters.


29 posted on 08/17/2005 11:06:59 AM PDT by Outland (Some people are damned lucky that I don't have Bill Gates' checkbook.)
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To: 11th_VA

This is the stupidest idea ever.


30 posted on 08/17/2005 11:07:38 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: 11th_VA
These people are smokin dope. This is one of the craziest ideas I have ever heard.

I think we should take them all (these nuts) and make them live with the Kodiaks in Alaska and see how it takes them to get eaten alive.

Remember--- the only good bear (or maountain lion) is a dead bear.

31 posted on 08/17/2005 11:07:56 AM PDT by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: 11th_VA

Cool!


32 posted on 08/17/2005 11:08:07 AM PDT by sharktrager (My life is like a box of chocolates, but someone took all the good ones.)
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To: don-o
1000 posts a possibility here.

i HAVEN'T HAD ONE OF THOSE IN YEARS !!!

33 posted on 08/17/2005 11:08:40 AM PDT by 11th_VA (http://vdare.com/guzzardi/0508013_mortgages.htm)
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To: henkster

"Those animals died for a reason. The climate no longer supported them. North America saw a huge climate change as the ice sheets retreated."

Yeah, but the humanoids caused this global warming, with their campfires, didn't they?


34 posted on 08/17/2005 11:09:00 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: mhking

ping;


35 posted on 08/17/2005 11:09:08 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: 11th_VA

Since most of the land is private they would need to expand the Eminent Domain practices.

This is a really stupid idea.


36 posted on 08/17/2005 11:09:24 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: 11th_VA
The release of large carnivores sounds like something for the leadership of PETA to handle personally:

Panthers Eating Terrorist A**holes

37 posted on 08/17/2005 11:09:34 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: 11th_VA

Where are they gonna get Giant Sloths, Saber Toothed Tigers, Mastodons and/or Wooly Mammoths?................


38 posted on 08/17/2005 11:09:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: Red Badger

Easy. Didn't you see Jurassic Park?


39 posted on 08/17/2005 11:11:45 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Outland

There were ancestral camels and horses here............Till someone ate them........


40 posted on 08/17/2005 11:11:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: 11th_VA

No. the largest NA mammals -- giant sloths and other megafauna -- were all hunted to extinction by that paragon of living with nature in harmony, the American Indian.


41 posted on 08/17/2005 11:12:02 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: edcoil

Although, if fire ants ever get this far north, I would entertain importing giant anteaters...


42 posted on 08/17/2005 11:12:50 AM PDT by LRS
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To: 11th_VA
Interesting.  Ordinarily, the people living in the western hemisphere for the past 10k years are referred to with hyphenated names like 'Native-American'.   Here we're talking about people killing everything in sight, so we call them 'humans'.
43 posted on 08/17/2005 11:12:59 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 11th_VA

How about we move these nutters who dream up this nonsense to another part of the world? That would greatly improve our ecosystem.
Hunters with sophisticated stone tools, yeah right...
An ice age had absolutely nothing to do with it. I wonder where they are going to get dinosausers from?


44 posted on 08/17/2005 11:13:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: don-o

There is a movement underway to really try and re-establish the Mammoth/Mastodon using frozen carcasess from Siberia and using cell nuclei to fertilize an elephant egg. That WOULD be AWESOME!.......


45 posted on 08/17/2005 11:13:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: Pondman88

What you said, Pondman!

ROFL!


46 posted on 08/17/2005 11:13:41 AM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: pabianice

Just like when the got guns and helped to wipe out the buffalo herds.


47 posted on 08/17/2005 11:14:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: 11th_VA
Jurassic Park!

The people who support this plan should be placed in the enclosures to make sure the animals don't go hungry. And they should have to pay every penny of the project's cost, too.

48 posted on 08/17/2005 11:15:09 AM PDT by American Quilter
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To: John O

I guess it would give me more target practice!


49 posted on 08/17/2005 11:15:34 AM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: George Smiley

Hmmmm, a hundred mile wide large predator park from San Diego to Corpus Christi...


50 posted on 08/17/2005 11:16:27 AM PDT by null and void (Be vewwy vewwy qwiet, we're hunting wahabbits...)
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