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Muslim Strategy Aims for Rule of Islam in Europe
The New Zealand Herald [Auckland] ^ | August 18, 2005 | Garth George

Posted on 08/17/2005 1:46:56 PM PDT by quidnunc

I came across an article the other day which, in the light of the London bombings and other acts of Muslim terrorism in Western Europe, gave me cause to reflect afresh on the growing population of Muslims here in New Zealand.

I offer no opinion on what follows; I record it merely for those who have an interest in such matters, and because there seems to be a dearth of this sort of analytical writing down this end of the world.

The article, headed "The Islamisation of Europe", was written by Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, who is director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, the research arm of the Christian aid agency Barnabas Fund based in Pewsey, Wiltshire.

According to Dr Sookhdeo, Europe is undergoing a rapid process of change as Muslims make their presence felt in politics, economics, law, education and the media.

Europe, he says, is being transformed into a society in which Islam takes its place not just as an equal with the many other faith communities but often as the dominant player.

It is, says Dr Sookhdeo, not happening by chance but is the result of a careful and deliberate strategy by certain Muslim leaders which was planned in 1980 when the Islamic Council of Europe published a book called Muslim Communities in Non-Muslim States, which clearly explained the Islamic agenda in Europe.

The instructions given in the book told Muslims to get together and organise themselves into viable Muslim communities based on Islamic principles. This was the duty of every individual Muslim living in a non-Muslim country.

They should set up mosques, community centres and Islamic schools. At all costs they must avoid being assimilated by the majority, and to resist assimilation must group themselves geographically, forming areas of high Muslim concentration within the population as a whole.

Yet they must also interact with non-Muslims so as to share the message of Islam with them.

The ultimate goal was for Muslims to become the majority and the entire nation be governed according to Islam.

Dr Sookhdeo admits that not all Muslims support that action plan and many are happy to become integrated within the majority society.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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The Islamisation of Europe

On Friday 20th May 2005 a crowd of some 300 Muslims burned a wooden cross outside the American embassy in London. This was part of a protest against the rumoured desecration of a Qur'an by American soldiers in Guantanamo Bay, during which British and American flags were also burned. Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of this event was that it was not deemed to be newsworthy, receiving little attention in the national press.

The whole scenario is reminiscent of what happens in so many Muslim-majority countries: a rumour of an insult to Islam, a violent and blasphemous anti-Christian reaction, police watching idly, and a complete lack of public interest let alone outrage. It could have been Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia or Northern Nigeria. But it was the UK.

Europe is undergoing a rapid process of change as Muslims make their presence felt in politics, economics, law, education and the media. While there is a wide range of attitudes amongst Muslims in Europe, with many who are broadly content with the status quo and just want to live their lives peacefully, others are striving deliberately to drive forward the changes.

As a result of the efforts of the latter, Europe is gradually being transformed into a society in which Islam takes its place, not just as an equal alongside the many other faith communities, but often as the dominant player. This is not purely, or even primarily, a matter of numbers, but is more a matter of control of the structures of society. It is not happening by chance but is the result of a careful and deliberate strategy by certain Muslim leaders.

Though the effects are only now becoming noticeable, the planning was done decades ago. In 1980 the Islamic Council of Europe published a book called Muslim Communities in Non-Muslim States which clearly explained the Islamic agenda in Europe. When Muslims live as a minority they face theological problems, because classical Islamic teaching always presupposed a context of Islamic dominance; hence the need for guidance on how to live in non-Muslim states. The instructions given in the book told Muslims to get together and organise themselves with the aim of establishing a viable Muslim community based on Islamic principles. This is the duty of every individual Muslim living within a non-Muslim political entity. They should set up mosques, community centres and Islamic schools. At all costs they must avoid being assimilated by the majority. In order to resist assimilation, they must group themselves geographically, forming areas of high Muslim concentration within the population as a whole. Yet they must also interact with non-Muslims so as to share the message of Islam with them. Every Muslim individual is required to participate in the plan; it is not allowed for anyone simply to live as a "good Muslim" without assisting the overall strategy. The ultimate goal of this strategy is that the Muslims should become a majority and the entire nation be governed according to Islam. (M. Ali Kettani "The Problems of Muslim Minorities and their Solutions" in Muslim Communities in Non-Muslim States (London: Islamic Council of Europe, 1980) pp.96-105) Not all Muslims would support this action plan. The more secularized are happy to become integrated within the majority society. Even amongst those who agree on the ultimate goal of creating an Islamic state, there are differences about methodology i.e. whether this should be a slow and peaceful transition, or whether it should be hastened by means of political dominance or even — say some — by violence.

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(Patrick Sookhdeo in the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, August 11, 2005)
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1 posted on 08/17/2005 1:46:56 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Eurabia is a distinct possibility........
2 posted on 08/17/2005 1:49:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: quidnunc; shaggy eel

Don't be surprised by Garth George. He is the token conservative on the very left-leaning Herald. Notice that when New Zealand gets conservative, they are extremely conservative and Garthy boy is probably to the right of most conservatives on this issue.

Ping to shaggy!


3 posted on 08/17/2005 1:50:15 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: quidnunc
We in the West have so much to look forward to...one day our culture will be as advanced as Afghanistan under the Taliban. I can't wait to trade my car in for a burro.

If the muslims had some good marketing people they would know...don't take your product to market until you have worked out all the kinks. And if your product just doesn't work, toss it in the trash and start over from scratch.

4 posted on 08/17/2005 1:58:42 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: quidnunc

You dont need a crystal ball to see the islamisation of europe. Thousands of muslims migrate legally and illegally to europe every day. They are mostly N.Africans and Pakistanis.

Europe also supports terror by giving "sanctuary" to these islamo fascists. London, Zurich, Amsterdam, Paris, Rome and Berlin are all host to some of the most radical muslims in the world.


5 posted on 08/17/2005 1:59:55 PM PDT by Black Beak
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To: quidnunc
Europe, he says, is being transformed into a society in which Islam takes its place not just as an equal with the many other faith communities but often as the dominant player.

I find this statement interesting only in that as a military person who has been in and out of Europe since 1987 I can say that I see this statement being true as a direct result of Europeans LEAVING their faiths behind. The more secular it becomes the easily more dominant the Islamic faith ( And its associated Islamofacist types) becomes. In Great Britain you can see the results of letting anything go when it comes to the out-right hate speech of the muslums and their blatant call to set up an islamic form of government through-out Europe.

They can thank themselves for allowing it all to happen.

6 posted on 08/17/2005 2:00:15 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Red Badger

Eurabia is a FACT. Just do a Google search on it - I believe the project is now called Medea or something along that line.

It is no longer a secret behind the scenes sort of agreement. It is now openly discussed.


7 posted on 08/17/2005 2:00:17 PM PDT by datura (Molon Labe)
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To: quidnunc
One Year(Now 4) after 9-11 - Care to answer a few Questions?

Some tough questions for the Islamists
and their American Apologists
- my comments by Van Jenerette



"If you ask a man who beats his wife if he is still beating her, he will most likely tell you one of two things. First, he'll tell you that he never raised a hand to her. But, if you have the proof that he beat her, he will then tell you that she did something to provoke him and it was really her fault."

- Excuses to Give when You are a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing

   
...when 18-Muslim guys hijack airplanes full of ordinary people and crash them into buildings full of ordinary people, and tell us that they did it for Allah and Islam - it's pretty convincing for us to believe that they did it, well, for Allah and Islam. Now you come along and say it isn't true?
 

Some Simple Questions

"If Jihad; by definition does not include the concept of a violent 'Holy War', why do so many Islamic clerics and followers of the Muslim religion keep using it for justification of their killing of other people of other faiths or nations? Can these millions of readers of the Koran have it that wrong?"

 

On the 1st Anniversary of 9-11 many of us are really glad to hear that the NEA, the Saudi Royal Family, the University of North Carolina, and an assortment of other Colleges and groups are out to clear up misconceptions of Islam that most non-Muslim American's seem to have. What a crowd to share one bed! To advance the notion that Muslims' and Islam are against terrorism sounds like a bold and interesting initiative, especially since the 11 September terrorist attacks on the United States were done by people who were both Muslims and terrorists. That's a rough Public Relations job.

You've got to understand, many of us here in America get confused pretty easily when 18-Muslim guys hijack airplanes full of ordinary people and crash them into buildings full of ordinary people, and tell us that they did it for Allah and Islam - it's pretty convincing for us to believe that they did it, well, for Allah and Islam. Now you come along and say it isn't true? I mean, these guys were about to die, why would they lie? You can understand our confusion, can't you?

I realize that you think that many Americans are unfair if they make a connection of Islam with terrorism - That's not exactly a stretch; I mean it is a reasonable conclusion to make, given the terrorists had Islamic prayers and instructions along with quotations from the Koran with them? Honestly, if these hijackers left behind letters that said they took down the WTC and the Pentagon on instructions from their grandmothers- we'd probably suspect a connection to dear old granny. We just need some clarification - were these terrorists' Muslims or not?

By the way, one high level Arab said in an interview, "It is incumbent upon us, as Arabs and Muslims, women and men, not only to state but, more importantly, to demonstrate that Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, love, compassion and mercy," I really wanted to ask you about that group that calls themselves the Islamic Jihad - aren't they terrorists? Why would they call themselves Islamic if they weren't and then add Jihad to their name if its not related to the terrorism that they do as an occupation? I mean, I didn't make up that name - they did! I'm getting lost here pretty fast...

Well, I must admit though, I've heard some people make the excuse that these terrorists; including Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, have gone out and 'hijacked' Isalm. Wow, these guys do get around; planes, trains, maybe mail and an entire religion, all hijacked. Ask any Islamic mosque leader in the middle of America, you do have a PR problem. A really BIG one.

I can see why you want to promote a better image of yourselves. You aren't doing too good of a job right now with most of America. You are probably scratching your head about why many of us link Islam and Muslims to terrorisim, especially since we don't label someone like Timothy McVeigh as a 'Christian terrorist.' Well, I never heard him say that he brought down the Federal Building for Jesus or God, or Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John even, and I never saw a photo of him holding an AK-47, Grenades and a Holy Book like most 'self-proclaimed' Islamic terrorists' have done on a routine basis.

You have to understand, despite our low SAT scores, and low verbal and math scores, most of us do actually think on our own - once in a while, especially about serious things. I mean, despite American PS education we aren't that slow to catch on, all the time.

Well, I'd like to ask some simple questions that you could address next time you are interested in holding a 'setting-the-record-straight' session about Islam and Muslims. Okay?

Just relax, take deep breath and be yourself and answer these as honestly as you can and I'm sure that a lot of the confusion about Muslims, Islam and Terrorists can be cleared up, pronto!

QUESTION #1: Are there two versions of the Koran floating around out there. If so, what is the difference between the Koran that the Terrorists are reading, and the Koran that the rest of the Muslim world is reading? Is there an Original Koran and Revised Koran? If so, who is reading which version? I mean, someone has to have the Koran right and someone else has to have it wrong! Right?

QUESTION #2: There seems to be no shortage of Muslims who agree with Bin Laden and other Terrorism Inc. members, et. al. Maybe millions. Shouldn't you have a program for these 'wayward' Muslims and their followers who have 'hijacked' Islam about the true meaning of the Koran and Islam?

QUESTION#3: Does Islam means peace, or does it mean surrender or submission as I've read in Arabic?

QUESTION#4: Why are you making such a large effort to convince Christians and other non-Muslims in America that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant, kind, and respectful religion, but there is no such direct effort to convey the same messages into the Mosques, the Arab Muslim world; and especially to those Muslims in Gaza, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Tajikistan, the Philippines, the West Bank, Sudan, Chechnya, etc.?

QUESTION#5: Why are Christian churches, Christian worship and Christian preaching banned in so many Islamic nations if Islam is so tolerant of all faiths?

QUESTION#6: Why don't you have an information session or sermon, where you tell Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, the Taliban and other Muslims who agree with them, that they have the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad all wrong?

QUESTION#7: Do you remember the author Salman Rushdie? Many of your religious leaders didn't waste anytime putting a price [FATWA] on his head and all he did is write a book that broke Islamic Law. Why don't you put a price on Osama Bin Laden directly and condemn him and other terrorist organizations as apostates for going against the 'peaceful, tolerant' Muslim Religion?

QUESTION#8: This is a very hard question that you may not want to answer. It is about Israel. Why haven't Muslims everywhere; including you'all (that's Southern for - All of You; up north it's pronounced Youse Guys), condemned the bombings of Disco's, Pizzeria's, or the killing of civilians and of school children in Israel?

QUESTION#9: Just what does the word 'innocent' mean in your language or the religion of Islam. This answer could clear up a lot of uneasiness for many of us in the USA. Like, is a U.S. Postal worker 'innocent'? How about a 2-year old baby on a plane with his parents? How about a fireman trying to save lives in a burning building, even if they are Muslims and he is a Christian - is he an 'innocent?'

QUESTION#10: If Jihad; by definition does not include the concept of a violent 'Holy War', why do so many Islamic clerics and followers of the Muslim religion keep using it for justification of their killing of other people of other faiths or nations? Can these millions of readers of the Koran have it that wrong?

QUESTION#11: This is a personal kinda question but, I'm still not sure as a Christian, if I'm considered a non-believer that Muslims should live in peace with or if I am an infidel that should be avoided or killed for my corrupt life style, or my religious belief of Jesus Christ and the Trinity of God. I'd sure like to know.

QUESTION#12: Finally, I do watch a lot of T.V., and I have a question, just who were those people and children out into the streets in the Middle Eastern part of the world that cheered the deaths of thousands of innocent people on September 11th. Those happy people couldn't have been Muslims or Islamic could they?

Sorry for the long list of questions. But, I would suggest some direct and specific answers that would help all of us in the USA to gain a new understanding of Islam and the Muslim world.

Not that I'm in a position to give you any tips, but most Americans like straight talk - not spin - so I would recommend that you avoid a history about the Crusades of the 11th and 12th centuries, after all Muslim armies did invade Europe and were stopped in central France in 732; or the U.S. foreign policy crap, or the rage of Muslims, or the Palestinians claims to the same lands as the Israelis, or comparisons to Christianity and Judaism, or US support for repressive undemocratic regimes such as Saudi Arabia; aren't most of the 55-57 Muslim nations around the world 'undemocratic? And please, no stories of poverty or hunger, or the CIA, or other 'look-behind-you' answers. Just straight talk goes over real big here in the United States.

Don't misread us because of some educated idiots at the University of North Carolina make their students read a well edited 'early' version of selections from the Koran - most of us realized that is like telling a battered wife that to better understand why her husband tried to kill her the police and the judge will read his love letters and watch video's of the wedding day and honey moon vacation. Oh, sure. We'll get a clear understanding of the who-whats-and-whys of wife killers from that exercise!

I have to hand it to you though, you must have watched a few of Oprah's show of Islam 101 or the evening news with Dan Rather or Peter Jennings and figured they weren't doing a very good job. Those are some small shoes to fill.

Anyway, good luck with this enterprise. Us Americans would like nothing better than the truth about Islam and Muslims and the TRUE 'official' position of this 'growing' religion when it comes to terrorism and jihad.

Oh by the way; while you are at it, perhaps you can tape a "Understanding Islam" broadcast and send some shows to Muslim areas of the world to help set the record straight for some of the people who share Islam: You might consider instructing 'wayward' Muslims and their followers who have 'hijacked' Islam about the true meaning of the Koran and Islam. The bottom line is, I really don't care about the religion. Tell the Muslims about their religion. Now there's a new thought; just tell the Muslims who have their Koran, Islam and the Prophets' message all wrong - that they have it backwards and inside out. They seem to be the ones who need to understand the 'true' meaning of the Koran and Islam.

I am looking forward to some answers.

thank you,

Van Jenerette
Ph.D. Candidate, University of South Carolina
Joe Average American Citizen; who drives a Dodge Pick-Up Truck

 
P.S. I almost forgot, just one more question. There was a story about American Servicemen who were Muslim and one said he avoided the infantry because of the possibility of going to war against a Muslim nation. "Facing the thought of killing other Muslims was awkward for me..." says Abdelwahed, 37." - Newsweek, October 15, 2001 pg.40
So, can I conclude that a Muslim in the U.S. military, wouldn't have any problem or feel awkward with killing Christians or Jews or Buddists or Idolators or anyone else just as long as it wasn't a Muslim? I'm just curious...



Another POST SCRIPT Question: By the way, don't most Islamic countries practice HONOR KILLINGs? I figure any people who can kill their own daughters are capable of killing just about anyone...
 
 

Our Republic...If we can keep it...

 

8 posted on 08/17/2005 2:08:09 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)
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To: Black Beak

Muslims breed like flies, and this is their stratetgy to over-populate the world and gain control, while other nations have long been seeking to control populations, and the strategy of Muslims is working. We are being over run by masses who have caused their countries to overflow with people.


9 posted on 08/17/2005 2:09:37 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: quidnunc
Yet they must also interact with non-Muslims so as to share the message of Islam with them. The problem is the message
10 posted on 08/17/2005 2:12:59 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Dark Skies

Yes, indeed there is an up side. Just imagine all those NOW and NARAL nags wearing burkas. Hey, and Barbara Boxer too!


11 posted on 08/17/2005 2:15:13 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Malesherbes

What about Hillary! This ain't so bad after all.


12 posted on 08/17/2005 2:18:12 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Van Jenerette

BTTT!


13 posted on 08/17/2005 2:20:46 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: quidnunc
At all costs they must avoid being assimilated by the majority. In order to resist assimilation, they must group themselves geographically, forming areas of high Muslim concentration within the population as a whole. Yet they must also interact with non-Muslims so as to share the message of Islam with them. Every Muslim individual is required to participate in the plan; it is not allowed for anyone simply to live as a "good Muslim" without assisting the overall strategy. The ultimate goal of this strategy is that the Muslims should become a majority and the entire nation be governed according to Islam.

It appears as though Muslims in Paris and Holland are well on their way to achieving their goals. They've made these goals known to the public around them and the French seem to be ignoring it and the Dutch seemed to have awakened, but a bit too late. And we have any number of those sympathetic to their aims here.

On Friday 20th May 2005 a crowd of some 300 Muslims burned a wooden cross outside the American embassy in London. -snip- a rumour of an insult to Islam, a violent and blasphemous anti-Christian reaction, police watching idly, and a complete lack of public interest let alone outrage. It could have been Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia or Northern Nigeria. But it was the UK.

Burned a cross in public in a (once) Christian country and no one seemed to even care. And the police stood idly by while the cross in front of the American embassy in London burned? I didn't see this on the news. Yet the alleged desecration of the Quran still makes headlines. We are complacent to the end it seems. Won't be much of a victory for them if they succeed in the Islamisation of Europe, much of Europe has just rolled over and gone back to sleep.

14 posted on 08/17/2005 2:21:36 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: quidnunc

But...but...but...they're needed to prop up the socialist pyramid scheme for a few more years.


15 posted on 08/17/2005 2:22:14 PM PDT by BinaryBoy
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To: Van Jenerette

Best post I've seen in months.


16 posted on 08/17/2005 2:26:02 PM PDT by DesignerChick
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To: quidnunc

bttt


17 posted on 08/17/2005 2:27:56 PM PDT by kalee
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To: ICE-FLYER

Looks like it might happen.

18 posted on 08/17/2005 2:28:03 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Whether you're rich or poor....it's nice to have money.)
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To: tessalu
Muslims breed like flies, and this is their stratetgy to over-populate the world and gain control...

In 1974, Boumedienne, the former President of Algeria, said in a speech at the U.N.:

"One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory."

19 posted on 08/17/2005 2:31:32 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: ICE-FLYER
They can thank themselves for allowing it all to happen.

And what about the U.S.? Are we any better? I think not. Just look how we tiptoe around Muslims so as not to cause offense. Makes me want to puke.

20 posted on 08/17/2005 2:33:10 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever
And what about the U.S.? Are we any better? I think not. Just look how we tiptoe around Muslims so as not to cause offense. Makes me want to puke.

Yes, we are better off. We are losing the hypersensitivity that I agree is still around. But it is my position that we are losing it and people are starting to stand up against the crap that England allowed up until recently.

Now, I wish that we would do what England has done and deport these racist bastard pigs or jail them for their threats should they make them.

21 posted on 08/17/2005 2:43:46 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: quidnunc

The WAR that islam started against the rest of the entire world in the 7th century ANNO DOMINI continues apace.

"Who You Gonna Call?"


22 posted on 08/17/2005 2:48:27 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound ("Lead, Follow, or Get the He!! Out of the Way")
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To: DesignerChick; Van Jenerette

Great post, but the answers (if any) will be better!


23 posted on 08/17/2005 2:51:03 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: quidnunc

Nature abhors a vacuum. Christianity has all but vanished from the western European landscape. Some kind of religion is bound to takes it place. Scary.


24 posted on 08/17/2005 2:55:31 PM PDT by greenthumb
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To: quidnunc

I love to hear the Left scream "racist xenophobes" about anyone who brings up this possibility.


25 posted on 08/17/2005 2:56:37 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (Che Guevera isn't cool)
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To: ICE-FLYER

I don't think we are losing our hypersensitivity at all. In fact, we are getting more so. Witness the recent NCAA initiative to have schools adopt "inoffensive" mascots--one small example of many.

9/11 was actually a stupid move on the Muslim's part because it called attention to their evil. Its much easier cook a frog slowly, degree by degree, rather than throwing him into a boiling pot. However, barely four years after 9/11 you see our resolve failing.

The Muslims have an inferior, stagnant civilization, but they are breeding relentlessly. Its a cheap trick, but it appears to be working--intimidating many in the West. The real question is: what will it take to rouse the West from its slow death? I fear it would take a nuke attack on one of our cities.


26 posted on 08/17/2005 2:57:19 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: quidnunc

Here is more of the same, with specifics:

The following very short notes set out the goals for An Islamic Caliphate in Seven Easy Steps, a section of an article called What Al-Qaida Really Wants, in English in Der Spiegel on August 12.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,369448,00.html

Step 1 - The Awakening - 2000-2003 - judged a success, provoke US and awaken Muslims

Step 2 - Opening Eyes - until 2006 - develop into a movement, recruitment of young men

Step 3 - Arising and Standing Up - 2007-2010 - centering in Syria, Turkey, and Israel

Step 4 - 2010-2013 - collapse of Arab governments, attacks on oil suppliers, cyber-terrorism

Step 5 - 2013-2016 - the caliphate is declared - Western influence in Islamic world is so reduced that resistance is not feared - a new Islamic world order

Step 6 - from 2016 onwards - period of total confrontation - the Islamic army of the caliphate will instigate a war of the believers against the non-believers

Step 7 - definitive victory by 2020 - war shouldn’t last more than two years - because the world so beaten down by one-and-a-half-billion Muslims


27 posted on 08/17/2005 2:57:48 PM PDT by Montaignes Cat
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To: texasbluebell
Someone better tell Boumedienne to get the wombs of his women cranked up because Algeria has slipped below replacement fertility recently.
28 posted on 08/17/2005 3:00:03 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Black Beak
London, Zurich, Amsterdam, Paris, Rome and Berlin are all host to some of the most radical muslims in the world.

Along with Seattle. And Amsterdam is a muslim city now, from what I saw of it in May.

29 posted on 08/17/2005 3:01:30 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: quidnunc
The decline and fall of Europe
30 posted on 08/17/2005 3:02:16 PM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: greenthumb
Nature abhors a vacuum. Christianity has all but vanished from the western European landscape.

I love that concept though I usually think of it in political terms. You are right though, there is a huge vacuum in the soul of Europe.

A few years ago I dated a rather pretty girl from Finland and she told me she had one basic rule..."no religious talk, no religion."

Being Southern, I stopped seeing her shortly thereafter but I always wondered where that idea came from.

I think you are right about the vacuum. But I suggest the vacuum is filled with anger and the thing that anger defends against...depression.

I don't think Europe will fall for Islam. I think it will respond violently against Islam. Of course, I could be wrong.

31 posted on 08/17/2005 3:06:47 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Dark Skies
History has shown how Europe reacts to visible minorities. The muslims would be wise to take heed of this. But being muslims they can't help themselves and actually believe allah is on their side.
32 posted on 08/17/2005 3:11:14 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: quidnunc

It is becoming more and more clear that they have to be deported, in order to save civilization itself. They are barbarians who hate freedom and will go to great costs to destroy it.


33 posted on 08/17/2005 3:14:58 PM PDT by DoraC (Islam is no peaceful religion.)
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To: quidnunc; badger
Sad to say, but the muslims will be the victim in the rise of the 4th Richt, and they are truly instigating and playing into those who will rise up and squash them.

The WWII concentration camps won't have anything on what we will see in Europe over in a few years. In WWII, Hitler used the Jews and other minorities to unite Germany. Somebody is going to use muslims to unite Europe.

34 posted on 08/17/2005 3:19:31 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: CzarNicky; Dark Skies

see post 34, I think we are thinking the same unfortunate and awful thing. May God have mercy on them.


35 posted on 08/17/2005 3:21:30 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Sadly I believe we are.


36 posted on 08/17/2005 3:23:22 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Black Beak
Europe also supports terror by giving "sanctuary" to these islamo fascists. London, Zurich, Amsterdam, Paris, Rome and Berlin are all host to some of the most radical muslims in the world.

That's because most of these emigrant radicals were expelled by their home countries, who don't waste their time with political correctness. Some Muslim countries even ban certain extremist groups. Europe is--or perhaps was--less discerning.
37 posted on 08/17/2005 3:24:40 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: CzarNicky
But being muslims they can't help themselves

How true that is. Muslims are completely transparent and stupid. They are playing with fire and Allah, if he even exists, doesn't give a d@mn about muslims...like Mohammed, he is only concerned with Allah.

IMO, Muslims are in for the surprise of the millennium. Muslims think westerners are revolted by their sawing off of heads. That ain't nothing compared to the Holocaust. And that is coming down the tracks...with each terrorist act shoveling more coal in the furnace.

38 posted on 08/17/2005 3:26:59 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I agree...see my #38 above.


39 posted on 08/17/2005 3:28:34 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Dark Skies
...playing with fire and Allah, if he even exists, doesn't give a d@mn about muslims...like Mohammed,...

Oh, he exists alright. His more prominent name is Satan. Why else is there so much in the Koran against Jews and Christians?

40 posted on 08/17/2005 3:43:22 PM PDT by ThomasNast
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To: ThomasNast
Oh, he exists alright. His more prominent name is Satan. Why else is there so much in the Koran against Jews and Christians?

I completely agree, but I have been chided so often (by FRiends no less) to lay off that Allah is Satan thing that I thought I would slide it in on the oblique.

41 posted on 08/17/2005 3:55:50 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Dark Skies

Rest assured that allah is Satan. Simply compare the life and doings of allah's prophet with God's Prophet.


42 posted on 08/17/2005 4:26:21 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

I know...proof is in the puddin'...


43 posted on 08/17/2005 4:30:34 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: ICE-FLYER
We are losing the hypersensitivity that I agree is still around.

I don't agree. The MSM, lawyers, ACLU and judges make sure of that.

44 posted on 08/17/2005 4:49:58 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

You are absolutely right. There is more radicalism in European mosques than mosques in most parts of the arab world. Sigh!!! When will these euro-weasels learn that they are really importing time bombs when they allow immigrants from mullah lands.


45 posted on 08/17/2005 5:57:05 PM PDT by Black Beak
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To: MarMema

Add Oslo to the list!!


46 posted on 08/17/2005 5:58:00 PM PDT by Black Beak
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To: tessalu
Muslims breed like flies

OK..I have sent ur post to the Fly association and they want to sue you for comparing them to Slamo Fascists. :-).

Seriously the demographics should send a shiver through anybody's spine. The immigrants from N.Africa / Pakistan / Arab world are using the welfare states in Europe to breed more and more and then rely on the state to feed these kids. At the same time the native population in these countries is decreasing thanks to the loss of family and religious values.

47 posted on 08/17/2005 6:01:42 PM PDT by Black Beak
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To: Van Jenerette

If you don't mind, I'm hotlinking your #8 on my profile page. Too pointed to lose in the pileup.


49 posted on 08/17/2005 10:42:34 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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