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Christopher Hitchens rips Cindy Sheehan a new oneon Hardball today (Wednesday)
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Posted on 08/17/2005 9:45:04 PM PDT by Charlesj

Wednesday's "Hardball," which was NOT hosted by Chris Matthews, had Christopher Hitchens REALLY laying into Cindy Sheehan. He called her a liar and otherwise stated, in many different ways, she was emotionally over the edge, a coward for lying about what she's said in the past and then not owning up to it, etc.


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KEYWORDS: campfruitcake; cary; christopherhitchens; cindysheehan; cndysheehan; hardball; hitchens; sheehan
The bland as bland can be Howard Fineman tried to mollify Hitchens' comments, but Hitchens would have none of it. Chrissy Matthews a few days ago and Anderson Cooper continually fail to actually push Sheehan's nose in her own comments.

I have not found a transcript for this yet, but it was great.

1 posted on 08/17/2005 9:45:04 PM PDT by Charlesj
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To: Charlesj

let us know when you do.


2 posted on 08/17/2005 9:47:32 PM PDT by Roberts
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To: Charlesj

I hope you find a transcript and link it here. Thanks for the thumbnail summary.


3 posted on 08/17/2005 9:48:44 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Roberts

I just checked...MSNBC says they'll have transcripts within 24 hours of broadcast. Hitchens attacked Sheehan the other day in an article, but this was MUCH stronger and clearer.


4 posted on 08/17/2005 9:50:07 PM PDT by Charlesj (I'd gladly fire Drier.)
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To: Charlesj

Why should the President speak to someone who us being "used" by the left while in her grief over the loss of her son?

It takes normally a year to begin a healthy recovery from the death of a loved one.

Socialist liberals should be ashamed of themselves! But then...they have no shame, no class, no principles...just politics!


5 posted on 08/17/2005 9:52:56 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: Charlesj
For the insomniacs among us with msnbc cable, the show repeats at 2 am Central Time.

Thanks for the tip.  I'd have missed it otherwise.

6 posted on 08/17/2005 9:54:43 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Charlesj
I'm sure Hitchens was his caustic best. Drudge has up an obscene rant of Sheehan.

CINDY UNLEASHED: 'THE BIGGEST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD IS GEORGE W. BUSH'

No matter how much the MSM plays the distraught Mother angle on her behalf, no matter how many allowances are made, Sheehan does not hold up.

7 posted on 08/17/2005 10:06:34 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Charlesj

Bump for transcript


8 posted on 08/17/2005 10:10:41 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Families)
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To: Charlesj

I couldnt find the transcripts with Hitchens but here is Matthews

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8972147/

Chris Matthews
Host of 'Hardball'



• Profile

With Cindy Sheehan's protest outside of President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, in its ninth day on Monday, Hardball's Chris Matthews talked with the California mother who lost a son in Iraq and is demanding to meet with President Bush.

To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the video, click on the "Launch" button to the right.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: What's the latest ... I know it is a tragic situation.  Let me ask you, are you asking now for a meeting with the president?  Or some other kind of occasion?

CINDY SHEEHAN:  We're still asking for the meeting with the president to discuss my concerns that I've brought up.  But also, we're having a worldwide moment of silent prayer on Friday at noon for those soldiers who are still in Iraq and their families and for the people who have been killed and for their families.  And we've invited our neighbors to join us.  And George Bush is one of our neighbors so we've invited him to join us.  He says he cares about the troops and we care about the troops.  Maybe that's something we can find common ground on to begin our discussion. ...
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MATTHEWS:  This is serious business.  The purpose of your vigil is to get an answer from the president.  It is not to demonstrate against the war, right?  It is to get an answer from the president.  ... Is the purpose of your visit to demonstrate against war or to get the president to say something he hasn't said so far?

SHEEHAN:  It is actually to hold him accountable for things he has already said, Chris.  Last week, it wasn't last week.  The week before when I started this, 14 marines had been killed from the same unit in the same incident.  And that not will only broke my heart.  Every day is a new sense of tearing my heart out of my body again, when I see other children who have been killed and I know what their families are going through.  That broke my heart.

And that angered me and it also made me kind of feel like a failure because I've been working for months to bring the truth to the American people, to wake them up to the fact that this is a war based on lies and to try to put pressure on the government to bring our troops home.  In fact, I've been on your show before, a couple months ago ... I have been doing this.  I just didn't climb out of the woodwork last Saturday and start this odyssey.

But when he was speaking about the terrible loss of life that day, and we had 30 troops killed in the first five days of August, which was heart breaking and tragic for the families and to their communities, but he came out and he said they died for a noble cause.  And you know, Chris, I never have believed that a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the United States of America is a noble cause.  So I want to ask him what the noble cause is.

And I also know that if he believes it is such a noble cause, what we're doing over in Iraq, which he hasn't defined that really clearly, and like my sister says, it changes all the time.  If you believe it is a noble cause, does he encourage his daughters to go and fight?  We know there are soldiers there who are in their third tour of duty that don't want to be there and they want to come home.  And we know there are soldiers who have been in the military for eight years and they're stop loss and held hostage over there and they want to come home.

So if people believe this is a noble cause, then they should be willing to put their own skin in the game.  And there are so many people who say yes, we're fighting over there for a noble cause but they are not willing to sacrifice their own lives or their own children's lives for this.  And I don't think they should myself, you know.

And the other thing he always says is that we have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission.  Well, Chris, I had my heart and soul ripped out on April 4th, 2004.  As a mother, why would I want any other mother to suffer the way I am?  Why would I want one more of our dear children to be killed for this mistake, for the lives in Iraq?  And those are the answers I want from the president.

MATTHEWS:  Can I ask you a tough question?  A very tough question.

SHEEHAN:  Yes.

MATTHEWS:  All right.  If your son had been killed in Afghanistan, would you have a different feeling?

SHEEHAN:  I don't think so, Chris, because I believe that Afghanistan is almost the same thing.  We're fighting terrorism.  Or terrorists, we're saying.  But they're not contained in a country.  This is an ideology and not an enemy.  And we know that Iraq, Iraq had no terrorism.  They were no threat to the United States of America.

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Aug. 15: Not every military parent agrees with Cindy Sheehan's vigil.  Hardball's Chris Matthews talks to Debi Bohannon, whose son served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan for a different perspective.

MSNBCMATTHEWS:  But Afghanistan was harboring, the Taliban was harboring al-Qaida which is the group that attacked us on 9/11.

SHEEHAN:  Well then we should have gone after al-Qaida and maybe not after the country of Afghanistan.

MATTHEWS:  But that's where they were being harbored.  That's where they were headquartered.  Shouldn't we go after their headquarters?  Doesn't that make sense?

SHEEHAN:  Well, but there were a lot of innocent people killed in that invasion, too.  ...  But I'm seeing that we're sending our ground troops in to invade countries where the entire country wasn't the problem.  Especially Iraq.  Iraq was no problem.  And why do we send in invading armies to march into Afghanistan when we're looking for a select group of people in that country?

So I believe that our troops should be brought home out of both places where we're obviously not having any success in Afghanistan.  Osama bin Laden is still on the loose and that's who they told us was responsible for 9/11.

MATTHEWS:  The reason I ask that because a lot of Americans believe going to Afghanistan made since because we were doing what the president said he would do that very day.  A couple days after 9/11.  He said I'm going to get the people that attacked these buildings.  And he went over and got them.  And that was where America was so united.  Whereas Iraq has caused a deep division.  Let me give you a statement that seems to show some division in your family.  One of your relatives has given this statement to a conservative radio commentary for distribution.


"The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving.  We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan.  She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation.  The rest of the Sheehan Family supports our troops, our country, and our president, silently, with prayer and respect.  Sincerely, Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins."

So it seems like you have a division in your family.

SHEEHAN:  Those are on my husband's side of the family.  And we've always been politically on different sides of the fence.  I have always been a Democrat and they have always been Republicans, so we've always had a good-natured kind of debate within that family.  But you know what, we support the troops.  How can they say by what I'm doing I don't support the troops?

The troops are over there for a mistake and not one of them, not one drop of blood should have been spilled in Iraq.  Why are they still over there?  Why are they still dying and why are the Iraqi people still dying?  Because it is a mistake.  And it was based on deceptions.

And another thing about that side of the family, they barely knew Casey.  They barely had a relationship with him.  They call him their beloved Casey.  He was my hero, Chris, before he was killed.  I knew him so well. 

MATTHEWS:  Were your husband's parents and grandparents on your side close to Casey?

SHEEHAN:  Out of all those people who signed the letters, they know him the most but they didn't really keep up a relationship with him either. ...

MATTHEWS:  Why are they going to war with you in public?  Why are they issuing a statement for national release through a conservative radio talk show host?  ... Why would they put out a statement that goes in the face of what you're doing in your camp?

SHEEHAN:  You know, like I've said, we've always been on different sides of the fence politically.  And my sister was Casey's second mom.  And she is standing here next to me in solidarity and agreement with me.

MATTHEWS:  ... Let me ask you about your situation.  Cindy, this is a tricky situation.  Every time a family has a tragedy and the loss of a son, your oldest, must be unimaginable.

Sometimes husbands and wives grieve in very different ways and it often leads to separation and divorce.  Is that what has happened between and you your husband?  Or is this a partisan fight that we're seeing in the open that's behind us?  The separation and divorce of you and your husband?

SHEEHAN:  My husband has always agreed with me philosophically.  And he only disagreed with the intensity that I put into the fight.  But I am compelled to do this.  And other than that, that's as far as I'm going to talk about my family's -- another personal tragedy due to this war.

Watch 'Hardball' each night at 7 p.m. ET on MSNBC. 
© 2005 MSNBC Interactive

   


9 posted on 08/17/2005 10:11:00 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Charlesj

Thanks so much for the heads up. I'm waiting for the 2 am replay.

And to fill the time, here's C. Hitchen's killer article on Cindy Sheehan.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2124500/fr/nl/#ContinueArticle


10 posted on 08/17/2005 10:13:02 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: Charlesj

Hitchens was excellent on this one.....he is so rapier when tuned up.


11 posted on 08/17/2005 10:13:33 PM PDT by wardaddy (Israel will get nothing for Gaza.)
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To: april15Bendovr
Boy was she ever scripted! That was a prepared speech, written by her handlers, or she is one smooooooooooooooth cookie.

But she, herself, still comes through as the stupid, irrational idiot that she really is.

12 posted on 08/17/2005 10:20:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Just like the Jersey Girls


13 posted on 08/17/2005 10:28:44 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr

Exactly like them, but far worse.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 10:30:38 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Charlesj

Please ping me when you post the transcript. Thanks


15 posted on 08/17/2005 10:43:10 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: nopardons
I am sorry to say but allowing these people to dishonor their deceased relatives is like allowing my wife to speak for me immediately after somebody just kicked me in the balls.

and sorry for the graphic metaphor

16 posted on 08/17/2005 10:44:38 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr

You're absolutely right and the metaphor is okay by me. :-)


17 posted on 08/17/2005 10:50:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ntnychik; devolve; Smartass; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe

Ping.


18 posted on 08/17/2005 10:52:01 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Charlesj
Hitch should drag the drama queen down from her thrown and give her some good socialist slaps to wake her up. But the problem is that, in the media, Hitch appeals to reason and Sheehan doesn't whatsoever... so why would Hitch bother going to great lengths to denounce her. Any normal person with a regular IQ can see that she is not normal, and that the media "love in" is staged to antagonize the right and make the left look morally superior. The best policy is to ignore her or have fun with it...

CNN is known for its impartial news coverage as the Pope is known for his Buddhism.
19 posted on 08/17/2005 10:53:05 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: april15Bendovr
We're still asking for the meeting with the president to discuss my concerns that I've brought up.

Who is we? I thought she wanted a Mano y Wacko meeting>

20 posted on 08/17/2005 11:14:27 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Mike Darancette
Who is we?

a.) Cindy.

b.) The voices in her head.

21 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:37 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: april15Bendovr

Im wondering if she is compelled to be the potty mouth that she is? I guess i know where her compelling comes from if it results in that kind of rhetoric. She is an idiot who is using her sons death in the same sickening way that Len Bias's mom did with the crack death of her son. Going on a national tour to prove that tradegy even befalls complete idiots and jackasses.


22 posted on 08/18/2005 3:44:52 AM PDT by TrailofTears (We laugh at honor and are shocked that traitors are in our midst!!! C.S. Lewis)
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To: Charlesj

Hey dude... I saw it and he was magnificent!


23 posted on 08/18/2005 3:51:53 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Hi Lloyd. A little slow tonight, isn't it?”)
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To: april15Bendovr
SHEEHAN: I don't think so, Chris, because I believe that Afghanistan is almost the same thing. We're fighting terrorism. Or terrorists, we're saying. But they're not contained in a country. This is an ideology and not an enemy. And we know that Iraq, Iraq had no terrorism. They were no threat to the United States of America.

This chick is nutty as a fruitcake.

24 posted on 08/18/2005 3:52:04 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Charlesj
Did you see Nora's repulsion at Hitchens comments? Fineman was desperately trying to downplay things but Hitchens would have no part in it.

If there's such a thing as a 'classic' 'Hardball' episode... this was it.

25 posted on 08/18/2005 4:02:57 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Hi Lloyd. A little slow tonight, isn't it?”)
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To: Charlesj

bookmark


26 posted on 08/18/2005 4:06:50 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Charlesj

Dying to find a video clip of this. He went biblical on Sheehan. Best line was calling the Crawford Circus "Camp LW Fruitcake nutball", he might have even said moonbat. it was classic. Howard Fineman said "tell us how you really feel".


27 posted on 08/18/2005 6:28:47 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: johnny7

This was a classic Hardball the same as Zell Miller challenging Matthews to a pistol duel at the 2004 RNC.


28 posted on 08/18/2005 6:30:29 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Charlesj

I have to say it's interesting when I see and hear my fellow conservatives giving props to an avowed Marxist, who once produced a movie about Mother Teresa entitled "Hell's Angel." But, politics makes strange bedfellows, as they say.


29 posted on 08/18/2005 6:34:09 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: finnman69

Question: what is the difference between Sheehan's "America is NOT worth dying for" and the 60's slogan "Better Red than Dead?"


30 posted on 08/18/2005 6:40:55 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: april15Bendovr
when I see other children who have been killed and I know what their families are going through

It's "all about the children"! Except for the small, annoying detail that these aren't CHILDREN!
31 posted on 08/18/2005 6:42:22 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: finnman69
I get my dose of MSM propaganda almost everynite from 'Hardboiled'.

Mathews is shameless in his adoration of the Democrat Party... if Clinton gave him a blue, cocktail dress... he'd don it without breaking to a commercial.

That is of course... if he could wrest it away from Andrea Mitchell.

32 posted on 08/18/2005 6:47:50 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Hi Lloyd. A little slow tonight, isn't it?”)
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To: holyscroller

Embarrassing as it is for me, a 10 year reader on Free Republic, I don't know how to Ping. I'll try to find out, or probably I'll just post the transcript as a new item.


33 posted on 08/18/2005 7:44:48 AM PDT by Charlesj (I'd gladly fire Drier.)
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To: Charlesj

I missed Hitchens but caught the beginning when Nora O'Donnell introduced a new bit of lunacy "Should Bush send Laura out to meet with Sheehan?" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to see Laura go out and throw her in that ditch for calling her husband a murderer, warmonger, terrorist, etc.


34 posted on 08/18/2005 7:46:45 AM PDT by LarryDeRobio
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O‘DONNELL: I‘m sure also the president did not anticipate that while he was spending a five-week vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, that he would be witnessing a mom, Cindy Sheehan, who has been camped outside his ranch now, demanding a meeting with the president, saying she won‘t leave until that happens.

Christopher, do you think that this represents—or she represents some sort of tipping point in public opinion in America?

HITCHENS: Certainly not. She has, just today, lied about a statement that she made several times before to the effect that her son was killed in a war run by a secret Jewish cabal within the administration. She now says she didn‘t make that statement. She did make that statement. So as well as being an hysterical paranoid ideologist, or at least being manipulated by people who are, turned this into camp fruitbag and nutbag, she has decided not to have the courage or maybe the cowardice of her conviction. She now says she didn‘t make a statement that she definitely did.

FINEMAN: I think, Christopher.

HITCHENS: And she is also inviting a terrific riposte. What if we were to say, very well, the conduct of this war will depend on an opinion poll which we‘ll take of relatives of the fallen in Iraq, only they can decide, only they have the authority. She would lose.

Do I favor such a thing? No. I‘m pro-war but I would be totally against that. It would be handing our policy over to an.

(CROSSTALK)

O‘DONNELL: Howard, what about her.

HITCHENS: . minority which she has allowed our profession, disgracefully, to be used as a megaphone for a fraud.

O‘DONNELL: What about her statement? She is a private citizen to some degree. And yet she has made these comment about U.S. policy toward Israel and Palestine. And she says she is no longer going to pay taxes in the United States. Is she fair game, like a politician is, now that she makes these statements?

HITCHENS: Certainly.

FINEMAN: And I would agree with Christopher on that. I think he should be honest in his feelings about these...

(LAUGHTER)
36 posted on 08/18/2005 8:18:39 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

HITCHENS: Well, I think there should be. I think our profession should stop acting as her megaphone.


37 posted on 08/18/2005 8:36:36 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Charlesj

Rush playing the audio clips NOW


38 posted on 08/18/2005 9:38:39 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: april15Bendovr
I think our profession should stop acting as her megaphone.

Hitch isn't quite right here. In addition to the press acting as Sheehan's megaphone, Sheehan is also acting as a proxy for much of the press - she is saying the stuff they actually believe but can't get away with saying themselves.

39 posted on 08/18/2005 9:41:27 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy

I love how Rush ripped into CNN too.


40 posted on 08/18/2005 9:43:28 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: Rosemont

Hitchens is awesome! Unlike most of his armchair liberal MSM colleagues, he has been to Iraq and also to Iran. He has met people who were tortured by Saddam Hussein and whose family members disappeared. He understands the threat of Islaofascism and has called it by that name, which nobody else has the guts to do. His articles in Vanity Fair are the only reason I still subscribe to that magazine.


41 posted on 08/18/2005 10:23:23 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Where is Chris Lehane??)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

I have a love hate relationship with Hitchens. He articularilly rebuked Fahrenheit 9/11, but he is very anti-Christian and wrote a hatchet job on Mother Theresa.


42 posted on 08/18/2005 10:28:00 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.)
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