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Move America Forward's "You Don't Speak For Me, Cindy!" Caravan
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Posted on 08/18/2005 1:57:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 08/18/2005 3:43:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: JennieOsborne; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 1Peter2:16; ...

Passing it on.. WAY TO GO JIM !!


141 posted on 08/18/2005 12:48:22 PM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: JennieOsborne; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 1Peter2:16; ...

Passing it on.. WAY TO GO JIM !!


142 posted on 08/18/2005 12:49:06 PM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all who cannot join the caravan would show their support by greeting the caravans with flags and banners?

Sure hope it can be worked out.


143 posted on 08/18/2005 12:49:58 PM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thank you for the welcome!! I have never been "deeply" involved in politics until all of this. I have to say that I never realized how CRAZY some people are out there!


144 posted on 08/18/2005 12:52:42 PM PDT by killeentexasgirl (Jumping for joy in Texas after news of you caravaning your way to Crawford!)
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To: JustAmy; Jim Robinson; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; Blue Scourge; ...

"Wouldn't it be wonderful if all who cannot join the caravan
would show their support by greeting the caravans with flags and banners?

Sure hope it can be worked out.

143 posted on 08/18/2005 12:49:58 PM PDT by JustAmy"

PING for a GREAT IDEA!!!!




Posted By:
Melanie Morgan

Tentative Schedule for "You Don't Speak for Me, Cindy" Tour

*** Please note that dates, cities and times will surely be updated and possibly changed over the next 48 hours. This listing is provided as a rough guideline for those who wish to join the caravan and also members of the media. For questions - please contact Robert Dixon of Move America Forward: Robert@MoveAmericaForward.org

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Monday August 22, 2005

6:00-8:00am Melanie Morgan KSFO

8:00am Press Conference in San Francisco

8:00-10:00am En Route to Sacramento / Press Event in Vacaville

10:00-11:00am Sacramento Media Appearance

12:00-1:00pm Press Conference/Sendoff

9:00-12:30am En Route to Fresno

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Tuesday August 23, 2005

Morning talk show in Fresno

Two hour drive to Bakersfield

Noon talk show in Bakersfield

Two to three hour drive to LA

3:00-7:00pm LA Media Appearance

7:00-9:00pm En Route to San Diego

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Wednesday August 24, 2005

5:00-8:00am Morning talk show in San Diego

8:30-9:30 Press conference with Howard Kaloogian

9:30-4:00 En Route to Phoenix

4:00-7:00pm Media Appearance in Phoenix

7:00-3:00am En Route to Albuquerque

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Thursday August 25, 2005

Morning in Albuquerque

12:00-4:00pm En Route to Amarillo

4:00-6:00pm Media Appearance in Amarillo

6:00-12:00am En Route to Fort Worth

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Friday August 26, 2005

Morning Shows in Fort Worth

One hour drive to Dallas

Noon and afternoon and evening shows in Dallas

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Saturday August 27, 2005

8:00-9:30am En Route to Waco

10:00-12:00pm Talk shows and meet up for caravan

12:00-12:45pm En Route to Crawford

1:00-3:00 “We Support Our Troops AND Their Mission” Rally



145 posted on 08/18/2005 12:55:45 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Never Forget)
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To: Jim Robinson

How about some 9-11 widows camping outside the Clinton Liebrary demanding some answers from him about OBL?


146 posted on 08/18/2005 12:57:03 PM PDT by Grig
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To: JustAmy

Excellent plan! I'll stay tuned for L.A. location next Tuesday..


147 posted on 08/18/2005 12:58:02 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: RationalCitizen; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Chong
So many confuse Natiuonalism with Patriotism. What I see at this site is blatant, single minded Nationalism. I served during the Vietnam war, I support the rational use of force, I support honesty and integrity, and I support all of our troops. However, support of the troops should not be confused with support for the war in Iraq, or support for the policy that placed us in this war.
So, what's a good, patriotic (and, of course, not nationalistic) citizen to do when wanting to support the troops and not the policy or the President?

Dissent is an American treasure. The clash of ideas is of the greatest of America's powers. The proper citizen will peacefully, legally, and honestly seek voice to raise dissent, if dissent needs be done. We shape ourselves, and define ourselves through the exchange, which is ultimately decided by the citizens' vote. It is the duty of the patriotic citizen to know and to balance all sides, all ideas, then make the decision with the ballot. And if you lose the election, you get back to work to win the next. Just because you lost doesn't mean you have to shut up. (Defeat may well offer some good advice...)

But what of dissent during war? The Constitution recognizes that war is different from other functions of the Government. The Constitution gives the Government extraordinary powers when prosecuting war. War, then, demands more of the nation -- and of the citizens. Some citizens are asked to defend. Others help the cause as they may, be it in industry, politics, or what. But even without a special role asked of the citizen, the citizen is expected to obey the law. Just as we must obey other laws, the citizen must obey the law of war.

War is so important we do not give it to one person to decide. Only the people can make the choice, which is why Congress alone has the power to make war. And the decision is so important that special rights of the minority, often reserved to it in protection in special situations (such as affirming treaties or amending the constitution) ar not given to it: a simple majority decides. Such is the obligation of the Government to the citizen.

Once war has been decided, it is the obligation of the citizens to support the law, for a vote to make war by Congress is an act of law. This law does not supersede other laws, but it can -- and it often does. So important is the right to make war and the powers given to it that the Constitution allows for the suppression of other rights -- including the right of dissent in speech and print -- in order to make it.

So you see, the declaration of war carries powers beyond normal making of law. In kind, you, the patriotic (and not nationalistic) citizen, have an extraordinary duty to that law. If you break it, the Constitution allows Congress extraordinary measures to enforce it upon you. That Congress chooses not to use those extraordinary powers is not license for you, the patriotic (and not nationalistic) citizen to oppose and to break the law. Here, too, dissent carries an extraordinary duty. The dissenter must know that in opposing the war he is obstructing the prosecution of that law.

So what's a poor boy to do? Hold you tongue. Vote. And then shut up again.

Once we're done kicking ass, you can go back to whining. Until then you support the troops by supporting the war. It's the law.

[And no, this is a legal war. There is a law passed by Congress and signed by the President that authorized it. It is the law.]

148 posted on 08/18/2005 12:58:05 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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To: Cecily

It would be absolutely ridiculous for the President to even give her 5 more minutes out of his busy schedule. And for what, what could he possibly answer that hasn't already been answered the first time he met with her. The problem is the media, they are feasting on this story. Maybe if they just left and didn't give her the satisfaction of being on tv, she would leave! By the way, I don't know if any of you know this, but there is a tv commercial playing in the Waco, Temple, Killeen area ONLY right now. It is Cindy Sheehan stating her ever so redundant views and come to find out, it is being paid for by "BEN" from Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Found this out the other night and thought some of you might like to know.


149 posted on 08/18/2005 12:58:22 PM PDT by killeentexasgirl (Jumping for joy in Texas after news of you caravaning your way to Crawford!)
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To: killeentexasgirl

It is a standard tactic for the left to accuse others of doing what they, themselves, are doing.


150 posted on 08/18/2005 1:00:05 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Jim Robinson

Are you going, Jim? Would love to go, but it is the worst time of year for us to be able to get away from the business. Hope you can be there. You know we'll be there in spirit.


151 posted on 08/18/2005 1:02:27 PM PDT by Mama_Bear (My heroes wear camouflage!)
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To: RationalCitizen
HMMMMMMMMMM--did you notice that we were attacked on 9-11--long before we entered Iraq?

HMMMMMMM--have you noticed that we haven't been attacked again. Figure it out, honcho!

152 posted on 08/18/2005 1:04:02 PM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: billyfd

153 posted on 08/18/2005 1:07:47 PM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: MinorityRepublican
I would like to go but I can't.

This is the problem with us conservatives. We have jobs and responsibilities that we take seriously, that keep us from engaging in the same 24/7 protest tactics of the left.

I have often wondered who funds them...I fear that in many cases it is the rest of us through our taxes.

154 posted on 08/18/2005 1:08:12 PM PDT by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: RationalCitizen; StarCMC; MoJo2001; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
However, support of the troops should not be confused with support for the war in Iraq, or support for the policy that placed us in this war. ... We are not protecting our country from terrorism by being there.

I welcome you to Free Republic by respectfully pointing out that we are in Iraq to protect our country from terrorism.

You point out that you served in Viet Nam. So did John Kerry. Rather than reach other conclusions, I'll simply respectfully point out that you evidently don't have any better grasp of reality than Kerry does.

God bless those who love, support, serve, and protect our country.
155 posted on 08/18/2005 1:10:43 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: Mama_Bear; Jim Robinson; Syncro; MarineBrat; Diamondhead; FresnoArmyBrat; ...

Yo ...... Mama

I'm hoping to get a few locals to meet somewhere with flags and banners showing our support as the caravan goes through our area. Would you be interested?

Of course, the timing will make a difference.

Just throwing out ideas .... how about meeting at the rest area south of Kingsburg and welcoming the caravan with water, sodas and snacks? Maybe we could get some media attention.


156 posted on 08/18/2005 1:11:38 PM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
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To: Zacs Mom

157 posted on 08/18/2005 1:12:47 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: JustAmy
Just throwing out ideas .... how about meeting at the rest area south of Kingsburg and welcoming the caravan with water, sodas and snacks?

Sounds great! Depending upon when it is, we will be there if at all possible. Keep me informed as the plans evolve.

158 posted on 08/18/2005 1:17:08 PM PDT by Mama_Bear (My heroes wear camouflage!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Does anyone remember Dans bake sale? Rush promoted that and drew hundreds of thousands of people. Maybe Rush and Shawn should be notified and ask them to help us out by promoting this.


159 posted on 08/18/2005 1:17:18 PM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: RationalCitizen; Fawnn; MoJo2001; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; AZamericonnie; Darksheare; ...
There has been no demonstrataion of a nexus between terrorism and this war - the degree of terrorist activity in Iraq is the result of our being there

Yeah. Before we showed up Iraq was the freaking garden of Eden, linos and lambs and all. Thank God the people in charge are thinking a little farther ahead than you.

By the way - thank you for serving in Vietnam. I detest the way you (at large, and you specifically if it applies) were treated when you came home. May it never be so again. If Windy Cindy's son had come home alive and well, she would be bashing his service in person. She is the type of trash who spits on vets.

we should withdraw as soon as possible. Will there be chaos in Iraq? Sure, but probably no worse than it is now.

You must be getting your news from the MSM. You are believing what THEY, mostly writing from safety behind the wire, want you to; not what our troops, with boots on the ground, are telling us.

160 posted on 08/18/2005 1:19:36 PM PDT by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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