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Netanyahu on Gaza pullout
MSNBC.COM ^ | 5:36 p.m. ET Aug. 16, 2005 | MSNBC

Posted on 08/18/2005 3:43:06 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy

LESTER HOLT: Why don’t you think the Palestinians will take advantage of this opportunity?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Because they haven’t lifted a finger against the terrorists, because Hamas terrorists and Hezbollah are saying that this is a great victory for terrorism, and they intend to continue, they say so openly. In fact, the Palestinian authorities, a collection of armed bands, and they don’t lift a finger against terrorists. These people do not disarm themselves, they say they will continue to rocket our cities and send suicide bombers to kill our men, women and children. So, unfortunately, this is viewed on the Palestinian side as a great victory and a great justification for terrorism. And the victory of terrorism in one place enables terrorism elsewhere and here to. This is the tragedy of something that probably was well intentioned, but I think will be played out badly.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gazapullout; israel; netanyahu
Good read. Old news, but didn't see this posted.
1 posted on 08/18/2005 3:43:08 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Go Bibi. He's the only one with the balls to tell it like it is.


2 posted on 08/18/2005 3:45:49 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
?.....Future 'King' of Gaza Netanyahu,....on Gaza pullout?

/Darwinists

3 posted on 08/18/2005 3:49:48 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Past Your Eyes

That's why I like him.

He's tough. If only he had Sharon's position.


4 posted on 08/18/2005 3:51:49 AM PDT by FeeinTennessee (http://hometown.aol.com/feereports/feepolitics.html)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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5 posted on 08/18/2005 5:43:55 AM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: Past Your Eyes; FeeinTennessee
Go Bibi. He's the only one with the balls to tell it like it is.

When the terrorists start slaughtering Israelis again, I predict Bibi will regain power and will be justified in taking Gaza back once and for all, NEVER TO BE RELINQUISHED AGAIN!

6 posted on 08/18/2005 5:50:20 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Yeah, but now they can take Gaza out, if that indeed is the way its gonna be..


7 posted on 08/18/2005 8:19:32 AM PDT by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: wequalswinner; demkicker

Glad you guys think so too. I prescribed the same solution in "Gaza Pics" post. Time to take bets?


8 posted on 08/18/2005 11:08:55 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

I'll bet one suicide bomber and raise you two car bombs.


9 posted on 08/18/2005 11:18:31 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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Bibi makes the point well that this isn't a victory because of the withdrawl per se, rather because the world has accepted their refusal to comply with any of their obligations, and rewarded them generously for it. This mistake will cost lives.

10 posted on 08/18/2005 11:32:55 AM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: SJackson

Yes, but did you notice, that Bibi, unlike President Bush's opponents and critics here in the USA...

DID tell the people in Gaza to get out. IOW, he was supportive of Sharon's right to do this...and didn't rant and rave and call him names...he just said what even Sharon probably admits, that is is a one-way deal...

and only time, tears, sacrifices, deaths, etc., will tell whether this was folly or genius.


11 posted on 08/18/2005 12:00:04 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: SJackson
rather because the world has accepted their refusal to comply with any of their obligations, and rewarded them generously for it.

I'm not sure whether to applaud or throw rocks, here.

Who is "their" and "them"??

12 posted on 08/18/2005 12:00:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

This is a big mistake for Sharon. It indicates that he does not fully understand the intent of the Muslims.

I do not hear any praise from world "leaders" who have been asking for this pullout for decades. Nor is there any praise from the MSM. Israel has lost a lot and gained nothing with this move.


13 posted on 08/18/2005 12:15:29 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Publius6961
rather because the world has accepted their refusal to comply with any of their obligations, and rewarded them generously for it....I'm not sure whether to applaud or throw rocks, here....Who is "their" and "them"??

The palestinians, specificly Abbas and the PA, who not only haven't begun the preliminaries to the road map, cessation of incitement and dismantling of the terror groups, but have made it clear that they have no intention of taking on these tasks. Rewards, the world community, led by the US, is providing assets, despite their refusal.

14 posted on 08/18/2005 12:19:01 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: SJackson

I saw Jennifer Griffin interview a young woman who was being physically dragged from the synagogue this morning...

She was, of course, shouting about the stupidity of letting the terrorists win, and run them off of their land...

but, she also said something that made me choke up with pride for these young people..

She said that they would be back...if not them, their children, and if not their children, then their grandchildren.

I wish Americans (most of whom have NEVER been through what the Israelis have), would show such courage and bravery when faced with an enemy. And would show a persistence and "stick toitiviness" that it takes...


15 posted on 08/18/2005 12:39:22 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: kidd

They should ask the Czech's how profitable those "land for peace" deals are.... a very sad deal this is and one that will end up being repaid in more dear precious blood.



The one thing we have learned from history, is that we have learned nothing from history.


16 posted on 08/18/2005 1:24:45 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: SJackson
I'll keep saying it, this is a big mistake. Leaving Gaza without getting something for it, is ridiculous. Abu Masin won't do a thing to the terrorists and they'll be close to Tel Aviv. As Bibi says, they didn't get an agreement in which they were sure that terrorists would not flow in from all over the world.

Our chief of intelligence said today in the Knesset, in our parliamentary defense and foreign affairs committee this afternoon, he said, terror will increase; it may not happen for a couple months, I say it will happen in a year or two. But there’s no question that this is viewed as a great victory for terror.

The U.S. wants to pull out of Iraq as badly as we want to pull out of Gaza, Iraq is thousands of miles away from the U.S., Gaza is right next to Tel Aviv, you don’t pull out, despite the fact that you want to get out because you know that Zarqawi would fill the vacuum, you know that, and we are pulling out and Hamas will fill the vacuum, Hamas and it’s ally al-Qaida. And that’s the problem, it’s not a question of wanting to leave Gaza, it’s how you leave, under what conditions. And I think we’re going to do it in such a way where we have no reciprocity, we have no built in security, in fact we’ve giving Gaza a port, can you imagine giving al-Qaida a port on the Hudson?

Unfortunately, and probably for good intentions, we’re giving terror a reward which will result in bad consequences. Not only for us by the way, because I think Gaza could very well be, over the next couple of years, may turn out to be an invaluable base for terror, just as Lebanon used to be, because there is no government, and this I fully agree with our ambassador in Washington, you’re really going to see whether Abu Masin does anything to terrorists. He hasn’t lifted a finger, and I suspect he’s not going to lift a finger and the result will be far from advancing the cause of peace, which I fervently want, this will set peace back and set terror forward.

As I said before, you don't defeat your enemy by rewarding him.
17 posted on 08/18/2005 1:30:03 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: lefty-lie-spy

If re elected he will be in position to bring great harm to Gaza with no need to be concerned about the settler enclave.

Sharon laid the strategic ground work for Bibi to exterminate the Gaza pests.


18 posted on 08/18/2005 1:36:27 PM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . The wild winds of fortune will carry us onward)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I'll keep saying it, this is a big mistake. Leaving Gaza without getting something for it, is ridiculous. Abu Masin won't do a thing to the terrorists and they'll be close to Tel Aviv. As Bibi says, they didn't get an agreement in which they were sure that terrorists would not flow in from all over the world.

No, Mazen won't be changing. Right or wrong, the underlying concept of the withdrawl rests on the fact that there's no one to negotiate with, thus nothing to "get", at least from the palestinians. Some moral support from the west would have been nice, but a lot to ask for.

19 posted on 08/18/2005 1:42:57 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: SJackson

If there is no one to negotiate with, why do it? Why leaving Gaza?


20 posted on 08/18/2005 1:47:00 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
If there is no one to negotiate with, why do it? Why leaving Gaza?

To establish more easily defended lines, really defacto borders. Whether that's factual, we'll have to wait and see.

21 posted on 08/18/2005 1:53:44 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: SJackson
To establish more easily defended lines, really defacto borders. Whether that's factual, we'll have to wait and see.

My dear Jackson, you won't have to wait too long. There is no built in security and the terrorists are cheering right now because they've been rewarded, and they'll be able to cause more damage than ever.

Going shopping, back later.

22 posted on 08/18/2005 1:59:47 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: wvobiwan

Netanyahu ping!


23 posted on 08/18/2005 2:52:45 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: demkicker

The problem is that the pacifist element continues to emerge again and again in Israel. Pacifism = suicide, particularly in Israel.


24 posted on 08/18/2005 3:24:39 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: SJackson

Why not move 10,000 more settlers into Gaza and let them defend it themselves - like in the old days?


25 posted on 08/18/2005 3:26:07 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Past Your Eyes

He may be the only one Americans know to tell it like it is......when it is too late....when earlier, in time, he may have been able to kill it in its crib.

Americans just love Netanyahu. All it takes in a handsome guy who speaks fluent English. Never mind what he actually does.

Netanyahu didn't even kill OSLO when he had the opportunity.

There are many Israelis who fought this tooth and nail, and put principle above career. Maybe they are less good looking and speak English with an accent.


26 posted on 08/18/2005 3:26:24 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: demkicker

As soon as the Gaza scum start launching terrorist strikes from Gaza .... swoop in ... kill all the fighters ... load the rest of them on garbage scows ... tow them up to the first beach in Lebanon and run them aground.


27 posted on 08/18/2005 3:30:37 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
My dear Jackson, you won't have to wait too long. There is no built in security and the terrorists are cheering right now because they've been rewarded, and they'll be able to cause more damage than ever.

It's said intifada3 starts late this year or early next. I don't think they'll hold off that long. The damage they cause is dependent on Israel's reaction, both the the murder of Israeli civilians and the US/Euro whine about the cycle of violence.

28 posted on 08/18/2005 3:55:45 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
And the victory of terrorism in one place enables terrorism elsewhere and here to. This is the tragedy of something that probably was well intentioned, but I think will be played out badly.

He's a wise man. Too bad no one has listened to him.

29 posted on 08/18/2005 3:59:15 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Sam Gamgee
The problem is that the pacifist element continues to emerge again and again in Israel. Pacifism = suicide, particularly in Israel

Kind of like the cancerous pacifism Cindy Sheehan & cohorts are trying to spread?

30 posted on 08/18/2005 4:18:51 PM PDT by demkicker (Life has many choices. Eternity has only two. Which one have you chosen?)
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To: demkicker
Exactly. I believe “Avoid war if we can”, but the pacifist preaches “Avoid war at ALL costs” – even the loss of our dignity, our rights, our freedoms. Samuel Adams regarded such with utmost disgust. In earlier times we called such people collaborators. If the cost is the implementation of Moslem law in the United States, that’s the cost Sheehan or the phony Christian Fonda are willing to accept for their precious peace. Unfortunately too many Christians fall for this secular vision of peace. Christ never preached the kind of peace man constantly and vainly seeks. In fact he promised division. Sorry I got so preachy.
31 posted on 08/18/2005 4:40:13 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sabramerican

Okay. I'll take your word for it. I'm sure you know more about it than I do.
So, what is the answer? Seems like no matter who's in charge or what they do, they get kicked in the crotch. I can't believe what patience those people have. I'm much in admiration of Israel.


32 posted on 08/18/2005 5:03:18 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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