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China-Russia exercises send a message to U.S.
The Seattle Times ^ | August 18, 2005 | NA

Posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:55 PM PDT by neverdem

BEIJING — As they begin their largest military exercise in modern history, China and Russia have billed this week's maneuvers as a cooperative fight against terrorism. But they're also sending a message to Washington, analysts say: Don't push the two former Cold War adversaries too far.

The eight-day exercise, which begins today, will be the most extensive since Beijing and Moscow fought together against U.S.-led forces during the Korean War half a century ago. Originally billed as a modest exercise when proposed last year, it has grown in scope to include nearly 10,000 troops using a range of sophisticated weapons systems.

Analysts agree Russia and China are unlikely to team up against a common foe. They say the maneuvers are more of an exhibition of Russian arms — including its long-range strategic bombers, which can carry nuclear weapons — in the hope of luring Chinese buyers.

Still, both countries will be looking to prove their military might during the eight days of war games on the Shandong peninsula.

The U.S. Defense Department said last month that China's military was increasingly seeking to modernize and could become a threat in the Asia-Pacific region as it looked to spread its influence.

Showing its stuff

The Russian military is also eager to show it still has muscle despite much-publicized woes. Its weaknesses were highlighted again earlier this month when Russia had to call for outside help to rescue seven men stranded in a mini-submarine off its Pacific coast.

"Part of the exercise is beach landing and sea-air deployment, which has nothing to do with fighting terrorism," said Ni Lexiong, a military expert teaching at Shanghai Normal University. "Generally, it's being held because of the long-term U.S. aggressive military stance toward China and Russia."

Even as the Bush administration expresses growing concern about China's military buildup, Beijing and Moscow have bridled at America's recent moves in their back yard.

They include announced troop redeployments in South Korea and Japan designed to create a leaner, more-responsive force as well as the redeployment of long-range bombers and nuclear attack submarines to Guam, part of a stated goal of bolstering the U.S. presence in the Asia-Pacific region.

Also worrisome, particularly for Moscow, has been the United States' expanding military presence in oil-rich Central Asia, part of Russia's traditional sphere of influence. The former Soviet states of Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan have seen the toppling of their autocratic, Russian-leaning governments over the past 18 months, replaced by elected regimes that lean toward the West.

China and Russia are the dominant countries in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which includes four former Soviet republics in Central Asia and added Iran, India and Pakistan this year as observers. Representatives from the organization's countries have been invited to watch the exercises.

At a July summit, the organization called on Washington to set a date for the withdrawal from Central Asia, where its forces have been deployed since after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to help support operations in neighboring Afghanistan.

The United States had said it would withdraw from Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan once combat operations in Afghanistan were finished. Last month, however, Uzbekistan ordered U.S. troops to leave the country within 180 days.

Analysts see limits to the Chinese-Russian relationship, however, with some characterizing the current exercise as a marriage of convenience. Even as ties increase, Moscow is thought to be wary of China's growing economic and political clout and fearful that the sparsely populated Russian Far East could become a de facto Chinese colony.

Drawing the line

Although it has provided an abundance of arms to China, Russia has balked at selling Beijing its most advanced military hardware — and items it does sell may come with strings attached. Some Chinese Web sites suggest that Moscow sold Beijing SU-27 fighters on the condition that they remain south of the Yangtze River, a sizable distance from the Russian border.

Analysts have noted the involvement of Russia's Tu-95 strategic bombers and Tu-22M long-range bombers in this week's exercises — warplanes that can carry conventional or nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and are not usually part of peacekeeping operations. The aircraft are expected to top China's shopping list both to deter U.S. assistance to Taiwan in the event of a conflict and project Chinese strength across the region.

During the drills, the Tu-95s will conduct demonstration flights in the area while the Tu-22Ms will test-fire missiles at ground targets, the deputy chief of Russia's Land Forces in charge of the exercise, Col. Gen. Vladimir Moltenskoi, said last week.

Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, head of the Russian armed forces general staff, said in a newspaper interview last week the aircraft were taking part because the exercises are being staged far from Russian bases and would help enforce a simulated aerial blockade. But Russia's air force chief said earlier this year that the bombers would be involved in the exercises to tempt Chinese buyers.

"These weapons that China is buying are clearly designed for a possible standoff over Taiwan," said Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent defense analyst based in Moscow.

The exercise will involve 1,800 Russian troops and nearly 8,000 of their Chinese counterparts as well as Russian anti-submarine vessels, a large landing ship, a destroyer and 17 long-distance military transport and fighter jets.

Analysts say the exercise's location reflects insecurity in both capitals over the breakup or further dissolution of their empires.

Russia reportedly wanted the exercise staged in Central Asia, while Beijing wanted it just off Taiwan, which it considers a renegade province. The area around the Shandong peninsula was reportedly a compromise to avoid a strong Washington response over Taiwan.

Even inside China, however, some analysts are quietly questioning Beijing's judgment in hosting such an ambitious exercise when its relations with Washington already are strained by a huge U.S. trade deficit, security tensions and the recent aborted bid by state-controlled CNOOC to take over the U.S. oil company Unocal.

The two then-communist allies fell out in the late 1950s and almost went to war, leading to decades of mutual suspicion. But a landmark agreement last year settling a series of disputes along their 2,700-mile border has removed a major irritant, and both sides are placing priority on improving relations.

Two-way trade

Economic ties are expanding rapidly — two-way trade in 2005 is expected to hit $25.2 billion, up 20 percent from last year's record level — as Russia becomes an increasingly important energy supplier to China's booming economy.

Beyond the sales pitch, it seems highly unlikely Russia would ever join China in a fight over Taiwan, said Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor for military journal Jane's Defense Weekly.

"There are no indications of coming together to form a strategic alliance of Moscow and Beijing," he said.

However, the exercises demonstrate a shift in the Chinese military's policy from its typical inward focus, Karniol said.

"They've come to increasingly accept multilateral solutions and accepted the understanding that there are things to learn from exercising with other countries," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; russia; taiwan
AP
Gen. Liang Guanglie, center, China's army chief of staff, arrives in the Pacific port of Vladivostok, Russia, yesterday for consultations before the start of the two nations' joint military exercises on China's Shandong peninsula.


1 posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

2 posted on 08/18/2005 8:54:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: neverdem
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3 posted on 08/18/2005 8:55:42 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: neverdem

It serves them both right, for they richly deserve each other.


4 posted on 08/18/2005 8:56:08 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: All

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5 posted on 08/18/2005 8:57:20 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: backhoe; piasa; Godzilla; TexKat; All

ping


6 posted on 08/18/2005 8:58:49 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: neverdem

I didn't need to hear that China and Russia were having "exercises" in order to know that these two cannot be trusted and what their intentions are.


7 posted on 08/18/2005 9:00:10 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: neverdem
I say we bomb Moscow and Shanghai just to let them know how impressed we are.
8 posted on 08/18/2005 9:00:34 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: neverdem

Putin is a fool to ally Russia with China.

Russia will be swallowed up.


9 posted on 08/18/2005 9:00:43 PM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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To: neverdem

We could obliterate every city in China and Russia and not miss breakfast.


10 posted on 08/18/2005 9:13:59 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Crush! Kill! Destroy the heathen!)
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To: F16Fighter

You also need to know Russia, India and the U.S. are planning excercises together too.


11 posted on 08/18/2005 9:53:56 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Cindy

Thanks for the links!


12 posted on 08/18/2005 10:02:18 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

You're very welcome neverdem.


13 posted on 08/18/2005 10:28:57 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jeff Head; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

If you're interested in what the Chinese Communists, also known as(aka) Chicoms, are up to with their Navy, aka PLAN, i.e. People's Liberation Army's Navy(?), then check out Jeff Head's link in comment# 2. Thanks Jeff, bookmarked!


14 posted on 08/18/2005 10:33:32 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: GarySpFc
You also need to know Russia, India and the U.S. are planning excercises together too.

Russia and China are more likely to be enemies than allies. China covets what it considers ancestral territories in Russia's southeast. Russia lacks the military manpower to guard its territory. Putin could be showing China his long-range technological muscle.

The age-old dance of major powers sizing each other up and carving out spheres of influence and alliances is underway on a global scale. The dance cards are filling up and I think Russia, India and Japan know who to waltz with. The Chinese can't be trusted.

15 posted on 08/18/2005 10:42:33 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx
Russia is in it to sell their military wares and raise some much-needed cash. China wants to increase the quantities of their military junk in order to overcome the high rate of failure they can expect from their domestic and Russian-made weapons.
16 posted on 08/18/2005 10:53:08 PM PDT by Oliver Boliver Butt
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To: neverdem
Those uniforms sure look a lot like ours.

Funny how everyone claims they don't like the U.S. these days, but they all seem to imitate us in a myriad of ways.

What's that saying about imitation and flattery?

17 posted on 08/18/2005 11:02:23 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: neverdem

bttt


18 posted on 08/19/2005 12:36:24 AM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American

>>Those uniforms sure look a lot like ours.

Looks a lot like woodland camo, which the Army is about to start moving away from. They're adopting something called the ACU, the Army Combat Uniform. The camo pattern looks similar to the Marines' new digicamo.

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6042


19 posted on 08/19/2005 3:20:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (NRA)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping, neverdem; thanks Jeff, thanks Cindy.


20 posted on 08/19/2005 4:38:35 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 08/19/2005 6:16:32 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
Thank you again for pinging me.

Is it not interesting that this major development in Geo-politics is not as important to the MSM as are the unwashed bitter hippies enjoying a ditch in Crawford?
22 posted on 08/19/2005 9:46:10 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Bernard Marx; Tailgunner Joe

Russia and China are more likely to be enemies than allies. China covets what it considers ancestral territories in Russia's southeast. Russia lacks the military manpower to guard its territory. Putin could be showing China his long-range technological muscle.==

It is intellegent assessment. I agree with you. Cheers:)..


23 posted on 08/20/2005 6:09:31 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Thanks for your comment. I was speaking in the long term; short-term alliances can be formed for immediate goals, as we saw with the Hitler-Stalin pact. Do you have any insights into Putin and his policies? Is he slyly trying to re-Communize or at least centralize his own dictatorial power? His KGB background concerns me.

I want to thank you for the information on your home page. It puts a different face on the usual version of Russian history accepted in the West and is very interesting and thought-provoking. I think every Freeper could benefit from reading it. Cheers back :o)

24 posted on 08/20/2005 8:44:09 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx

Do you have any insights into Putin and his policies? Is he slyly trying to re-Communize or at least centralize his own dictatorial power? His KGB background concerns me. ==

Putin is former intellegence officer. KGB was a bunch of organizations. Many things in one package. Political police was 5th Directorate. Putin served in 1st (the intellegence).

You may deem him as military man came to power. And in same time he is graduated lawyer.

SO what power he build now is just something in between of judicial beuraucracy ruling and military ruling.
SO if I'm correct Putin maybe somewhat as french general DeGalle. But he is much younger about 50 now.

I don't know will it be good for Russia in future this type of beuraucracy - military rulling but now comparing with Eltsin times it is better.

Personal freedoms are somewhat restricted but in same time there are much more stability now than then.

Anyway I don't see now the person better then Putin for president. All his opponents are open crooks. If I choose between Putin and Kasparov or Khodorkovskii or Kasyanov, I choose Putin.

I don't agree with his huggings with chinese but I don't know maybe he has to. China is neibor and Putin has to make peace with them.

I agree with his hugging with germans and italians. They are most trading partners and simply they just centuries partners of Russia.
Russia and them connected by thousands of threads.
During all history they make lot of fine things in Russia.

If you don't know that I tell that more then half of Kremlin buildings was built by italien architectures. Whole center of Peterburg and famous Winter Palace was built by italien too.
Germans did Russia thier emperatresses and many much of finest engineers. It was custom that each russian czar married one of german princess.

If we go even further then I may recall that ancient Rus the predessecor of Russia was created by vikings more then 1000 years ago. The word "Rus" was viking word.
SO russians has blood relations with all northern europian nations the decendants of vikings.

Now you may understand why Russia is so fightious:)). Even more later mongol invasions overcame Russia and Russia adopted much of their fightiousness too:).

One have to consider all these if one want to understand what Russia is doing now.


25 posted on 08/20/2005 9:12:18 AM PDT by RusIvan
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