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1 posted on 08/19/2005 5:27:09 AM PDT by Libloather
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That's because it falls on Ol Zipper Klintoon's watch. Can't be having that can we?


2 posted on 08/19/2005 5:28:21 AM PDT by deadeyedawg (Crush our enemies, listen to their lamentations, and drive them before us!)
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Whoa! Good find. Thanks for posting!!!


3 posted on 08/19/2005 5:28:51 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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Whoa! Good find. Thanks for posting!!!


4 posted on 08/19/2005 5:29:36 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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5 posted on 08/19/2005 5:30:10 AM PDT by federal
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I'm surprised the NYT reports this at all. Must be some ulterior motive for doing so. Maybe they want to get it out now so that it won't embarrass Hillary later.


6 posted on 08/19/2005 5:30:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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"The tank was not half full, but virtually empty."

Why would a plane bound for Paris have an empty fuel tank?


7 posted on 08/19/2005 5:35:01 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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hmmm


8 posted on 08/19/2005 5:35:25 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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Interesting theory.

Nobody has ever logically explained two problems with it, in my opinion.

Nobody, as far as I know, ever claimed credit for shooting down an American airliner. From a terrorist's viewpoint, what is the point of successfully pulling off the most spectacular terror attack in history (till then) if people generally think it was an accident?

There have been no other airliners taken down in similar fashion since. Why would they stop?


9 posted on 08/19/2005 5:36:16 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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This was the last day these officials were open with the media about the possibility of a missile. Once they changed the story, so did an oddly quiescent Times. The words "radar" and "eyewitness" would all but disappear from the Times' reporting after the first day. Nor, inexplicably, would the Times investigate the role of the military in the downing of TWA 800, not one paragraph, and not one word about satellites and what they might have captured.

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10 posted on 08/19/2005 5:38:08 AM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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Great article! I'm surprised that the NYT would publish such an article since they are one of the "Klintoon Lapdogs". I still believe in my heart the Flight 800 was a terrorist hit. Living in the NY area, I was watching a local TV station when "breaking news" cut in. Numerous eye witnesses claimed that they saw a streak of light racing up towards the plane. IMHO sounds like a SAM to me & no one will ever change my mind.


12 posted on 08/19/2005 5:44:05 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland ("Consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies")
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The New Yourk Slimes is another mouth piece for the Taliban just like Al Jazzera.


14 posted on 08/19/2005 5:45:34 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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"And the government, especially the FBI, would make the Times its unwitting messenger."

I believe that the NYT actually was not unwitting at that point. I believe someone in the Clinton WH went to the publisher of the Times and blackmailed him. Remember the 900 FBI files? Is it not likely that the Clintons had files on non-government folks? The involvement of Clarke and Gorelick in the TWA 800 investigation and their subsequent roles in the 9/11 Commission are beyond coincidental, IMHO. This is a massive coverup orchestrated intially out of the WH by the Clintons. It continues today, with the role of Sandy Berger, Gorelick, Clarke, and others. This, too, will have some relation to the 1995 terrorist attack in OKC, where I believe John DOe #2 was/is an Iraqi agent. The US executed McVeigh as fast as possible, because he knew the truth. McVeigh was merely the trigger - Iraq was the trigger-puller. The Clintons are up to their necks in this, and it needs to be investigated. However, any reporter who does so is advised to proceed carefully and watch his back.


15 posted on 08/19/2005 5:45:55 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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Clinton just couldn't have an act of terrorism declared such because he would have had to go to war. And that's the last thing the hater of the military wanted.

Even John Kerry and George Stephanapolous have accidentally, when speaking of TWA 800, said it was terrorism.

Same with the WTC bombing in 1993. We know an man with an Iraqi passport was involved and took refuge in Iraq afterwards.


16 posted on 08/19/2005 5:46:43 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Nor, inexplicably, would the Times investigate the role of the military in the downing of TWA 800, not one paragraph, and not one word about satellites and what they might have captured.

So, which one of Clintoon's enemies was aboard the plane? How did a U.S. naval vessel go to a general quarters drill and fire a single missile, bringing down the plane, without at least one of the 300-800 sailors (depending on size of ship) taking notice and telling the world?

Seems pretty clear that it was an unacknowledged act of terrorism by parties well known but unverified. But it plays right into the MSM's hatred of the military to try to shift blame in that direction.

22 posted on 08/19/2005 5:55:53 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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I've always believed it was a terrorist attack. Now with the Able Danger scandal it makes sense that Clinton wouldn't have that on his legacy, that precious tarnished legacy that doesn't shine.

Pulling one tooth at a time it will take years to uncover everything that went on in the Clinton White House. Maybe Hillary's real ambition to get in the White House again is to clean up more loose ends that can't be stuffed in Sandy Berger's pants.


23 posted on 08/19/2005 5:56:48 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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N.Y. Times continues to avoid TWA 800 connection ---WHAT ABOUT OKLAHOMA BOMBING CONNECTION?


24 posted on 08/19/2005 5:58:09 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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From my files:

On Sept. 20, one mainstream newspaper released the story of how the so-called Gore Commission failed conspicuously to address airline safety. The paper claimed that this failure "represents the clearest recent public example of the success that airlines have long had in defeating calls for more oversight."

The paper traced that failure to a series of campaign donations from the airlines to the Democratic National Committee in 1996 in the wake of the crash of TWA Flight 800, donations likely solicited by Al Gore himself. That newspaper just happened to be John Kerry's hometown Boston Globe.

Yes, Clinton and Gore did abandon airport security planning for sake of campaign cash. But worse, they concealed the real cause of the crash, in no small part to justify that abandonment.

In fact, on the same day in September of 1996 that Al Gore sent the airline's lobbyist a letter signaling his intent to roll over, the National Transportation Safety Board reversed its spin and all but ruled out a bomb or missile strike [on TWA 800].

WND

In our book, "First Strike," James Sanders and I make this arguably prophetic comment:

John Kerry seemed to have his sights on Al Gore's Achilles' heel. After the events of Sept. 11, the story of how Al Gore helped subvert the investigation into TWA 800 and undermine airport security may yet prove to be a career-killer. Kerry's "slips" may have put Gore out of the race even before he got in.

Two weeks after advanced copies of "First Strike" started circulating around Washington, Gore withdrew from the presidential race. His withdrawal shocked Washington. It did not shock Sanders and me. We expected it. Kerry plays hardball, too.

While I have your attention, Chris, there is one other person you need to put on the spot. Her name is Jamie Gorelick, former deputy attorney general under the figurehead, Janet Reno. You probably know her. Last week, UPI reported that the high-level 9-11 panel on which she sits "was rocked Thursday by the bizarre revelation that two of its senior officials were so closely involved in the events they are investigating that they have had to be interviewed as part of the inquiry." One of the two was Gorelick.

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See also:

Why John Kerry talks about TWA 800

On Aug. 22, 1996, just a few days before the start of the Democratic National Convention, Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI. Immediately after this meeting, as it happened, all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

On the next day, for instance, the FAA began to inquire whether any dog-training exercises had ever taken place on the plane that would become TWA 800. On the same day, as CNN reported, the FBI now claimed publicly for the first time that the explosive residue found along the right wing "could have been brought on the plane by a passenger and was not part of a bomb." Likewise, after the meeting, the FBI would do no more eyewitness interviews, at least not for the next two months. The Bureau only did a handful after that – and all of those for the wrong reasons.

WND

28 posted on 08/19/2005 6:06:59 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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Is it possible that when the heroes in the movie “Men In Black” put on their shades, the device was not fictional?


31 posted on 08/19/2005 6:14:48 AM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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I heard John Kerry himself refer to TWA 800 as a terror attack.

Seems everyone but the public was told the truth.

I also suspect that it was the klinton administration who began the rumor that it was a US Navy ship that fired a missle at the plane.

32 posted on 08/19/2005 6:19:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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a good novel, written a year ago, by my favorite author about the TWA 800 flight:

The book is centered on an investigation of the July 1996 crash of flight TWA 800, "when... a big Boeing 747 bound for Paris with 230 passengers and crew on board, exploded off the Atlantic coast of Long Island, sending all 230 souls to their deaths." In July 2001, Federal Anti-Terrorist Task Force detective John Corey, a brilliant, smart-ass detective last seen in Plum Island and The Lion's Game, accompanies his FBI agent wife, Kate Mayfield, to the fifth anniversary of the disaster. John, whose wife worked the crash in 1996, understands that Kate has brought him along because she doesn't buy the official finding of "mechanical failure" and wants him to mount his own investigation. There are 200 eyewitnesses who swear they saw a missile lift into the clear night sky and bring down the airplane, a charge dismissed by the CIA as an optical illusion. Though Corey is warned away from the investigation, like any good fictional detective, this only serves to spur him on. He uncovers evidence that a man and a woman, on the beach that fateful night videotaping their adulterous affair, inadvertently caught on tape the missile hitting the plane. The book is primarily about John tracking down the couple, but as the end nears, readers will begin to understand the perilous direction in which Demille is leading them. The pages will turn in a blur as a feeling of dread grows, until the end comes and one's worst fears are confirmed. Readers will think about this one for a long time.

I loved this book - but I think everything he writes is great.

***this is not an advertisement for the book, but rather an "on topic" reference about the TWA 800 flight event. If you liked the old Tom Clancey stuff, then you'll like this.....even more!

36 posted on 08/19/2005 6:23:55 AM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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