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Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight
The New York Times ^ | 08/19/05 | Andrew Pollack

Posted on 08/19/2005 9:25:31 AM PDT by RoyalsFan

By ANDREW POLLACK Published: August 19, 2005 DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; civilwarii; constitutionlist; cw2; govwatch; illegalalien; invasion; judicialactivism; landgrab; ranchrescue; unbelieveable
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Un-fricking-believeable!
1 posted on 08/19/2005 9:25:32 AM PDT by RoyalsFan
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To: RoyalsFan

Dupe.


2 posted on 08/19/2005 9:26:07 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

Who was the Judge...Greer?


3 posted on 08/19/2005 9:26:53 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo

Holy S@#$


4 posted on 08/19/2005 9:28:21 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: RoyalsFan

This guy better apeal this, the Illegals have no standing here what so ever. New way to own land, sneak across the border and have a judge take land away from a citizen and give it to an ILLEGAL alien. We need to take some drastic action on judges like this.


5 posted on 08/19/2005 9:29:06 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: HiJinx; Travis McGee

Ping!


6 posted on 08/19/2005 9:29:31 AM PDT by RoyalsFan (Freepmail me if you want on my Kansas City Royals ping list)
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To: calex59

On the other hand, this article is from the New York slimes and may be entirely false or large parts of it anyway. It may be a made up story altogether.


7 posted on 08/19/2005 9:30:08 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: calex59

We need to take some drastic action on Morris Dees and the SPLC.


8 posted on 08/19/2005 9:31:01 AM PDT by DaiHuy (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: RoyalsFan

Only one comment:

One man says to a second man: "Do you believe in the First Amendment freedom of speech?"

The second man says: "Of course I do."

The first man then asks: "Do you believe in the Second Amendment freedom to bear arms?"

The second man replies: "No, I don't."

The first man insists: "Then shut up!"

The moral of the story is: you can have your rights, but you have to protect and defend them, too.


9 posted on 08/19/2005 9:31:13 AM PDT by hombre_sincero
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To: All

This needs to be appealed, and these two need to be deported, along with Mr. Dees (the child pervert.)


10 posted on 08/19/2005 9:31:44 AM PDT by RoyalsFan (Freepmail me if you want on my Kansas City Royals ping list)
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To: calex59

I saw this in Fox News this morning. I couldn't believe it. Surely, this will be overturned on appeal.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 9:32:09 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: All

Dupe thread same title over here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1466446/posts


13 posted on 08/19/2005 9:34:05 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: RoyalsFan
The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.

This handout won’t help much.
14 posted on 08/19/2005 9:34:48 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: RoyalsFan
I don't know what everyone is upset about.

All someone has to do is demonstrate they can get more tax revenue for the land vis-a-vis Kelo v New London.

15 posted on 08/19/2005 9:36:42 AM PDT by krazyrep
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To: DaiHuy

here is just a few of their vaunted efforts to allow the poor oppressed masses access to our courts and country.

http://www.splcenter.org/legal/docket/docket.jsp?sortID=4&agendaID=4


16 posted on 08/19/2005 9:37:02 AM PDT by DaiHuy (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: RoyalsFan

The stampeding sound you're about to hear is from the throngs of illegals who just found a way to beat the system. Show up on a property, get yourself roughed up, hire a lawyer. This is just....I'm speechless.


17 posted on 08/19/2005 9:38:26 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: krazyrep
All someone has to do is demonstrate they can get more tax revenue for the land vis-a-vis Kelo v New London.

Maybe thats the real plan here. The illegals, who now own a sizable and likely valuable piece of property will not be able to pay the taxes and the county seizes it, sells it, and gets the cash.

18 posted on 08/19/2005 9:40:10 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Icthus

All your ranch are belong to us...
amigo!


19 posted on 08/19/2005 9:41:09 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: Muzzle_em

LOL!


20 posted on 08/19/2005 9:41:44 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: Icthus

21 posted on 08/19/2005 9:43:40 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: calex59

"This guy better apeal this, the Illegals have no standing here what so ever. New way to own land, sneak across the border and have a judge take land away from a citizen and give it to an ILLEGAL alien. We need to take some drastic action on judges like this."

According to Bush we are vigilantes and illegals are just looking for work. Bush and AG Gonzales are probably dancing a jig together over the news that American citizens are losing their property rights to illegals who have no rights here.


22 posted on 08/19/2005 9:43:42 AM PDT by sasafras (Want to get rid of illegals then take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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To: RoyalsFan

?????? WTH?????


23 posted on 08/19/2005 9:45:13 AM PDT by cgk (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps: Emo Phillips)
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To: RoyalsFan
This paramilitary "group" is all hot air.. -OR-
that Judge will recieve a "visit" for some "clarification"..
24 posted on 08/19/2005 9:45:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Phantom Lord
Maybe thats the real plan here.

Works for me...

25 posted on 08/19/2005 9:46:03 AM PDT by krazyrep
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To: sasafras

I was thinking it would be at least 5 years before the west went the way of Yugoslavia, The SW USA is a smoldering fire that our government is pouring gasoline on.


26 posted on 08/19/2005 9:46:28 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: RoyalsFan

Shameful. This is an outrage. We cannot accept this kind of injustice. This is the reason the second amendment exists. When our government no longer acts in the best interest of its citizens, it's time we take our government back. It might just be time to get our guns.


27 posted on 08/19/2005 9:47:51 AM PDT by Bird Jenkins
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To: sasafras

Nethercutt is not popular with management here, but RR was a legitimate force trying to deal with illegals who were cutting across ranches and terrorizing owners in their houses, sometimes raping and robbing, always stealing anything that wasn't nailed down. Just another group of folks doing jobs the governmental entity refuses to do. And not the governmental entity has found a way to put them out of business.

This judge needs to be put out of business. Anybody know the name?


28 posted on 08/19/2005 9:48:03 AM PDT by johnb838 (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: RoyalsFan

We are standing by as our nation is being flushed down the toilet. Makes one wonder why we are sending our troops to Irag to defend liberty while we are losing our liberty here.


29 posted on 08/19/2005 9:52:22 AM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: RoyalsFan

Come on over, for you too can own another's property.
Pick fight, get lawyer, sue for property, gain property,
if I'm from south of the border.
Is this a great county or what?

Don't be surprised my fellow Americans, this is only the beginning. The worst is yet to come.


30 posted on 08/19/2005 9:52:22 AM PDT by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: From One - Many

31 posted on 08/19/2005 9:55:25 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: vrwc0915

It seems from this picture, that GWB doesn't care much for Fox, but I could be reading it wrong.


32 posted on 08/19/2005 9:57:11 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: RoyalsFan

Salt


33 posted on 08/19/2005 9:57:50 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: vrwc0915

I've seen it posted before and it bears repeating.

"The American people have no-one to turn to."

Blood in the Streets?
It's beginning to appear our so-called leaders are
paving the way for this to happen.


34 posted on 08/19/2005 9:58:07 AM PDT by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: RoyalsFan

Marxist Justice


35 posted on 08/19/2005 9:58:34 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: KenmcG414
If the troops were here on the border it would be to put down US Citizens protecting their land.

Take a look at the excerpts for a fellow freepers book if you would like a preview of the next 5 years
http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/bookde.htm
36 posted on 08/19/2005 9:59:53 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: RoyalsFan

I wish Tony Snow would have had this information when he was talking to Richardson and Newt this morning.


37 posted on 08/19/2005 10:00:07 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: RoyalsFan
Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Like the ACLU ...and many others...

Against all enemies.. both foreign and domestic

imo

38 posted on 08/19/2005 10:00:27 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: RoyalsFan

Now that the court has screwed this rancher, These destitute illegals can sell it for a very nice profit. They sure as heck can't pay the taxes. Or maybe the previous owner will be required to pay them for these poor illegals. BARF BARF BARF. Amen.


39 posted on 08/19/2005 10:02:57 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: RoyalsFan

This could be a landmark case, a turning point for the anti-illegal invasion, and a turning point for the tolerance of groups that support illegals.

This is unreal.

Hoppy


40 posted on 08/19/2005 10:03:51 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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Kinda a mini version of giving Israel to terrorists as a reward for murder, rape,torture,destruction...and now narco terrorism..


41 posted on 08/19/2005 10:03:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: krazyrep
"I don't know what everyone is upset about."

Probably about the fact that these illegal alien criminals should have been seized by police the moment they stepped foot into the courtroom and sent to deportation proceedings. Let them sue from Mexico. They have no legal standing in this country.
42 posted on 08/19/2005 10:04:26 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: marvlus

Half right: he just sensed that Fox is going for his wallet in his back pocket and is turning to the right to block him.
(But don't hold your breath for him to 'turn to the right' as our country suffers this invasion.)


43 posted on 08/19/2005 10:05:36 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: RoyalsFan
Un-fricking-believeable!

Looking back at the past several years, I'd say it's quite believable.

44 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:21 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: marvlus
Don't know if he likes him or not but he likes cheap labor according to his orders to the border patrol
45 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:39 AM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: calex59
This guy better apeal this, the Illegals have no standing here what so ever.

It's a personal injury case -- the claim is that the rancher harmed them. If he did (and I guess that's what the trial found), then illegals have just as much right to sue over bodily harm as anybody else.

46 posted on 08/19/2005 10:07:06 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

Just think, people are taking notes about our court system, and you can bet those looking at this case from south of the border are licking their chops.


47 posted on 08/19/2005 10:07:39 AM PDT by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: johnb838

Read the article again, it was a jury trial. I can almost 100% guarantee you it was a hispanic jury that found in their favor. Remember you dont have to have a unanimous vote in a civil proceeding. Same thing will happen over and over again as Hispanics bring their rascism, crime and corruption here.


48 posted on 08/19/2005 10:07:59 AM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: RoyalsFan

further proof that our nation is insane


49 posted on 08/19/2005 10:08:21 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They make take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: RoyalsFan

further proof that our nation is insane


50 posted on 08/19/2005 10:08:23 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They make take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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