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Canada Blames Us
NRO ^ | August 19, 2005 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 08/19/2005 10:33:53 AM PDT by neverdem

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Canada Blames Us

Gun-control folly here, up north, across the pond...

By John R. Lott Jr.

If you have a problem, it's often easier to blame someone else rather than deal with it. And with Canada's murder rate rising 12 percent last year and a recent rash of murders by gangs in Toronto and other cities, it's understandable that Canadian politicians want a scapegoat. That at least was the strategy Canada's premiers took when they met last Thursday with the new U.S. ambassador to Canada, David Wilkins, and spent much of their time blaming their crime problems on guns smuggled in from the United States.

Of course, there is a minor problem with the attacks on the U.S. Canadians really don't know what the facts are, and the reason is simple: Despite billions of dollars spent on the Canada's gun-registration program and the program's inability to solve crime, the government does not how many crime-guns were seized in Canada, let alone where those guns came from. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police reported in late July that they "cannot know if [the guns] were traceable or where they might have been traced." Thus, even if smuggled guns were an important problem, the Canadian government doesn't know if it is worse now than in the past.

Even in Toronto, which keeps loose track of these numbers, Paul Culver, a senior Toronto Crown Attorney, claims that guns from the U.S. are a "small part" of the problem.

There is another more serious difficulty: You don't have to live next to the United States to see how hard it is to stop criminals from getting guns. The easy part is getting law-abiding citizens to disarm; the hard part is getting the guns from criminals. Drug gangs that are firing guns in places like Toronto seem to have little trouble getting the drugs that they sell and it should not be surprising that they can get the weapons they need as well.

The experiences in the U.K. and Australia, two island nations whose borders are much easier to monitor, should also give Canadian gun controllers some pause. The British government banned handguns in 1997 but recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the four years from 1998-99 to 2002-03.

Crime was not supposed to rise after handguns were banned. Yet, since 1996 the serious-violent-crime rate has soared by 69 percent; robbery is up 45 percent, and murders up 54 percent. Before the law, armed robberies had fallen 50 percent from 1993 to 1997, but as soon as handguns were banned the robbery rate shot back up, almost to its 1993 level.

The 2000 International Crime Victimization Survey, the last survey completed, shows the violent-crime rate in England and Wales was twice the rate of that in the U.S. When the new survey for 2004 comes out later this year, that gap will undoubtedly have widened even further as crimes reported to British police have since soared by 35 percent, while those in the U.S. have declined 6 percent.

Australia has also seen its violent-crime rates soar immediately after its 1996 Port Arthur gun-control measures. Violent crime rates averaged 32-percent higher in the six years after the law was passed (from 1997 to 2002) than they did in 1995. The same comparisons for armed-robbery rates showed increases of 74 percent.

During the 1990s, just as Britain and Australia were more severely regulating guns, the U.S. was greatly liberalizing individuals' abilities to carry firearms. Thirty seven of the fifty states now have so-called right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns after passing a criminal background check and paying a fee. Only half the states require some training, usually around three to five hours. Yet crime has fallen even faster in these states than the national average. Overall, the states in the U.S. that have experienced the fastest growth rates in gun ownership during the 1990s have experienced the biggest drops in murders and other violent crimes.

Many things affect crime: The rise of drug-gang violence in Canada and Britain is an important part of the story, just as it has long been important in explaining the U.S.'s rates. (Few Canadians appreciate that 70 percent of American murders take place in just 3.5 percent of our counties, and that a large percentage of those are drug-gang related.) Just as these gangs can smuggle drugs into the country, they can smuggle in weapons to defend their turf.

With Canada's reported violent-crime rate of 963 per 100,000 in 2003, a rate about twice the U.S.'s (which is 475), Canada's politicians are understandably nervous.

While it is always easier to blame another for your problems, the solution to crime is often homegrown.

John Lott, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of More Guns, Less Crime (University of Chicago Press, 2000) and The Bias Against Guns" (Regnery 2003).


 

 
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1 posted on 08/19/2005 10:34:02 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I was going to read this then remembered Canada doesn't really matter.


2 posted on 08/19/2005 10:35:12 AM PDT by Undertow ("I have found some kind of temporary sanity...")
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
Yes, that's it, Canada -- blame the United States for your self-inflicted problems. Sure beats having to admit that your situation is your own fault.

How typical. How pathetic.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

3 posted on 08/19/2005 10:36:45 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: neverdem

Jeez, what is up with that title?


4 posted on 08/19/2005 10:37:37 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: neverdem

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. (And you'll have no weapon if you get attacked by a grizzly bear).


5 posted on 08/19/2005 10:37:49 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Jeez, what is up with that title?

That's the result of cranial compression caused by too-tight tuques, hoser!

6 posted on 08/19/2005 10:40:30 AM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Jeez, what is up with that title?

I forgot to remove the remainder of the subtitle. I requested a correction before I read your comment, but thanks anyway.

7 posted on 08/19/2005 10:42:46 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

There is a simple solution: cut off the borders.


8 posted on 08/19/2005 10:42:50 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: neverdem

*yawn*


9 posted on 08/19/2005 10:44:16 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: neverdem
The ruling Liberals will never admit it but their billion dollar gun registry boondoggle hasn't made Canada one whit safer.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
10 posted on 08/19/2005 10:46:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Brilliant

Don't cut them off, make them even thicker.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 10:49:03 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: neverdem
Canada's inept attempt at gun control has made the honest population of that country a smorgasbord for criminals.
12 posted on 08/19/2005 10:51:23 AM PDT by vetvetdoug (Shiloh, Corinth, Iuka, Brices Crossroads, Harrisburg, Britton Lane, Holly Springs, Hatchie Bridge,)
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To: Undertow
Canada does not really mater but Canada, england and Australia go to prove that disarming honest civilians will give criminals the upper hand. It is safer to be in Baghdad than to be in Washington DC. It is not the guns stupid!! It is the criminals!
13 posted on 08/19/2005 10:54:02 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: neverdem; advance_copy

Just points up the absolute stupidity of the left - in Canada, the U.S., in the U.N, and everywhere. They really think "banning" firearms will produce a... happy, peaceful society. Just like outlawing bank robberies has eliminated them. (There are no bank robberies anymore, are there? I mean, they're against the law, aren't they?).

- knightshadow.


14 posted on 08/19/2005 10:55:35 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: cgk

Ping.

In view of our recent correspondence, I thought you might find this article interesting.

- knightshadow.


15 posted on 08/19/2005 10:56:48 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: mountainlyons

Yup!!

- knightshadow.


16 posted on 08/19/2005 10:57:45 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: neverdem

Any comments from those of you north of the border? What chance of a sensible party arising in Canada to correct any of this folly?


17 posted on 08/19/2005 11:01:51 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: neverdem

"Figures don't lie, but liers can figure."


18 posted on 08/19/2005 11:05:50 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (I was going to respond to your post, but I thought I better wait til your meds kicked in.)
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To: neverdem

Leftists always have to blame somebody, and after all, they can't blame themselves, can they?


19 posted on 08/19/2005 11:07:37 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Undertow

Someone once wrote that "Canada is like that nerdy, bookish sister to the prom queen that is America."


20 posted on 08/19/2005 11:11:09 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman
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To: Joe Brower
Canada Blames Us

Well when has anyone ever heard of politicians or bureaucrats blaming themselves? Never happen. When their policies fail to product the advertized result, and in fact make things worse, what do they always say? Everyone together now

"We just didn't go far enough"
Politicans and bureaucrats are a wonder to behold. When they do something that has a bad result, they claim with a straight face that doing more the the action that produced the bad result will somehow cause a good result. But, the really amazing thing is that most of the sheeple believe them.
21 posted on 08/19/2005 11:12:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Undertow

Where/what is Canada?


22 posted on 08/19/2005 11:12:48 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: Undertow
I loved it when P.J. O'Rourke defined Canada as "Kind of an arctic Nebraska." (No offense intended to Nebraskans!)
23 posted on 08/19/2005 11:12:57 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: neverdem

Let's see, Canada has less guns in the hands of law abiding citizens every year and we have more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens every year. Their violent crime rate is rising and ours has fallen precipitously. Wow, I wonder if there is a correlation?


24 posted on 08/19/2005 11:16:30 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Where/what is Canada?

I've heard that its a place where most kids grow up playing something called "hockey".

25 posted on 08/19/2005 11:19:53 AM PDT by Texican72
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To: Joe Brower

John Lott nailed it again!

The anti-gun lunatic left moonbats are completely wrong, as usual!

Guns save lives!

Be Ever Vigilant!


26 posted on 08/19/2005 11:23:10 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Texican72

i thought that was a place called minnesota?


27 posted on 08/19/2005 11:25:56 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: neverdem

Been a red letter year for Canuk's here, shopping, going to the doctor, driving badly, saying "aay" and displaying of a superior attitude to the colonists.


28 posted on 08/19/2005 11:26:44 AM PDT by MontanaBeth
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To: neverdem

BANG BANG!

Canada is ruined by liberals and Socialists!

Don't blame the US plz, you canucks.


29 posted on 08/19/2005 11:26:47 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: neverdem

The murder rate is a defective statistic; it measures the availability and effectiveness of emergency medical care as much as it measures the homicidal intent of the citizenry. The true measure of malignancy in society is aggravated assault. These are the crimes committed with intent to kill, or indifference to killing, that without medical care might have resulted in death.

This number has multiplied several times over, largely as a delayed (by 15 years) response to the appearance of toxic levels of graphic violence in TV programming and video games. It doesn't affect the mindset of adults much, but is a powerful tool for training children to kill without thinking.

So powerful, in fact, that police and military use these games to train their people how to react in threatening situations. The difference is that these groups also train on when to avoid shooting, while the civilian games are all about getting points for kills.


30 posted on 08/19/2005 11:31:04 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: from occupied ga

"Canada Blames Us
Well when has anyone ever heard of politicians or bureaucrats blaming themselves? Never happen. When their policies fail to product the advertized result, and in fact make things worse, what do they always say? Everyone together now: "We just didn't go far enough" Politicans and bureaucrats are a wonder to behold. When they do something that has a bad result, they claim with a straight face that doing more the the action that produced the bad result will somehow cause a good result. But, the really amazing thing is that most of the sheeple believe them.


Well said; and true.

- knightshadow.


31 posted on 08/19/2005 11:32:04 AM PDT by knightshadow
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To: neverdem

Gangs eh? Well, they, like many here in the USA, Canada welcomed the scum of the earth to their country, wanted and loves diversity, well, they got what they wished for. So, STFU blaming all else.

Diversity is just another liberal word for divide and conquer.


32 posted on 08/19/2005 11:43:31 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Joe Brower

You are right. It is pathetic. When will people take responsibility for their own problems? Never.

Thanks for the ping! Good article.


33 posted on 08/19/2005 11:48:26 AM PDT by recoveringlurker
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To: from occupied ga

"...what do they always say? Everyone together now, "We just didn't go far enough."

You forgot the part afterwards where they tell you that just a little more tax money thrown at the problem will fix everything.


34 posted on 08/19/2005 11:48:55 AM PDT by Owl558 (Pwease pardan my speling)
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To: knightshadow

Thank you! Pretty frightening, and I am often one to poo-poo statistics, assuming they've been twisted in favor of whomever is releasing them.

I remember a news story (TV) a few years back about... South Africa? And how they had taken guns away, and the home invasions/murders/rapes skyrocketed. They were showing video of homeowners (white) who once lived in beautiful homes but now lived in virtual fortresses: barbed wire, 12 foot walls, cameras, guards, dogs, etc. I remember thinking: MOVE!


35 posted on 08/19/2005 11:57:33 AM PDT by cgk (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps: Emo Phillips)
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To: knightshadow
This was probably the story I saw... in article form:


California: Ground Zero for Complete Gun Ban

Charlton Heston
March 9, 2000

If you want to own any firearm for any reason anywhere in America, you need to watch a startling television report sponsored by the NRA that's currently airing and tracks the explosion of anti-gun laws worldwide; and now in California.

If California, as so often in the past, turns out to be ground zero for the expansion of this movement into America, your rights are clearly in danger.

Election Day 2000 is your best opportunity to defend them.

So get ready for a fight. You've seen how England, Australia and Canada have passed one anti-gun law after another.

What you may not know, unless you've seen the latest NRA report, is that those countries are just a few steps ahead of the United States – and just the most visible victims of a contagion that's spreading worldwide.

In 1996, Australian politicians used the hysteria surrounding a media- sensationalized mass murder to impose, in just weeks, a total ban on all semi- automatic and pump-action rifles and shotguns.

Since those firearms were all already registered, authorities knew exactly whom to contact to confiscate each gun.

In all, they rounded up 640,000 privately owned firearms, which they sawed up in machine shops and sold for scrap steel. Now, any firearms that haven't been banned in Australia must be unloaded, disassembled and sealed in safes with ammunition locked up elsewhere.

The result?

Now in Australia, gun murders are up, firearms assaults are up, armed robberies are up, and home invasions are up.

Watch NRA's latest video production on television and you'll meet the victims first-hand. They have dire warnings for the United States, warnings every American gun owner must heed.

In South Africa, as you'll see, the politics are different, but the price is the same.

After apartheid, a new democratically elected government rode into office on promises of equal rights for all, black or white, rich or poor. But now, that same government is pushing ever-increasing restrictions on the gun rights of citizens: new gun registration and owner licensing requirements, increased fees, and a lifetime ownership limit of one firearm for self-defense.

South African anti-gun politicians soft-sell the new laws, but as Sheena Duncan, a spokeswoman for the anti-gun lobby admitted on camera, "Our ultimate goal is no guns in private hands at all."

That is, except for the criminals.

Today, despite South Africa's already-strict anti-gun laws, 25,000 murders and more than 40,000 rapes are committed each year.

Nearly 1,300 policemen have been killed in the line of duty since 1994. All who obey the law – black and white, rich and poor – suffer, while criminals thrive, all in the name of "global disarmament."

That's what this is, as you'll see in the NRA's report. During the past seven years, at least 25 nations have tightened anti-gun laws or banned guns. Now, countries that don't tolerate any freedom are plotting, through the United Nations, to stomp out firearms freedom wherever it exists – especially the United States. California proves it.

Last year, Gov. Davis signed five new anti-gun bills into law, including a broad extension of the infamous Roberti-Roos semi-auto ban that's taking ordinary hunting rifles that have been around for nearly half a century – such as the Remington Model 7400 and Browning BAR – off store shelves.

Now the Democrats, who control both houses of California's legislature, want to impose far more restrictions. One proposal, cooked up by Handgun Control, Inc., would require registration of all handguns along with annual renewals, fingerprinting, competency tests and ownership inventories.

As one California lawmaker told the Los Angeles Times, "Registration is the next logical step." What's the next step? If California follows the path of England and Australia, confiscation is next. And if California legislation becomes the model for the nation – as it did when the state's 1989 gun bans went into Clinton's Crime Bill of 1994 – your rights are in peril now.

Congressional and presidential candidates are watching California closely. If you want to keep your Second Amendment rights, you need to listen to their every word, alert fellow shooters, hunters and gun owners of what's afoot and what's at stake – and then vote accordingly on Nov. 7.

So watch the NRA video on television, and tell friends and co-workers to do the same. Get them to join the NRA and keep up with events through the Internet, at www.nralive.com and www.nraila.org. Together, we can stop this epidemic as we did in the elections of 1994, but only if every gun owner and American who cherishes freedom knows of the danger and takes steps to combat it.


36 posted on 08/19/2005 12:02:21 PM PDT by cgk (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps: Emo Phillips)
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To: neverdem

I wonder if letting in a lot of Islamists and out of control immigration may be their problem.


37 posted on 08/19/2005 12:05:03 PM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: vetvetdoug
Canada's inept attempt at gun control has made the honest population of that country a smorgasbord for criminals.

Same as in their southernmost province, the "District of Canada"

38 posted on 08/19/2005 12:05:20 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: neverdem

A good test of the hypothesis posed by our northern neigbors would be to see if Canadian violent crime went down after we passed GCA34, GCA68, Brady, The Assault Weapons Ban, or any of a number of "gun control" measures in the USA.

But it looks like their crime went up after they tried gun banning themselves, with little or no correlation to the "ready availability of guns" in the USA.

Hey, didn't Michael Moore say that there were more guns per capita in Canada than in the USA? Hmmm, if that savant is telling the truth then why would there be a market for American guns?


39 posted on 08/19/2005 12:05:25 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: neverdem
"If you have a problem, it's often easier to blame someone else rather than deal with it."

Next step is to declare Islam as the national religion of Canada.

40 posted on 08/19/2005 12:07:04 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: neverdem
Yeah, all this whining and bleating from Canadian sheep never seems to stop them from vacationing here in Florida or taking their kids to our amusement parks and shopping in our stores and staying in our big crime ridden cities....But they sure are eager to stick their socialist collectivist noses into our politics....
42 posted on 08/19/2005 12:39:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Undertow

They are a sick, violent nation, and I am sure they murder the indigenous peoples for profit or sport.
Oh, wait, that's just Quebec.


43 posted on 08/19/2005 12:53:58 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: neverdem
What this and other articles fail to mention is, that the shootings are being done by Jamaican drug dealers killing each other and innocent bystanders in the fight for territory. Everyone knows the rest of the people in Toronto are homosexuals who prefer knives over guns.
44 posted on 08/19/2005 1:01:12 PM PDT by free_life
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To: advance_copy
Canmore Alberta, Street gang.

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45 posted on 08/19/2005 1:01:19 PM PDT by concrete is my business (Can ever thy Valor be mine?)
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To: DBrow

Most firearms are rifles...I have 2 rifles and a shotgun, zero pistols.

most crimes like this are committed with handguns by criminals, they kill people in or around the criminal sub culture with an occasional outsider getting killed...

it's a criminal problem, not a gun problem...

back home most crimes were committed within the subculture with knives, machetes or blunt trauma ie bat or crow bar...

Most people outside mega cities in Canada have legitimate reasons for firearms, with a lot of the population living up north, a firearm is a must have.

they need to drop the ridiculous registration and restrictions on firearms ownership...

This Canadian will admit it is a Canadian problem and I blame only the liberal elitists for creating it in the first place...

It has nothing to do with the USA...


46 posted on 08/19/2005 2:35:39 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Grand Voyageur
A friend is not someone who tries to undermine us while batting their eyes at us to our face. You want to be our friend? STOP trying to dismantle our Constitution by supporting an involuntary international agreement that seeks to unilaterally disarm us! Stop beating us up for the war while letting terrorists through your borders! Stop teaching your youth that we are the great enemy to your south.
48 posted on 08/19/2005 3:21:28 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: EveningStar

South Park Republicans sing with me.....BLAME CANADA!!!


49 posted on 08/19/2005 3:41:01 PM PDT by Feiny (Posting without spell checking for 5 years now.)
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