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Judge declares Calif salamander endangered in two counties (Santa Barbara and Sonoma)
http://www.bakersfield.com/state_wire/story/5594886p-5570719c.html ^ | 8/19/05 | David Kravets - AP

Posted on 08/19/2005 5:31:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A federal judge here on Friday declared the California tiger salamander an endangered species in Santa Barbara and Sonoma counties.

The decision by U.S. District Judge William Alsup, if it survives, might postpone, preclude or make it costlier to develop thousands of acres in the two counties.

The species is already listed as threatened across the state, meaning some development restrictions exist in its habitat surrounding certain wetlands and other areas.

Under Friday's decision, however, restrictions could be bolstered. The ruling does not become law for more than a month to allow for appeals.

"We do feel it will lead to increased protections and make it harder to justify the wholesale destruction of tiger salamander habitat," said Peter Galvin, conservation director with the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the groups that brought a lawsuit that led to Friday's ruling.

Jim Nickles, a spokesman for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, one of the defendants in the suit, said the agency had no comment on the decision. He would not say whether the service would appeal.

"The protections in place for an endangered species are a little more restrictive than a threatened species. Most rules apply to both," Nickles said.

The California tiger salamander is a black-and-yellow amphibian that grows up to 8 inches long and lives in grasslands, woodlands and vernal pools, where it breeds during the winter rainy season. The species has been threatened by urban sprawl.

Carolyn Wasem, a lobbyist for landowners and homebuilders, suspects the ruling won't have any large-scale impacts. She said both counties are working on plans limiting development on thousands of acres along the salamander's habitat.

"We feel pretty confident and pretty hopeful that this ruling won't have a real affect on us," she said. "We are already taking steps to deal with it."

Judge Alsup ruled that there was no scientific reason for the government to have at one time declared the species endangered and then to have downgraded its status to threatened last year.

"There was no scientific evidence for downlisting the Sonoma and Santa Barbara tiger salamanders," Alsup ruled, noting that U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service scientists supported the endangered status. "The agency did not supply any scientific evidence."

The case is Center for Biological Diversity v. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 04-04324.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; counties; endangered; esa; judge; salamander; santabarbara; sonoma

1 posted on 08/19/2005 5:32:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
I declare the average American taxpayer an endangered species.

What special rules will I decree?

2 posted on 08/19/2005 5:36:37 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Did he actually go out and count them????????


3 posted on 08/19/2005 5:37:24 PM PDT by JRP0322
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To: NormsRevenge
I in laws own vacant land in Sonoma County where this is threatening development. Hate to see this hurt any chances of them selling this land for future housing.
4 posted on 08/19/2005 5:41:22 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

I declare the average American taxpayer an endangered species.
What special rules will I decree?
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Well if this leftist, whacko, activist judge will protect land for endangered species, and he has set a precendent here, then that should solve our illegal Mexican problem -- how soon do we file our class action suit ???


5 posted on 08/19/2005 5:42:48 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: NormsRevenge

Here in Hartford County the polar bear, the Kudu, the dik dik and the gabon viper are seriously endangered


6 posted on 08/19/2005 5:43:33 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: NormsRevenge

Salamanders are very important, obviously, but did you know frogs eat salamanders so do fish. So unless they do something about the frogs and fish these salamanders are
going to get eaten !


7 posted on 08/19/2005 5:43:39 PM PDT by claptrap (optional tagline under re-consideration)
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To: claptrap

salamanders are going to get eaten !

Not by me I just step on 'em!


8 posted on 08/19/2005 5:45:32 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Uncle Hal

A simple solution: make it economically desirable to preserve the California tiger salamander, by tax breaks for example.

Another simple solution: force the residents to kill every California tiger salamander they can possibly find.

Guess which one the judge chose.


9 posted on 08/19/2005 5:48:13 PM PDT by decal ("The Republic was not established by cowards, and cowards will not preserve it")
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To: claptrap

I wonder what they would taste like if you added a few of them to a spotted owl stew?


10 posted on 08/19/2005 5:52:55 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: Rabid Dog

SB enviro-whacko *ping*


11 posted on 08/19/2005 6:10:38 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Image hosted by Photobucket.com and Atlas PUKED!!!
12 posted on 08/19/2005 6:21:08 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: NormsRevenge

bookmark


13 posted on 08/19/2005 6:23:04 PM PDT by Alia
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To: JRP0322
"Did he actually go out and count them????????

Yes, they've got little enviro-wacko spies out hunting for anything they can find, and if they don't find them, then they find some elsewhere and plant them on or transplant them to whatever they want to "protect." Believe me, they've been caught doing this many times. A friend of mine aught them planting endangered weeds on his place.

14 posted on 08/19/2005 6:47:12 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: claptrap
"Salamanders are very important, obviously, but did you know frogs eat salamanders so do fish. So unless they do something about the frogs and fish these salamanders are going to get eaten!"

Hey don't laugh. The National Park Service doesn't. Here at Mount Rainier, the Park Service has DELIBERATELY gone in and poisoned all the fish in all the lakes in order to save the salamanders. Of course the public was never asked which they preferred, fish or salamanders, but then again, the Park Service could care less. They're patting themselves on the back for saving the salamanders.

15 posted on 08/19/2005 6:53:23 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: NormsRevenge
If they are found in two counties they are not endangered.
And besides, clone all you want. Tip. Environmentalists play both sides. Because of habitat "needs" the more of a species you save the more endangered they become. Without common sense there can be no justice.
16 posted on 08/19/2005 6:54:05 PM PDT by Jonathan E (Environmentalism is a religious cult keep it out of our schools and government)
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To: NormsRevenge
The decision by U.S. District Judge William Alsup, if it survives, might postpone, preclude or make it costlier to develop thousands of acres in the two counties.

This is not a problem for much of Santa Barbara County. Land values already preclude all but the top 2% of earners and adding a little "salamander money" to the pot in these lofty income circles will not make or brake a real estate deal.

17 posted on 08/19/2005 7:10:08 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Bernard Marx; pacpam; hoppity; MayflowerMadam; capitan_refugio; Kviteseid; Val E. Girl; merry10; ...

Ventura & Santa Barbara County Ping.

(Let me know if you want on/off this list)


18 posted on 08/19/2005 7:57:04 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: NormsRevenge
Judge Alsup is a math graduate of Mississippi State who was appointed to the federal bench, from California, by President Clinton in 1999. In between his graduation from MSU and his appointment to the District Court, Mr. Alsup graduated from Harvard Law School, received an M.P.P. degree from the Kennedy School at Harvard, clerked for Supreme Court Justice William Douglas, served as Assistant to the Solicitor General of the United States under President Carter, and had a very successful legal career as a courtroom litigator in both the state courts of California and the federal courts (during which time he maintained a very active "pro bono" [for free] practice).

http://www.msstate.edu/dept/politicalscience/events/Alsup.html

19 posted on 08/19/2005 8:02:14 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: NormsRevenge

Kill all the useless salamanders and they won't be endangered any longer.


20 posted on 08/19/2005 8:03:21 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Rabid Dog

Reminds me of the monks who wear masks over their mouths so they don't swallow any flying insects and destroy them....


21 posted on 08/19/2005 8:03:53 PM PDT by Snapping Turtle (Snap on and don't let go!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Go in under the cover of darkness and kill them all. Then they can be declared extinct, and property rights can be restored.


22 posted on 08/19/2005 8:20:08 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: southernerwithanattitude
I wonder what they would taste like if you added a few of them to a spotted owl stew?
Kinda like Bald Eagle with Snail Darter stuffing.
23 posted on 08/19/2005 8:35:13 PM PDT by ChibisHologram
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To: lowbridge

Thanks for adding greater context.


24 posted on 08/19/2005 8:39:54 PM PDT by PGalt
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