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Posted on 08/20/2005 10:52:05 PM PDT by joanie-f
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Excellent. Thoughtful analysis of the whole nasty mess.
You are simply asking too much - it's logical, workable, and just plane makes sense - any one of these traits make them unlikely to ever happend.....the combination?
Totally agree with you. To get your agenda passed, create the right situation that will have the folks begging you to fix the problem that you have created!
Go to www.cfr.org, the Americas, Publications: Creating a North American Community.
It seems to me that our "dear leaders" have become corrupt!
How can we take the WOT seriously when the Gov ignores the VERY OBIOUS Terror threat on the sourthern border?
Although it would be easy to pick apart some of your logistical details, that would do a disservice to the concept. What matters is something can and should be done. The details can be worked out with some more thought.
We have been guarding national borders of other countries for decades. It is a stretch to assume we don't have either the technology, ability or manpower to do the same for our own, particularly when we are being invaded by unarmed (for the most part) swarms of illegal aliens who are eating out our substance like locusts and disobeying our laws en masse.
Most of the creatures that inhabit Washington can't do the kind of simple math required to determine the difference in cost, as the author of this piece has done. Especially the Democrats.
Good post. However, the pols would rather pounce on us than stem the tide of illegal invasion.
100%. I have lost ALL faith the GWB ever had any intentions to do anything about this. In fact, it seems to me at least that 9/11 was a unfortunate event for him because it halted his immigration plans which he had in mind from day one.
Sadly, there are few of Sam Adams' fervor present in our modern society; people are too caught up in the acquisition of immaterial material wealth to pay attention to their own families, much less the dangers to our Liberty."
God forbid you say anything about peoples' materialism on FR. Your called a socialist and class envy guy. Its a joke. They can't see the forest through the trees of what is going on.
I find your comments very enlightening. I especially liked the following example: Providing ‘benefits’ to those illegal immigrants who are hired by American businesses looking to make a quick, illegal buck, but who provide no healthcare – thus causing their illegal employees to obtain ‘free’ (on the backs of the taxpayer) healthcare (thanks to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985).
That the average American citizen does not easily comprehend the truth of that statement is one of the chief reasons our Nation is in the state of decline it is in today. Keep up the good fight!
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BQ, I assume you've been pinged.
Your cost analysis is right on IF DONE BY PRIVATE ENTERPRISE but when you factor in the government the cost would be at least 4 times that but still cheaper than what the illeglas are costing us today.
I might add that the current border patrol personel should be re deployed to seek out, arrest, and fine the businesses and individuals that hire the illegals and deport the illegals purging the nation of the disease that is killing us.
Allow me to repost my previous reply to you then...
"An excellent analysis, and well said.
The cost recovery alone in the first 5 years, due to the decreased burden on the State/Fed tax system by SEVERELY curtailing, if not outright eliminating the Illegal Infiltrator problem MORE than offeset the start-up costs, and as the wall will not need 8 Billion/Year EVERY year, as it will then be a fixed cost...I rough estimate with your provided figures that within 3.5 to 4 years, The Wall, security, and all associated costs will be paid in full by the savings from reduced/eliminated burden!
Then, we can wall off Canada...after offering the Westen Provinces the opportunity to join the US first!
My next suggestion is doing what was done in "Escape From New York"...turn Manhattan into a LIEberal enclave(hell, it already IS), wall it up and mine/cut the bridges and tunnels, and just toss the bastards in as they surface in the rest of America, to fend for themselves and not screw it up for the REAL America anymore! You want to live in a Marxist Utopia...here's your entry pass...good luck!
I can see Krintong and Shrillary as the "Duke and Dutchess of NY...they're A #1!"...I know...a fantasy, but I can dream, can't I?
Back to reality...your final thought is correct, but not far enough along... I predict that we are 12/18 MONTHS from B.I.T.S. ... and that timeframe is shrinking exponentially with EVERY Kelo/AZ decision that comes along, as our "Leaders" dither and show just how meaningless and out-of-touch they are!
I predict that we should invest in comanies that produce things like rope...ammo/arms...feathers...tar....because the past will happen again, and sooner than the Perfumed Princes of Power think.
I can’t help but wonder when we citizens of America 2005 will declare that the last straw has been placed on the camel’s back. Are we more ‘tolerant’ of the tyranny of government than Sam Adams and his fellow patriots were? Are we more of a mindset that we will not take action until the abuse occurs in our own backyard? Are we more willing to wear the chains to which Adams referred, because we love the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom?
Back in 1999, Claire Wolfe observed in her book, ‘ 101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution’:
‘America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. '
Considering the atrocities (both by neglect and by overt action) committed by our government in the six years since Claire penned that thought, I can’t help but wonder whether we have been pushed significantly closer to the revolution she envisioned in those last three words.
"I can’t help but wonder when we citizens of America 2005 will declare that the last straw has been placed on the camel’s back. "
The last straw is there.
We have a government which, far from asserting its responsibility to protect its citizens from foreign invaders, acctually advocates and implements a deliberate policy of assisting those very invaders.
A governmnet which steals the property of citizens attempting to defend their borders against these invaders.
A government which aids and abets these invaders by foisting a mandated, deliberate policy of bilingualism on the nation compelling native born Americans to deal with a foreign tongue every day - in government documents, in advertisements, in business communications.
A government which sanctions and mandates the medical and social support of these invaders by stealing money from the pockets of American citizens.
A government which makes a mockery of its own immigration laws and those law-abiding individuals who wait and pay to immigrate here legally.
An Attorney General who, to all intents and purposes, is sympathetic to, and assists these invaders instead of taking the strong actions needed to stop them.
A President who ignores a blatant act of war by a neighboring nation which has actually mobilized its military below our borders to assist and abet these invaders.
All of this at a very time when our nation is under constant threat of infiltration and attack by fanatic foreigners bent on suicidal destruction of American civilians.
The system is broken.
Unless there is a loud concerted scream of rage, anger and resentment expressed by Americans who refuse to tolerate this obscenity any longer, we will very shortly have no nation left to protect.
You are being far too generous when you say, "Government efforts to stop illegal immigration have been half-hearted, at best – and entirely unsuccessful."
May as well state it outright, government has welcomed ILLEGAL immigration by making it clear that immigration laws will NOT be enforced.
(Since 9/11 some national security sites have been raided for ILLEGAL immigrants. A couple of chicken processing places in Arkansas have been raided also, who knows why. Wal-Mart (also of Arkansas) got nailed. Hmmm. There I've named all the enforcement to date since 1986, I believe.)
You suggest that "My entire purpose in creating this hypothetical example [of the wall, etc.] is to suggest simply that I believe there is a fundamental, nuts-and-bolts solution to the crisis"
IMO the DLC New Democrat Third Way progressives and the mainline Republicans are the obstacles. Our anointed ones. Both count Mexicorruption's criminal ruling class among their friends. Both stridently support migrant labor. The former for ideological reasons (remittances are key to helping redistribute wealth to the developing nations) and the latter for government-subsidized "cheap" labor.
(The exact same forces are at work vis-a-vis the free tradin' transfers of technology, wealth, and jobs to developing nations; to wit, redistribution of wealth and "cheap" labor.)
Only another Sam Adams and friends can solve that problem. The revolution this time can be "peaceful" via a new political party. The Minutemen are forming one, I believe.
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