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Tom wants Oprah
News.com.au ^ | August 20, 2005 | Geoffrey Wansell

Posted on 08/21/2005 8:02:52 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist

YOU could argue that she is the most influential woman in America, not least because her daily television program reaches into the living room of almost every home in the US.

Television insiders insist she can single-handedly turn books into bestsellers and mere celebrities into megastars. But now, glamorous talk show host Oprah Winfrey has become the target of the controversial Church of Scientology. The campaign is being led by its most famous disciple, 43-year-old Tom Cruise, who is doing everything in his considerable power to convert her to the cultish faith. Cruise recently bought a house two doors away from Oprah in the glamorous suburb of Santa Barbara, California. The two are close friends. Winfrey regularly sings Cruise's praises on her show, and it was there that he chose to make his first public declaration of love for his new fiancee, 26-year-old Katie Holmes, in a toe-curling spectacle.

But the wooing of Oprah Winfrey to the Scientology cause has not been left to Cruise alone.

Fellow Scientologist and Pulp Fiction star John Travolta, 51, whom she also repeatedly favours on her television program, recently presented her with a $700,000 Bentley car for her birthday.

Oprah would be a huge catch for the Scientologists, one internet site announced this week, and you can almost see Cruise's eyes gleaming at the prospect. Another adds: "If Oprah falls into the hands of Scientology, who can tell what influence she might have on the population? The prospect is terrifying."

The Church of Scientology has a controversial reputation. One American judge described its founder, science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, as a pathological liar. Scientology may not be quite as hip in Hollywood at the moment as Kabbalah, the ultra-fashionable Jewish mystical group beloved of Madonna, but it is regarded by many as being more powerful - and it is clearly on a recruitment drive for another star disciple.

Scientology already counts among its celebrity followers Travolta's actress wife Kelly Preston, former Cheers star Kirstie Alley, Lisa Marie Presley, and Nancy Cartwright - the voice of cartoon character Bart Simpson.

Travolta, who also has a house in Santa Barbara near Winfrey, vehemently denies claims followers of Scientology are brainwashed into blind adherence to its principles.

"That is garbage," Travolta says. "Do you really believe that I would stand for something like that? The courses help me solve my problems. I also attend religious counselling where, with a spiritual guide, I tackle personal problems."

But most of the focus is on the cult's biggest star, Cruise, who now uses his considerable power and influence in Hollywood - not to mention his estimated $US400m fortune - to bring notable new recruits into the Scientology fold.

Founded by the late L. Ron Hubbard in 1955, Scientology is defined by a belief in the power of a person's spirit to clear itself of past painful experiences through self-knowledge and spiritual fulfilment.

This is achieved through intensive counselling. Scientologists believe humans are an exiled race from outer space called Thetans and claim to have eight million followers worldwide (though some critics would argue its true membership is only about 50,000).

Scientology is extremely sensitive to criticism. It uses the vast funds it accrues from members to defend itself vigorously. The church's appetite for rich and influential supporters knows few bounds - Winfrey aside. The TV host is not Cruise's only prey when it comes to wooing the rich, powerful and famous.

Just two years ago, Cruise is believed to have made a determined effort to convince James Packer of the benefits of Scientology, just as he did with his second wife, actress Nicole Kidman, and his subsequent girlfriend, Penelope Cruz. None of those attempts worked, however, which accounts for his current fascination with Oprah.

Cruise is now so in thrall to the Scientologists that he insists his children - and anyone who wants to be close to him - also embrace its bizarre teachings. These include a claim that Scientology can free individuals of the negative views implanted in humans by aliens centuries ago. Indeed, some movie insiders say that Cruise's passion for the cult has grown to such extraordinary proportions in the past year that it now pervades every single part of his life.

On the set of his latest film, War Of The Worlds, Cruise demanded that a Scientology tent - complete with volunteer ministers - should be available at all times to help any sick and injured among the movie's cast and crew.

There are suggestions Scientology lies behind his sudden engagement to the beautiful Katie Holmes.

There's no doubt Holmes has fallen under the spell of the church since meeting Cruise. The young former Dawson's Creek TV star has already announced her conversion to Scientology.

She is also seldom to be seen without her Scientology minder, a shadowy 29-year-old woman called Jessica Feshbach Rodriguez, whose family is one of the church's largest financial donors. Holmes now calls Rodriguez her best friend, even though they have known each other for only a matter of weeks.

Bizarrely, a series of red blotches on Katie Holmes's face, which suddenly appeared after she met Cruise, were alleged by some critics to be the result of a niacin-based detoxification process performed by the Church of Scientology - although this process was officially denied by the organisation.

Holmes says it is ludicrous to suggest that she has been press-ganged into adopting Scientology by her new fiance.

She says: "Tom doesn't put pressure on people. He is the kindest, smartest, most adoring man."

Not everyone is convinced. One US commentator said this week: "Holmes, who was previously a sweet, thoughtful, articulate young woman, now comes across as a zombie." He adds: "It can only be more worrisome for her parents as they see the steady hold Tom Cruise and Scientology have taken of their beloved daughter."

So pervasive is Scientology's influence in Cruise's life that he is believed to have placed the education of his adopted children with Nicole Kidman - Isabella, 12, and Conor, 10 - in the hands of Cass and Marian Cruise, two of his three sisters, who both converted to the religion over a decade ago. They are reported to be placing heavy emphasis on the teachings of Scientology.

Bella Cruise, as his daughter is known, has recently been listed in the Scientology bulletin for completing what it calls the basic course. Like Kidman, Holmes, too, comes from a Catholic family, but Holmes agreed to convert to Scientology - something that Kidman, however, always refused to do.

Actress Penelope Cruz, whom Cruise dated after his separation from Kidman, also took Scientology courses during their three-year relationship, but she, too, declined to convert - which many Hollywood insiders believe was one cause of their break-up.

You can hardly get to speak to Cruise these days without going through a Scientologist, one industry professional claims.

Cruise's third sister, Lee Anne De Vette, another convert to Scientology, has taken charge of his public relations this year, replacing the respected movie industry figure, Pat Kingsley.

A convert to Scientology in 1987 in the wake of his first marriage to actress Mimi Rogers, Cruise claims that its teaching helped him to overcome his dyslexia.

According to members of the group, Cruise has reached the sixth of eight "Operating Thetan" levels and is trusted enough to know almost all the secret truth of the universe. Oprah Winfrey beware.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: kaliforniakults; oprah; scientology; tomcruise
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1 posted on 08/21/2005 8:02:52 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist
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To: Types_with_Fist

Ok.....


2 posted on 08/21/2005 8:09:37 AM PDT by brivette
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To: Types_with_Fist


Oprah is too smart for that.


3 posted on 08/21/2005 8:10:51 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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To: Types_with_Fist

Oprah's head on the wall will look good in the Scientology Trophy Room.


4 posted on 08/21/2005 8:11:43 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: brivette
Somebody posted Tom Cruise Tries to Convert Oprah to Scientology back on 7/25/2005. Not real hard to predict but I thought it was interesting.
5 posted on 08/21/2005 8:11:56 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Types_with_Fist
"Holmes says it is ludicrous to suggest that she has been press-ganged into adopting Scientology by her new fiance."

Katie, it's called, BRAIN WASHED.....

6 posted on 08/21/2005 8:14:01 AM PDT by texianyankee
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To: Types_with_Fist

Well, well well. Wait until they encounter the "Religion of Peas", they will be able to make a salad.


7 posted on 08/21/2005 8:14:50 AM PDT by stockpirate (We can fight the Muslim Army in Iraq! Or we can fight them outback! Check my homepage)
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To: Types_with_Fist
YOU could argue that she is the most influential woman in America, not least because her daily television program reaches into the living room of almost every home in the US.

This guy is delusional.

8 posted on 08/21/2005 8:14:51 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Types_with_Fist
"Ten percent of your income, Baby! Gets rid of all those evil thetans! Works for me!"


9 posted on 08/21/2005 8:15:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Types_with_Fist

Another Hollywood certifiable nut case!


10 posted on 08/21/2005 8:15:37 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Types_with_Fist
Nothing different happening here that doesn't happen in every other "religion" in the world.   
11 posted on 08/21/2005 8:18:45 AM PDT by sinclair (It's probably a good thing I'm not in charge of stuff.)
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To: silverleaf

Wouldn't a simple tinfoil hat work just as well? ;)


12 posted on 08/21/2005 8:19:41 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Types_with_Fist
She says: "Tom ... is the kindest, smartest, most adoring man."

Yep she's been brainwashed. - noöne in there anymore.

13 posted on 08/21/2005 8:19:54 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Free Katie Holmes)
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To: Types_with_Fist

Oprah would never fall for it. She is convinced she is God.


14 posted on 08/21/2005 8:20:34 AM PDT by sharktrager (My life is like a box of chocolates, but someone took all the good ones.)
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To: sinclair

What church do you go to that gives away $700,000 cars, and when would you like to start trying to convert me?


15 posted on 08/21/2005 8:21:39 AM PDT by sharktrager (My life is like a box of chocolates, but someone took all the good ones.)
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To: Types_with_Fist
Scientology - America's answer to radical islam. Both of them are for idiots. More information on the Religion of BS here
16 posted on 08/21/2005 8:22:46 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: silverleaf

lmao... ya think he wsas trying to convert her on the spot?


17 posted on 08/21/2005 8:25:01 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: silverleaf

Great post....LOL


18 posted on 08/21/2005 8:29:41 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Types_with_Fist

Read this story and tell me Katie Holmes isn't either brainwashed or nuts:

http://www.style.com/w/feat_story/070505/full_page.html

No pressure from Cruise, she swears: "That's really ludicrous because, I mean, you have to know Tom. He is the most loving, generous man who… first of all, he wants to help people. He doesn't put pressure on people. He is the kindest, smartest, most adoring man. It's a pleasure and a privilege to be with him."

As if that weren't already perfectly clear, just then a security guard lumbers into the dressing room and presents Holmes with a giant silver box tied in a thick purple ribbon. A small crowd gathers to watch her gleefully tear open the package and pluck out a Chanel diamond necklace—a gift, naturally, from Cruise. "He's my man! He's my man!" she screams, then jumps up on her chair to do an impression of her fiancé's now-famous sofa shtick from Oprah.

People begin to cheer. "This is your moment!" cries the manicurist.

"I can do splits too," Holmes says, jumping down and splaying herself across the floor. On that note, I suggest, we should probably get the photo shoot started.

"On that note," she replies, "I love him."


19 posted on 08/21/2005 8:31:51 AM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: Types_with_Fist
...Travolta says. "Do you really believe that I would stand for something like that?...

Um, yes.

20 posted on 08/21/2005 8:32:09 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'd rather hear a fat girl fart than a pretty boy sing.)
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To: Cinnamon
Cruise WANTS to know all eight "whatevers". He is SO competitive. He might be a "sweet", "great" guy but you can see the crazy behind those eyes. He can't stop. He is like the little demon girl in "The Ring"; he never sleeps.
My fear is what happens after he knows the Secrets to the Universe? Then what? What happens the next day when he wakes up and still has to go take a piss and put his pants on one leg at a time? I predict his falling out with the Hubberidians will be very messy.
21 posted on 08/21/2005 8:35:41 AM PDT by SSR1
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To: Types_with_Fist

BTTT


22 posted on 08/21/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: sharktrager
"What church do you go to..."

My religion resides within me. I don't need a church/synagogue/temple/mosque to justify my existence.  Sorry but my church can't afford a $700.000 car nor does it want to. Get the point? Actually not trying to sound sarcastic.

23 posted on 08/21/2005 8:37:20 AM PDT by sinclair (It's probably a good thing I'm not in charge of stuff.)
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To: silverleaf

LOL don't you have a job? That's a good one.


24 posted on 08/21/2005 8:40:28 AM PDT by David Schertz
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Scientology seems to put weight on their members. John Travolta, Kirsti Alley, Leah Remini. Oprah beware.
25 posted on 08/21/2005 8:41:36 AM PDT by CaptainK
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To: Types_with_Fist

Oprah to "jump the couch?"

:-O


26 posted on 08/21/2005 8:44:25 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: Types_with_Fist

Someone help me out. When was the last time a Tom Cruise film recouped its production and promotion costs. Was it "The Last Samurai"? Certainly not "Vanilla Sky" or the "Minority Report". Seems that his recent outings have been more "Far and Away" than "Jerry Maguire". Perhaps Scientology has dimmed his star power. (Love your screen name, Types!)


27 posted on 08/21/2005 8:49:10 AM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: Types_with_Fist
Actress Penelope Cruz, whom Cruise dated after his separation from Kidman, also took Scientology courses during their three-year relationship, but she, too, declined to convert - which many Hollywood insiders believe was one cause of their break-up.

That and he's gay.
28 posted on 08/21/2005 8:49:36 AM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals, like puppies, are cute to look at, but shouldn't vote...)
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To: Types_with_Fist
How anyone could adopt a religion that was the creation of a science fiction writer is utterly beyond my understanding.
29 posted on 08/21/2005 8:51:09 AM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: Types_with_Fist
"Holmes, who was previously a sweet, thoughtful, articulate young woman, now comes across as a zombie."

And that's just her acting.

30 posted on 08/21/2005 9:20:04 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Types_with_Fist
"Bella Cruise"....

Her name is Sweet ride? Beautiful Ride? She's going to need counciling over that alone.

31 posted on 08/21/2005 9:21:45 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: CaptainMorgantown

They adopt it because it appeals to their egos. Any religion that promises to reveal to you the secrets of the universe is what anyone with that much pride will go for.


32 posted on 08/21/2005 9:21:46 AM PDT by freemama
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To: silverleaf

Yes there is always electricity in the air when those two meet. If he really wants her in Scientology why doesn't he dump Katie and date Oprah?


33 posted on 08/21/2005 9:22:46 AM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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To: silverleaf

OMG...I just ruined my computer laughing.


34 posted on 08/21/2005 9:28:53 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Types_with_Fist

There is a Church of Oprah ( more profitable than Scientology). No need to convert.


35 posted on 08/21/2005 9:48:41 AM PDT by citizencon
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To: sharktrager
Oprah would never fall for it. She is convinced she is God.

LOL! You nailed it!

36 posted on 08/21/2005 10:08:08 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Dionysius; Types_with_Fist; cyborg
Someone help me out. When was the last time a Tom Cruise film recouped its production and promotion costs. Was it "The Last Samurai"? Certainly not "Vanilla Sky" or the "Minority Report". Seems that his recent outings have been more "Far and Away" than "Jerry Maguire". Perhaps Scientology has dimmed his star power. (Love your screen name, Types!)

The Last Samurai cost 170 million dollars to produce and promote (140m to produce and promote, plus 30 m in additional marketing cost), but made 111 million dollars in the US box office and 346 million dollars in the overseas market. That is a total take, in the box office alone, of 456.8 million dollars! However it should be noted that nowadays most movies make their money from DVD sales, something that the Last Samurai managed to do well enough. It is DVD sales that make the movie nowadays, exceeding the box office tallies for both flops and blockbusters. Hence not only did the Last Samurai make money at the box office, to more than recoup its costs, but it also made money in DVD sales.

As for Vanilla Sky (which I thought sucked in a rather convoluted manner) cost 115 million to make and market. It's US receipts in the box office were 100.6 million, and it also made 102.8 million in the foreign market, to make a total of 203 million dollars. Thus it got its money back and more. Add DVD sales to this and it made money.

Minority Report. This movie cost 142 million dollars to make and promote (102m to produce, 40 to promote and market). In the US box office it brought in 132 million dollars, and in the foreign box office it made 226 million bucks. A total of 358 million, and thus more than making its money back. Again, add DVD sales to this and Cruise smiles all the way to the bank (he has this weird back-end deals that make him more money than he takes home as an actor. Most of his money comes from such deals not from his actor's paycheck).

Even Far and Away made its money.That flick cost 60 million to make, and brought in 58.8 million in the US box office and 78.9 million in the foreign, to a total of 137.8 million dollars. Not that far and away I'd say.

And now take War of the Worlds, Tom Cruise's latest endeavor. That movie cost between 128-135 million dollars to make, but as of now it has made over 230 million dollars. And this is at the US box office alone, meaning that it has been profitable without having to add in the DVD sales multiplier. When the movie comes out on DVD you can expect it to make more money, and because of their 'back-end' deals Spielberg and Cruise will also have their coffers increased.

Hence I wouldn't say that Tom's star has been dimmed (although anyone who goes for that star biz needs help IMO). I'd almost say he is the most bankable star in HollyWeird at the moment. That is not to say he is not kooky like a Pomeranian in heat, but he still brings in the cash.

As for box office sales let me put it like this. Unless a movie has returns like Spiderman (whcih broke the box office in terms of the loads of money it brought in), people will say a movie failed. Particularly if certain actors are in it. Has the movie failed? Maybe it has not met expectation, but many of these 'failed' movies end up doing quite well. Take Titanic for example. That movie has made almost 2 billion dollars in the box office (the actual figure is 1,845,034,188), but it only had an opening weekend of 28 million December of 97. This made people say it had 'failed,' especially since it had cost 200 million to make (not including marketing costs, which came to about 40 million). But because it had a 28 million opening weekend people said it had failed. Close to 2 billion dollars later most of those people have since kept quiet.

37 posted on 08/21/2005 10:43:58 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
"Oprah is too smart for that."

I would disagree. The New Agers used her because of the size of her audience, and Oprah became the force that spread that movement, which is world-wide and growing rapidly. Cruise knows this and would love to turn Oprah into a mouthpiece for Scientology, which is not far-removed from the New Age movement.

38 posted on 08/21/2005 10:45:36 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: spetznaz

Has this weird back-end deals that ... = has these weird back-end deals that ...


39 posted on 08/21/2005 10:46:06 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Dionysius

I just got the latest figures for War of the Worlds. It has made 230 million in the US box office, 333 million in the foreign box office, to a total of 563 million dollars.


40 posted on 08/21/2005 10:49:15 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: pabianice
"YOU could argue that she is the most influential woman in America, not least because her daily television program reaches into the living room of almost every home in the US. ~ This guy is delusional.

He may be delusional, but not about this. Oprah's audience is HUGE. Not just in this country, but world-wide. She has become an easily-used tool.

41 posted on 08/21/2005 10:50:27 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SSR1

LMAO!


42 posted on 08/21/2005 10:53:29 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Types_with_Fist
Scientologists believe humans are an exiled race from outer space called Thetans

Bwahahahaha

43 posted on 08/21/2005 11:03:22 AM PDT by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: spetznaz

Thanks, Spetz. Eyeopening!


44 posted on 08/21/2005 3:35:53 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: Types_with_Fist
and it was there that he chose to make his first public declaration of love for his new fiancee, 26-year-old Katie Holmes, in a toe-curling spectacle.

Oh please...
45 posted on 08/21/2005 3:37:28 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Proud member of the 21st century Christian Crusaders)
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To: Types_with_Fist
Oprah might like Tom as her favorite toy but her Christian spiritual beliefs are way to strong to ever switch to the "mothership" cult.
46 posted on 08/21/2005 3:38:25 PM PDT by Quinotto (On matters of style swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CO Gal

LMAO


47 posted on 08/21/2005 3:57:02 PM PDT by Tom_Busch (I'm a victim of Rovian mind control.)
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To: Types_with_Fist; null and void
There's a twist I didn't see coming. I thought she was all enamored with goddessy, new agey eastern mysticisms.

Oprah would be a huge catch for the Scientologists, one internet site announced this week, and you can almost see Cruise's eyes gleaming at the prospect. Another adds: "If Oprah falls into the hands of Scientology, who can tell what influence she might have on the population? The prospect is terrifying."

This is much worse. Ugh. Picture all the sheeple women jumping up and down excitedly over their free copies of Dianetics and tuning in to learn about audits and such. Ugh.

48 posted on 08/21/2005 4:33:26 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I hope so. She does kind of buy into whatever new agey things her guests push, like Deepak Chopra, and Tom and John are pals of hers.


49 posted on 08/21/2005 4:34:27 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: fortunecookie

I. Don't. Want. To. Go. There.


50 posted on 08/21/2005 4:36:18 PM PDT by null and void (Be vewwy vewwy qwiet, we're hunting wahabbits...)
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