Itzlzha (and any SANE American) says ...
Hagel and Graham Look Like...
McStain's personal Sock-Puppets!
Shake McStain's hand and you will smell what Graham and Hagel had for dinner last night!
Posted on 08/21/2005 8:22:43 AM PDT by Saint Reagan
You're right Senator ...
If I recall it was because of Fat Mouth Politicians in DC ... with the help of Uncle Walter Cronkite, that was the down fall of Vietnam
So why are you Senator, trying to repeat history?
Neither do your pals, the liberals, Chuckie.
I repeat: I will NEVER vote for this guy, even if he gets the nomination.
Exactly.
And a million people died in SE Asia after we 'cut and ran'. Never forget
Ok, I'll bite. So a Republican Presidential hopeful needs to stab Bush in the back and ride the anti-war sentiment all the way to the White House? Then he can stand hand in hand with Cindy and "heal" the nation? Not.
Oh and one more thing
If I recall from my history books .. 2 1/2 years into WWII wasn't looking to good either .. The Battle of the Bulge ring a bell
But hey guess what Senator ...
We Won that war because we "Stayed the course" and FINISHED what we started
We didn't cut and run with our tail between our legs like you are suggesting, Senator
We have won the war in Iraq, Saddam is in custody, his brutal regime gone and a constitution will soon be drafted by the new democratic government. Who and what we are still fighting in Iraq are the Al Qaeda invaders and the war against terror.
If we pulled out of Iraq, Al Qaeda would take over and we'd be back to our pre-9/11 sitting duck position. In other words, the impact of 9/11 and the expulsion of Al Qaeda and the Taliban regime in Afghanistan would have meant nothing.
[It's scary when liberals talk about Vietnam, because that was when the liberal insanity first took hold.]
This is why I live in Moscow, Russia. I find it too hard to live among so many of my fellow Americans who are mostly fed on a diet that "we lost Vietnam." This pathetic bunch of self-flagellating "we lost!" people includes tons of Republicans.
Why can't Americans finally destroy the "Genesis" of the liberal Bible, the foundation on which Leftist anti-Americanism is based? We (meaning the SEATO allies including Australia and Thailand) did NOT lose the Vietnam War strategically (China surrendered to Nixon) and we only lost tactically because South Vietnam was no longer important after China's capitulation and because the Democrats betrayed our allies. Let's have Senator Allen and the President talk about that for once. So many people are telling them not to do this because they would lose "credibility." But since when is the truth something to lose credibility over??
I was upset last fall when Kerry demanded a debate over Vietnam and nobody on the Republican side wanted to take him up on it. That was pure cowardice on the part of all the Republicans. I would have had a cakewalk in a public debate with Kerry on Vietnam. And I was just a kid when he served (but I knew back then why we were fighting and how we were going to stop China no matter what - and we did).
Now that Cindy and the Dems have lost so much "credibility" and 57% of Americans are on the President's side in the current "Bitch in the Ditch" controversy (which I am mercifully not witnessing on Russian television)...maybe it is time to bring out the big guns and discuss Vietnam like grownups for once.
Two voices I identify with. I haven't read all the posts closely.
Politically, Iraq is resembling Vietnam. LBJ lost the support of two powerful Senators in his own party before the floodgates opened - Fulbright and the fellow from Oregon (can't remember his name).
There was one! Bin Laden and Al Queada declared war on us! Not Iraq? Too many connections to separate the two!
Itzlzha (and any SANE American) says ...
Hagel and Graham Look Like...
McStain's personal Sock-Puppets!
Shake McStain's hand and you will smell what Graham and Hagel had for dinner last night!
I'd like a formal declaration of war by the U.S., mobilization for it, and to stomp out the enemy (Islamo-fascism) wherever it exists. Enough "TROP" speeches and tip-toeing around mosques that harbor terrorists. Let's get back to WWII-esque propaganda and VICTORY!!
And it is ironic that I am living in the capital city of the country that spent a fortune to "win the Vietnam War"...only to go out of business within a generation because of the Pyrrhic victory.
What did the Soviet Union get from the "win"? Oh yes, a submarine base. Meanwhile my 1960s Soviet apartment finally needs the renovation it would have gotten in the 1980s if the Soviets hadn't spent $1B per year "winning" the Vietnam War. I had to break into my own bathroom via a skylight window this morning so I could kick the door open from the inside that had jammed because of 40 years of no renovations.
According to morons like Hagel...this is what "winning" looks like in reference to Vietnam. Sure...America lost big-time back in the 60s and 70s. America won prosperity but lost the media and the colleges to whackos.
That should have happened 47 months ago. Unless we're attacked again it ain't gonna happen.
They don't have the spine to stand up to terrorists
Bob Packwood or Wayne Morse?
CA....
It wasn't packwood. I gotta check.
Young victims of the attacks by Saddam and his Ba'ath forces on Halabja.
Yes, it was Morse. I had Hatfield on my brain but I see he was a Republican
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The notoriously independent Wayne Morse (1900-1974), who set a filibuster record in 1953, was first elected to the Senate as a Republican. He broke with that party in 1953, leaving Democrats and Republicans evenly divided in the Senate. Rather than allow the Democrats to take the majority, however, Morse symbolically moved his chair into the center aisle of the Senate Chamber for a day to show that he belonged to no party. Two years later, Democratic leader Lyndon Johnson persuaded Morse to join the Democratic Conference, giving Democrats a one-vote majority. Nevertheless, Morse retained his independent spirit. A decade later, after Johnson had become president, Senator Morse cast one of the two votes in Congress against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and became an unrelenting critic of the president on the Vietnam war.
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