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In the Wake of the Phoenicians: DNA study reveals a Phoenician-Maltese link
The National Geographic ^ | October 2004 | Cassandra Franklin-Barbajosa

Posted on 08/21/2005 1:38:08 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

In the Wake of the Phoenicians:
DNA study reveals a Phoenician-Maltese link

The idea is fascinating. Who among us hasn't considered our heritage and wondered if we might be descended from ancient royalty or some prominent historical figure? Led by a long-standing interest in the impact of ancient empires on the modern gene pool, geneticist and National Geographic emerging explorer Spencer Wells, with colleague Pierre Zalloua of the American University of Beirut, expanded on that question two years ago as they embarked on a genetic study of the Phoenicians, a first millennium B.C. sea empire that—over several hundred years—spread across the Mediterranean from the Levant, a coastal region in what is now Lebanon.


Photograph by Robert Clark

Looking for links between the Phoenicians and the people who live around the Mediterranean today, geneticist Pierre Zalloua of the American University of Beirut prepares to extract a tooth from a human jaw—perhaps 4,000 years old—found in a mountain cave at Raskifa, Lebanon.

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The Romans conquered the Phoenicians during the Punic Wars, destroying much of their culture. "In many ways, they've been quite enigmatic," says Wells. "We know they existed, but we know very little about them. Why did they suddenly arise and start to spread around 1200 B.C.? And what impact did they have on other peoples in the Mediterranean? We've tried to use DNA, the genetic material we all carry in our bodies, to answer those questions."

Supported by a grant from National Geographic's Committee for Research and Exploration, the scientists collected blood samples from men living in the Middle East, North Africa, southern Spain, and Malta, places the Phoenicians are known to have settled and traded. Starting with between 500 and 1,000 well-typed samples, they began looking at the Y chromosome, the piece of DNA that traces a purely male line of descent. The goal was to answer two questions: What was the impact of a group the ancient Egyptians referred to as the Sea Peoples, who apparently arrived in the Levant region about 1200 B.C. just before the Phoenician culture began to flower and expand? And can we use genetics to trace the expansion of the Phoenician empire? What the study has revealed so far, detailed in "Who Were the Phoenicians?" in the October issue of National Geographic, is compelling.

"We're not seeing a significant genetic influence from elsewhere on the coastal population in what was the Levant region," says Wells. "The people are very similar to the groups we see inland in Syria and Jordan, for example, suggesting that there wasn't a huge influx of Sea Peoples or others from outside the area. A cultural shift occurred but not a genetic one. Today's Lebanese, the Phoenicians, and the Canaanites before them are all the same people."

Wells and Zalloua are finding similar results among samples taken in Tunisia, site of ancient Carthage and the largest of the Phoenician colonies. "Less than 20 percent of the genetic lineages found could have come out of the Middle East," Wells continues. "They're showing the markers of aboriginal North Africans. That means the Phoenicians moved into this area and, like the Sea Peoples, had more of a cultural impact than a genetic one."

As DNA samples continue to be analyzed, more revelations are surfacing. "We've just received data that more than half of the Y chromosome lineages that we see in today's Maltese population could have come in with the Phoenicians," Wells says. "That's a significant genetic impact. But why?" At this point he can only speculate. "Perhaps the population on Malta wasn't as dense. Perhaps when the Phoenicians settled, they killed off the existing population, and their own descendants became today's Maltese. Maybe the islands never had that many people, and shiploads of Phoenicians literally moved in and swamped the local population. We don't know for sure, but the results are consistent with a settlement of people from the Levant within the past 2,000 years, and that points to the Phoenicians."

During the next few years, Wells and Zalloua plan to expand the sample size in the Middle East, southern Spain, and northern Africa. "I'm particularly interested in the Phoenician impact on Africa," Wells says. "We know that Phoenicians—to a certain extent—controlled the trans-Saharan trade routes from their center of Carthage. They also navigated through the Strait of Gibraltar and moved around western Africa. But how far south did they get? And did they leave a genetic trail?" The search continues.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anthropology; catastrophism; cuneiform; dna; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; malta; phoenicia; phoenicians
I don't know if this article has the same content as two similar articles that have already been posted here, but the title is different. Interesting, nonetheless!
1 posted on 08/21/2005 1:38:08 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ping. This article was sent to me by a priest from Malta.


2 posted on 08/21/2005 1:38:56 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: AdmSmith

pong


3 posted on 08/21/2005 1:48:00 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Phoenicians are closest relatives of Jews. From what I hear Hebrew and Phoenician languages/alphabets are very similar.


4 posted on 08/21/2005 1:58:01 PM PDT by A. Pole (The bottom 93 percent had experienced a 4 perc. drop in real per-capita income between 1923 and 1929)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If that is a Malta ping, add me to your list :)


5 posted on 08/21/2005 2:55:39 PM PDT by M203M4
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To: afraidfortherepublic

read later bump


6 posted on 08/21/2005 5:37:09 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thanks for the ping.

Can we expect the October issue of National Geographic to have additional details?

7 posted on 08/21/2005 6:09:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: afraidfortherepublic

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435894/posts


8 posted on 08/21/2005 6:22:38 PM PDT by Spirited
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Thanks afraidfortherepublic.

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9 posted on 08/21/2005 7:33:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Spirited

thanks Spirited for posting the link:

Blood Type History, Human Migrations (Blam Thread)
USC | July 01, 05 | Dennis O'Neil
Posted on 07/03/2005 1:47:49 PM PDT by Little Bill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435894/posts

‘I’m not Arab, I’m Phoenician’– a common phrase, but flawed concept
dailystar.com.lb | 09/02/04 | Peter Speetjens
Posted on 02/19/2004 8:44:57 PM PST by Destro
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1081677/posts

Quest for the Phoenicians (National Geographic special)
PBS | Oct 20 2004 | National Geographic
Posted on 10/17/2004 7:53:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1247854/posts

another one:

The origin of M1 mitochondrial DNA haplotype
University of Cambridge, McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research ^ | Anne Holden
Posted on 06/23/2005 8:57:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1428967/posts


10 posted on 08/21/2005 7:42:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Not too long ago I was reading that there was NO Phoenician-Maltese genetic link. It was probably Natl Geographic.


11 posted on 08/21/2005 7:46:30 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: SunkenCiv

Great links! However, that last one offers the disturbing suggestion that "paternal mitochondria do penetrate the human egg and survive for several hours;" and that mitochondria have sex, in fact may be "sexually rampant." Yikes! This would throw a lot of theory out the window.


12 posted on 08/21/2005 8:10:02 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Its not surprising that the Sea Peoples left little genetic traces inland in the Levant. The guy looking at a tooth in a mountain cave would not be likely to find traces of the Sea Peoples.

My guess is they populated only those cities which had excellent seaports. Think of the foreign enclaves in China in the 19th century. Although the enclaves tended to be largely European, the merchants and seamen certainly had some sexual interaction with the native Chinese, but genetically it would be a drop in the bucket compared to the general population.


13 posted on 08/21/2005 8:22:40 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: M203M4

I don't have a Malta list, but I'll try to remember your screen name in case my priest friend sends me any more articles.


14 posted on 08/21/2005 8:22:48 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Graymatter

The mystery is that a lot of theory got thrown in the window in the first place. ;')


15 posted on 08/21/2005 8:23:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Went to Malta once in the mid '60's, Valetta, I think. About all I remember was that it was dry there.


16 posted on 08/21/2005 8:25:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

This was October 2004 and there must have been a number of articles about the Phoenicians in there. There were a number of titles that turned up on Free Republic using the search function -- although none about Malta.

My husband said he knew a worker from Malta when he was offshore in the "oil-bidness" 30 years ago. He said the guy was nuts; said he acted like a crazy Arab. After reading this article, now he knows why! (Hope I didn't offend any Maltese or Arabs with that remark. It was just a joke.)

35 years ago we had a Maltese priest assigned to our Parish in California. He was very nice and was a very accomplished musician. He told us that there were so many priests in his village that all of the new priests were sent overseas to work for the first few years. I wish I could remember his name.


17 posted on 08/21/2005 8:30:31 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Graymatter

My priest friend, who sent this article to me originally, told me that the Maltese language and the Lebanese language have the same roots. The main difference is that the Lebanese write using Arabic lettering, while the Maltese use Roman lettering. He said the structure was the same.


18 posted on 08/21/2005 8:33:56 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ping this for later reading. Very interesting. I am RH negative but was given a shot after my first child was born which made me not a threat to my next child.


19 posted on 08/21/2005 10:36:49 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Herodotus's account refers to a faint memory from 1000 years earlier, and so may be subject to question (History, I:1):

"According to the Persians best informed in history, the Phoenicians began to quarrel. This people, who had formerly reached the shores of the Erythraean Sea, having migrated to the Mediterranean from an unknown origin and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria..."

20 posted on 08/21/2005 10:48:11 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: A. Pole

I believe the Phoenicians spoke a Semitic language. And -- as I learned in a linguistics course in grad school some 20 years ago -- the alphabet (as opposed to other writing systems such as the Chinese pictograms or Japanese syllabary) was invented only once: if the Phoenicians didn't develop it (in which case the developers are lost to history), they at least must be given credit for spreading it. Obviously, it went through changes and adaptations as it spread.


21 posted on 08/22/2005 2:09:13 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Patrick_k; GipperGal; lebinmtl

Phoenician ping!


22 posted on 08/22/2005 2:40:03 AM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Berosus; 75thOVI; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; CGVet58; chilepepper; ckilmer; Eastbound; ...

"Sea Peoples" ping.


23 posted on 08/22/2005 5:33:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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there is room to speculate as to the question of whether the phonencians/caananties were related to the old Hebrews.

Seems to me that I have seen maps of the mesopotamian empires of around 2000 BC that show their boundaries going to modern israel and lebanon.

There are a number of archelogical digs going on currently in Israel which are aimed at settlements of this period. The most important one I think, is at Hazor.
http://unixware.mscc.huji.ac.il/~hatsor/index.html
The reason, in part, these digs are important is because the boundaries of these the mesopotamian empires of the third millennium bc +- coincide with the migration of Abraham.

the suggestion is that while abraham moved west from UR he did not move outside of the political boundaries of which UR was a part.

speculation.

the caananites could well have been a related people to the jews. Therefor, the caananites could have originated in Mesopotamia. certainly when abraham did NOT sacrifice Issac he was going against caananite custom.

later when the old hebrews in the age of kings +-1000 bc-589bc wanted to go native they didn't gobble the gods of the philistines who are said to be greek people. rather they sacrificed their children and put up temples on the mountain tops--as was the custom of the caananites.

anyhow, I'm just speculating.


24 posted on 08/22/2005 6:28:55 AM PDT by ckilmer
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Except for Laish (Dan), Hazor is the only Palestinian settlement mentioned among the 25,000 cuneiform tablets that compose the royal documents of Mari or Tell Hariri located in modern Syria. Most of these documents connect with the reign of Zimri-Lim, a contemporary of the powerful King Hammurapi of Babylon in the 18th century BCE. So far, there are seven tablets related to Hazor. One of them reveals that Canaanite Hazor was so important that King Hammurapi saw convenient to place two ambassadors there. Other tablets associate Hazor with the trade of tin, for before the revolutionary introduction of iron, tin was essential for the manufacture of bronze weapons.
Scripture Summary
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Joshua destroyed and burned the city of Hazor following his victory over the league of northern Canaanite cities at the "waters of Merom" (Joshua 11:1-11).
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Hazor was assigned to the tribal territory of Naphtali (Joshua 19:36).
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Deborah delivered Israel from the oppression of Jabin, King of Hazor and his general Sisera (Judges 4-5).
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Solomon rebuilt Hazor and fortified it (I Kings 9:15).
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The city of Hazor was captured and destroyed for the last time by the Assyrian king Tiglath-pileser III in 733 BCE (II Kings 15:29).

Strategically located to control the point where trade routes from the north, east and west joined to enter northern Canaan, it is no wonder that, in its heyday, Hazor covered more than 225 acres (making it more than twice the size of Megiddo) and its population numbered close to 40,000.

Texts from Mari (dated to the 18th century BCE) reveal that Hazor had close political and economic ties with Mesopotamia. One text refers to an ambassador of the great lawgiver, Hammurabi, as resident at Hazor, while another mentions Hazor's role in the trade of tin. From the time of the Egyptian New Kingdom (the beginning of the powerful Middle Kingdom 18th Dynasty) until the time of Rameses II, Hazor was a major military objective of those pharaohs who campaigned in Canaan.

http://www.bibarch.com/ArchaeologicalSites/Hazor.htm


25 posted on 08/22/2005 6:56:48 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: A. Pole

Ok this is news to me. Would not one need the DNA of a Phoenician in order to discover where the Phoenician would be today???

This DNA science is very very very interesting.


26 posted on 08/22/2005 6:58:50 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Neato.


27 posted on 08/22/2005 7:57:47 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: A. Pole

The languages/alphabets are. Hebrew, Phoenician and Greek are all very similar. Arabic came later but is very similar to Hebrew as well.

There was a theory a while back that Phoenicians were Jews, but that was quickly disproven. They were pagan, but some close to Israel converted to Judaism.

Genetically, I don't know if there is a difference between Jews and Phoenicians but I would imagine that there is. Still, we shall wait and see with that.


28 posted on 08/22/2005 8:00:02 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: ckilmer

quibble:

Palestinian

s/b

Canaanite


29 posted on 08/22/2005 8:46:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

quibble:

Palestinian

s/b

Canaanite
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this is not what I'm suggesting. if this dna stuff is correct then likely the maltese are much closer to being of the original caananite stock than anyone else in the region.Why because they displaced the people before and there havn't been many other peoples around who came in and wholesale mingled with them. if you look into the faces of palestinians you see that they're as much/bigger hodgepodge of different peoples than are the israelis.


30 posted on 08/22/2005 10:17:22 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Palestinian isn't an ancient designation, which is what I thought you were talking about.

The Maltese have their own language, not sure what group it's in. Could be a hybrid tongue of some sort, a mixture of Italian, Arabic, Latin, Greek, and whatever else was around. The Maltese Republic has two official languages, Maltese and English, and many Maltese reportedly speak Italian, and some Arabic and whatnot.


31 posted on 08/22/2005 10:06:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
"There was a theory a while back that Phoenicians were Jews, but that was quickly disproven."

Of course. Jews are Jews. Phoenicians cannot be Jews. Phoenicians are related to and may be Israelites. Not all Israelites accepted the teachings of Moses. Particularly the northern tribes, which included the region of Phoenicia.

David and Solomon both took wives from Sidon. Lebanon was famous for cedar. I believe the boats were cedar, thus could carry more cargo, sail further and weather the storms without breaking apart.

So, Phoenician or Israeli....probably not a dimes worth of difference.
32 posted on 08/24/2005 7:48:37 PM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea! I still get my news from FR!)
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Interesting. ;)


33 posted on 08/25/2005 8:32:30 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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This was one of *those* topics, but has been pinged, so this is just an update.
 
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