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How will an Islamic rule in Iraq benefit the US?

Posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:37 AM PDT by thorlock

I am an independent and have become uneasy about what is happening in Iraq. The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other. What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists. I realize this was not our goal, but the reality is our policy there has created a situation that does exactly the opposite of what we wanted.

How does this benefit the US?


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1 posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:38 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock

Welcome to FR.


2 posted on 08/22/2005 5:14:51 AM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: thorlock

I am definitely IBTZ


3 posted on 08/22/2005 5:15:49 AM PDT by Bahbah (Air America: kids-for-kilowatts)
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To: thorlock; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; Old Sarge; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; glock rocks; ...
Sniff...

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4 posted on 08/22/2005 5:15:51 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: thorlock

This isn't that oil company thread again? IBTZ


5 posted on 08/22/2005 5:17:29 AM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: Bahbah

Awww... shucks... The Iraqis haven't even finished drafting a Constitution and the Left is out in force to be the first to break the story.


6 posted on 08/22/2005 5:18:02 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: thorlock

7 posted on 08/22/2005 5:18:18 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (9-11 Commission - The largest CYA Operation in history!)
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To: thorlock

Signed up today - bye!


8 posted on 08/22/2005 5:18:55 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: thorlock
How will an Islamic rule in Iraq benefit the US?

It won't.
Next to outright losing the shooting war to the terrorists and their islamic supporters, this is the worst possible outcome.!

9 posted on 08/22/2005 5:20:05 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: darkwing104

Please add me to the death list.


10 posted on 08/22/2005 5:21:34 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: satchmodog9
done.

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11 posted on 08/22/2005 5:23:21 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Publius6961

I agree, I was hoping someone could come up with a benefit. Sure they might democratically chose to let the islamofacists rule, so it is their choice.

Not what I had in mind after 9/11.


12 posted on 08/22/2005 5:24:55 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock

Welcome to Free Republic.

13 posted on 08/22/2005 5:31:06 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (Eva Peron + Chappaqua = Hillary Clinton)
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To: thorlock; darkwing104

Click here for assistance

14 posted on 08/22/2005 5:33:12 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: thorlock
The great irony of the current situation in Iraq is that you have an Iranian Shiite theocracy materially supporting the Sunni (triangle) militants and terrorists who are killing Iraqi Shiites (as well as Coalition Forces). The reason for this is that most Iraqi Shia currently support the (Iranian born) Shia cleric Ayatollah Al Sistani. Sistani is opposed on theological grounds to the attempted hijacking of Shia Islam by the Iranians. Only the Muqtada Al Sadr Shia faction is favorably disposed to the Iranians.

Sooner or later, as the Iraqi Army is "stood up", and the US presence is "drawn down", there will come a day of reckoning, when the Iranians will be forced to show their hand. They may even attempt to assassinate Al Sistani, but if their fingerprints are on the attempt, they risk losing all support within the Iraqi Shia community. In any event, the Iranians will be forced to choose between the Iraqi Shia and the Sunni terrorists. At that point it will hardly matter whether Iraqi is nominally an "Islamic" country or not. Personally, I think there will be civil war, with a Shia and Kurdish alliance versus the Sunnis. Both Al Qaeda and the Iranians will be relatively minor players in that contest.

15 posted on 08/22/2005 5:35:26 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Bahbah
What's IBTZ?

Let's not step into the fun house hall of mirrors.
Many would argue that if you were to ask Adolph Hitler for the time and he responds, we need to reinvent the clock, lest we associate time in some way with the Nazis.

Even a stopped clocked is right twice a day, and, yes, DUmmies can accidentally draw a correct conclusion from current events.

16 posted on 08/22/2005 5:37:37 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Publius6961
What's IBTZ?

In Before the Zot :)

17 posted on 08/22/2005 5:39:00 AM PDT by Bahbah (Air America: kids-for-kilowatts)
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To: thorlock
"...our policy there has created a situation that does exactly the opposite of what we wanted"


- What brings you to open a FR account today?
- Has there never been a FR thread that wasn't anti-Bush which made a "conservative" like you post a comment before?
- Why start today to post this as your own thread?

When you're set upon by a pack of rabid dogs, you don't try to figure out which one bit you last and you can't know which will bite you next. You start destroying every one of them in the order opportunity presents you.

18 posted on 08/22/2005 5:41:37 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Bahbah
In Before the Zot :)

I'm having trouble keeping up with tribal knowledge...

19 posted on 08/22/2005 5:41:49 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: drpix
When the development of events starts pointing at a very probable undesireable result, it's not "negative" to point it out.
We may have a lot of kool aid drinkers about, but let's not become ostriches ourselves.
20 posted on 08/22/2005 5:44:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: drpix

What brings me to FR? I want opinions on the events in Iraq.
How am I anti-Bush? I am anti-islamofascists ruling Iraq. Aren't you?


21 posted on 08/22/2005 5:44:56 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: pawdoggie; All

Sorry, you have set up a straw man. Looks like a lot of folks have fallen for the same thing, though. Not because you set it up...they fell for it independently of you. Islamofascist rule is not what is being haggled over for the Constitution. That is, unless country's like Turkey are also ruled by Islamofascists?

I have read and heard that this is a typical arrangement in Islamic countries...ie...where Islam is the majority religion. Islamic law is said to be the primary source of their laws. But in practice, it is not usually administered in such a severe fashion as in Iran or as under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The true radicalism you fear is not to be found in this approach, but rather in countries like Iran where radical Islamic clerics rule the country. Literally, rule by clerics is the definition of such a to-be-feared Islamic state. Our side in Iraq has in no way signed off on such an Iranian/Taliban like state.

Learn it or leave it (this topic), please. You are just adding to the confusion that is already rampant on the subject.


22 posted on 08/22/2005 5:46:05 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: pawdoggie

Please forgive...I meant to post to thorlock.


23 posted on 08/22/2005 5:47:24 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: thorlock; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists.

Your premise is unsupported, and is (more than anything) simply a liberal trollish talking-point. That is unless you have something concrete (and empirical) to submit as evidence...

24 posted on 08/22/2005 5:48:27 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: thorlock

Please see # 23. I posted it in error to pawdoggie when I meant to post it to you.


25 posted on 08/22/2005 5:48:51 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

"You are just adding to the confusion that is already rampant on the subject."

My goal is to clear up the confusion. You wish that I just blindly accept what we are doing?


26 posted on 08/22/2005 5:51:27 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: mhking

The womens rights issue in Iraq. Women are being forced to cover up in public or face the consequences. Sounds exactly like Saudi Arabia.

A secularly controlled government would not do this.


27 posted on 08/22/2005 5:54:24 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock
When it comes to Iraq, I have only one question...

"What would Douglas MacArthur do?"

Would he have negotiated with Al Sadr, or killed him?

Would he have permitted even a hint of Sharia "law" to infect Iraq?

When you look at WWII and its aftermath, you see how much softer we are today. From FDR's commonsense internment orders based on the ethnicity of our enemies, to our post-9/11 searches of elderly Chinese women in airports. From MacArthur's personal crafting of the Japanese laws, to the U.S. sitting back and allowing Iraq to do whatever it likes.

28 posted on 08/22/2005 5:54:33 AM PDT by montag813
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To: thorlock
My goal is to clear up the confusion.

Your goal?...You asked us!

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.

29 posted on 08/22/2005 5:55:56 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

To clear up MY confusion.


30 posted on 08/22/2005 5:58:08 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock
The womens rights issue in Iraq. Women are being forced to cover up in public or face the consequences. Sounds exactly like Saudi Arabia.

A secularly controlled government would not do this.

Empirical evidence please. Where is your assertion supported?

31 posted on 08/22/2005 6:04:18 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: txrangerette

When the U.S. constitution was written up slavery was legal and women did not have the right to vote. On those two counts the Iraqi constitution is already ahead of the game. Personally I'm not at all worried about Islamic law (ala the Taliban or the Ayatallahs) being written into the constitution - no way that is going to happen in my opinion. If their constitution guarantees basic human rights, fair trials, the right to vote for all citizens, it will be far ahead of what pretty much any other ME country (other than Israel) has in spite of imperfections.


32 posted on 08/22/2005 6:05:03 AM PDT by Avenger
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To: mhking

Thanks for the voice of informed reason...I felt so alone. LOL (See my post # 23)


33 posted on 08/22/2005 6:05:07 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: thorlock

Read my post number 23 else stop posting your diatribes to me. In my post I explain that that is NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING. I trust you can read, although I have seen no evidence of it thus far.


34 posted on 08/22/2005 6:07:31 AM PDT by txrangerette
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH19Ak02.html

It's not about Islamic rule?
I think you are incorrect about this.
That is exactly what it's about.


35 posted on 08/22/2005 6:18:45 AM PDT by thorlock
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH19Ak02.html

*****

Sami Moubayed is a Syrian political analyst.

A Syrian political analyist pontificating about Sharia law.

That doesn't sound very empirical to me.

Do you have an empirical source for your assertions, or are you truly the troll that you are coming across as?

36 posted on 08/22/2005 6:23:40 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: Avenger; All

We seem to foget that around here...


37 posted on 08/22/2005 6:26:10 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: mhking

No, I don't have empirical evidence. I have never been to Iraq. I was once in Saudi Arabia.

The information I have comes from news sources.


38 posted on 08/22/2005 6:27:59 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock; Publius6961
Why no prior posts thorlock? When this country is facing its greatest threat since WWII, why do you choose to ask just one skewed question. What questions don't you ask? Here's just a few:

- Would leaving Saddam in power - with what we know of the Oil-For-Food UN corruption - have benefited the US?
- Would pulling out of Iraq now benefit the US?
- Why did Osama's and al Qaida declare solidarity with Saddam's Iraq years before the current war?

There are many more. They have been asked before and answered by others on FR far better than I could. BUT you never saw fit to enter those discussions nor to bring them into this discussion. Why? Does thorlock have an agenda that compelled him to open an account and post this thread today?.

Publius6961, you've been on FR long enough to know the situation the US was in long before the current war. You've seen threads on FR, where those who want the US to win this war on terrorism ask ALL THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.

There is nothing to be gained by debates with those who drink the Kool-aid - and certainly not with those who make the Kool-aid. They are only interested in the propaganda war.

Let's save the discussion of US problems in waging the anti-terrorist war to another HONEST THREAD without those who glory in our every setback.

39 posted on 08/22/2005 6:28:01 AM PDT by drpix
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To: thorlock
"The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other"

Having opposing views is what brings in a constitution.

What they had before was comparable to DNC/MSM collusion/facism.
40 posted on 08/22/2005 6:29:31 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: Preachin'; All

We also had problems when our Constitution was brought in..


41 posted on 08/22/2005 6:32:18 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: KevinDavis

"We also had problems when our Constitution was brought in.."

Because of lawyers and judges, we continue to have them.


42 posted on 08/22/2005 6:34:21 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: thorlock
Sir, it won't.

Goodbye.


43 posted on 08/22/2005 6:35:26 AM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: darkwing104
Hey darkwing... I love a good zot. Will you put me on the ping list?

Sir Hirohoto will be most pleased...


44 posted on 08/22/2005 6:37:50 AM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: All

Why don't I ask the other questions? Because I am satisfied with the answers.

This question nags me. Sorry if I don't fit into your world view of what a Bush supporter should be. I am not here to do anything more than make sense out of what is going on in Iraq.


45 posted on 08/22/2005 6:38:59 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock

" Sure they might democratically chose to let the islamofacists rule, so it is their choice. "

You sound like someone doiing a bad parody of what the left thinks a conservative would say.


46 posted on 08/22/2005 6:39:52 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: thorlock

"My goal is to clear up the confusion."

What confusion would that be?


47 posted on 08/22/2005 6:40:46 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: darkwing104

Please add me to your VK/ZOT ping list.

Thanks!


48 posted on 08/22/2005 6:41:41 AM PDT by confederacy of dunces (Don't forget the cheese!)
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To: thorlock

"The information I have comes from news sources."

The troops over there are P.O'd with the news services because the news services are not being honest.
That about says it all.


49 posted on 08/22/2005 6:42:05 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: thorlock
Don't be afraid to ask questions. The fact you are still here shows we may abusive at times but we like a good debate.


50 posted on 08/22/2005 6:42:21 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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