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Posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:37 AM PDT by thorlock
I am an independent and have become uneasy about what is happening in Iraq. The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other. What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists. I realize this was not our goal, but the reality is our policy there has created a situation that does exactly the opposite of what we wanted.
How does this benefit the US?
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I am definitely IBTZ
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This isn't that oil company thread again? IBTZ
Awww... shucks... The Iraqis haven't even finished drafting a Constitution and the Left is out in force to be the first to break the story.
Signed up today - bye!
It won't.
Next to outright losing the shooting war to the terrorists and their islamic supporters, this is the worst possible outcome.!
Please add me to the death list.
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I agree, I was hoping someone could come up with a benefit. Sure they might democratically chose to let the islamofacists rule, so it is their choice.
Not what I had in mind after 9/11.
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Sooner or later, as the Iraqi Army is "stood up", and the US presence is "drawn down", there will come a day of reckoning, when the Iranians will be forced to show their hand. They may even attempt to assassinate Al Sistani, but if their fingerprints are on the attempt, they risk losing all support within the Iraqi Shia community. In any event, the Iranians will be forced to choose between the Iraqi Shia and the Sunni terrorists. At that point it will hardly matter whether Iraqi is nominally an "Islamic" country or not. Personally, I think there will be civil war, with a Shia and Kurdish alliance versus the Sunnis. Both Al Qaeda and the Iranians will be relatively minor players in that contest.
Let's not step into the fun house hall of mirrors.
Many would argue that if you were to ask Adolph Hitler for the time and he responds, we need to reinvent the clock, lest we associate time in some way with the Nazis.
Even a stopped clocked is right twice a day, and, yes, DUmmies can accidentally draw a correct conclusion from current events.
In Before the Zot :)
- What brings you to open a FR account today?
- Has there never been a FR thread that wasn't anti-Bush which made a "conservative" like you post a comment before?
- Why start today to post this as your own thread?
When you're set upon by a pack of rabid dogs, you don't try to figure out which one bit you last and you can't know which will bite you next. You start destroying every one of them in the order opportunity presents you.
I'm having trouble keeping up with tribal knowledge...
What brings me to FR? I want opinions on the events in Iraq.
How am I anti-Bush? I am anti-islamofascists ruling Iraq. Aren't you?
Sorry, you have set up a straw man. Looks like a lot of folks have fallen for the same thing, though. Not because you set it up...they fell for it independently of you. Islamofascist rule is not what is being haggled over for the Constitution. That is, unless country's like Turkey are also ruled by Islamofascists?
I have read and heard that this is a typical arrangement in Islamic countries...ie...where Islam is the majority religion. Islamic law is said to be the primary source of their laws. But in practice, it is not usually administered in such a severe fashion as in Iran or as under the Taliban in Afghanistan.
The true radicalism you fear is not to be found in this approach, but rather in countries like Iran where radical Islamic clerics rule the country. Literally, rule by clerics is the definition of such a to-be-feared Islamic state. Our side in Iraq has in no way signed off on such an Iranian/Taliban like state.
Learn it or leave it (this topic), please. You are just adding to the confusion that is already rampant on the subject.
Please forgive...I meant to post to thorlock.
Your premise is unsupported, and is (more than anything) simply a liberal trollish talking-point. That is unless you have something concrete (and empirical) to submit as evidence...
Please see # 23. I posted it in error to pawdoggie when I meant to post it to you.
"You are just adding to the confusion that is already rampant on the subject."
My goal is to clear up the confusion. You wish that I just blindly accept what we are doing?
The womens rights issue in Iraq. Women are being forced to cover up in public or face the consequences. Sounds exactly like Saudi Arabia.
A secularly controlled government would not do this.
"What would Douglas MacArthur do?"
Would he have negotiated with Al Sadr, or killed him?
Would he have permitted even a hint of Sharia "law" to infect Iraq?
When you look at WWII and its aftermath, you see how much softer we are today. From FDR's commonsense internment orders based on the ethnicity of our enemies, to our post-9/11 searches of elderly Chinese women in airports. From MacArthur's personal crafting of the Japanese laws, to the U.S. sitting back and allowing Iraq to do whatever it likes.
Your goal?...You asked us!
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To clear up MY confusion.
A secularly controlled government would not do this.
Empirical evidence please. Where is your assertion supported?
When the U.S. constitution was written up slavery was legal and women did not have the right to vote. On those two counts the Iraqi constitution is already ahead of the game. Personally I'm not at all worried about Islamic law (ala the Taliban or the Ayatallahs) being written into the constitution - no way that is going to happen in my opinion. If their constitution guarantees basic human rights, fair trials, the right to vote for all citizens, it will be far ahead of what pretty much any other ME country (other than Israel) has in spite of imperfections.
Thanks for the voice of informed reason...I felt so alone. LOL (See my post # 23)
Read my post number 23 else stop posting your diatribes to me. In my post I explain that that is NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING. I trust you can read, although I have seen no evidence of it thus far.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH19Ak02.html
It's not about Islamic rule?
I think you are incorrect about this.
That is exactly what it's about.
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Sami Moubayed is a Syrian political analyst.
A Syrian political analyist pontificating about Sharia law.
That doesn't sound very empirical to me.
Do you have an empirical source for your assertions, or are you truly the troll that you are coming across as?
We seem to foget that around here...
No, I don't have empirical evidence. I have never been to Iraq. I was once in Saudi Arabia.
The information I have comes from news sources.
- Would leaving Saddam in power - with what we know of the Oil-For-Food UN corruption - have benefited the US?
- Would pulling out of Iraq now benefit the US?
- Why did Osama's and al Qaida declare solidarity with Saddam's Iraq years before the current war?
There are many more. They have been asked before and answered by others on FR far better than I could. BUT you never saw fit to enter those discussions nor to bring them into this discussion. Why? Does thorlock have an agenda that compelled him to open an account and post this thread today?.
Publius6961, you've been on FR long enough to know the situation the US was in long before the current war. You've seen threads on FR, where those who want the US to win this war on terrorism ask ALL THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
There is nothing to be gained by debates with those who drink the Kool-aid - and certainly not with those who make the Kool-aid. They are only interested in the propaganda war.
Let's save the discussion of US problems in waging the anti-terrorist war to another HONEST THREAD without those who glory in our every setback.
We also had problems when our Constitution was brought in..
"We also had problems when our Constitution was brought in.."
Because of lawyers and judges, we continue to have them.
Goodbye.
Sir Hirohoto will be most pleased...
Why don't I ask the other questions? Because I am satisfied with the answers.
This question nags me. Sorry if I don't fit into your world view of what a Bush supporter should be. I am not here to do anything more than make sense out of what is going on in Iraq.
" Sure they might democratically chose to let the islamofacists rule, so it is their choice. "
You sound like someone doiing a bad parody of what the left thinks a conservative would say.
"My goal is to clear up the confusion."
What confusion would that be?
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"The information I have comes from news sources."
The troops over there are P.O'd with the news services because the news services are not being honest.
That about says it all.
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