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How will an Islamic rule in Iraq benefit the US?

Posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:37 AM PDT by thorlock

I am an independent and have become uneasy about what is happening in Iraq. The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other. What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists. I realize this was not our goal, but the reality is our policy there has created a situation that does exactly the opposite of what we wanted.

How does this benefit the US?


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To: drpix

What brings me to FR? I want opinions on the events in Iraq.
How am I anti-Bush? I am anti-islamofascists ruling Iraq. Aren't you?


21 posted on 08/22/2005 5:44:56 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: pawdoggie; All

Sorry, you have set up a straw man. Looks like a lot of folks have fallen for the same thing, though. Not because you set it up...they fell for it independently of you. Islamofascist rule is not what is being haggled over for the Constitution. That is, unless country's like Turkey are also ruled by Islamofascists?

I have read and heard that this is a typical arrangement in Islamic countries...ie...where Islam is the majority religion. Islamic law is said to be the primary source of their laws. But in practice, it is not usually administered in such a severe fashion as in Iran or as under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The true radicalism you fear is not to be found in this approach, but rather in countries like Iran where radical Islamic clerics rule the country. Literally, rule by clerics is the definition of such a to-be-feared Islamic state. Our side in Iraq has in no way signed off on such an Iranian/Taliban like state.

Learn it or leave it (this topic), please. You are just adding to the confusion that is already rampant on the subject.


22 posted on 08/22/2005 5:46:05 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: pawdoggie

Please forgive...I meant to post to thorlock.


23 posted on 08/22/2005 5:47:24 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: thorlock; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists.

Your premise is unsupported, and is (more than anything) simply a liberal trollish talking-point. That is unless you have something concrete (and empirical) to submit as evidence...

24 posted on 08/22/2005 5:48:27 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: thorlock

Please see # 23. I posted it in error to pawdoggie when I meant to post it to you.


25 posted on 08/22/2005 5:48:51 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

"You are just adding to the confusion that is already rampant on the subject."

My goal is to clear up the confusion. You wish that I just blindly accept what we are doing?


26 posted on 08/22/2005 5:51:27 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: mhking

The womens rights issue in Iraq. Women are being forced to cover up in public or face the consequences. Sounds exactly like Saudi Arabia.

A secularly controlled government would not do this.


27 posted on 08/22/2005 5:54:24 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock
When it comes to Iraq, I have only one question...

"What would Douglas MacArthur do?"

Would he have negotiated with Al Sadr, or killed him?

Would he have permitted even a hint of Sharia "law" to infect Iraq?

When you look at WWII and its aftermath, you see how much softer we are today. From FDR's commonsense internment orders based on the ethnicity of our enemies, to our post-9/11 searches of elderly Chinese women in airports. From MacArthur's personal crafting of the Japanese laws, to the U.S. sitting back and allowing Iraq to do whatever it likes.

28 posted on 08/22/2005 5:54:33 AM PDT by montag813
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To: thorlock
My goal is to clear up the confusion.

Your goal?...You asked us!

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.

29 posted on 08/22/2005 5:55:56 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

To clear up MY confusion.


30 posted on 08/22/2005 5:58:08 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock
The womens rights issue in Iraq. Women are being forced to cover up in public or face the consequences. Sounds exactly like Saudi Arabia.

A secularly controlled government would not do this.

Empirical evidence please. Where is your assertion supported?

31 posted on 08/22/2005 6:04:18 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: txrangerette

When the U.S. constitution was written up slavery was legal and women did not have the right to vote. On those two counts the Iraqi constitution is already ahead of the game. Personally I'm not at all worried about Islamic law (ala the Taliban or the Ayatallahs) being written into the constitution - no way that is going to happen in my opinion. If their constitution guarantees basic human rights, fair trials, the right to vote for all citizens, it will be far ahead of what pretty much any other ME country (other than Israel) has in spite of imperfections.


32 posted on 08/22/2005 6:05:03 AM PDT by Avenger
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To: mhking

Thanks for the voice of informed reason...I felt so alone. LOL (See my post # 23)


33 posted on 08/22/2005 6:05:07 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: thorlock

Read my post number 23 else stop posting your diatribes to me. In my post I explain that that is NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING. I trust you can read, although I have seen no evidence of it thus far.


34 posted on 08/22/2005 6:07:31 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: All

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH19Ak02.html

It's not about Islamic rule?
I think you are incorrect about this.
That is exactly what it's about.


35 posted on 08/22/2005 6:18:45 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH19Ak02.html

*****

Sami Moubayed is a Syrian political analyst.

A Syrian political analyist pontificating about Sharia law.

That doesn't sound very empirical to me.

Do you have an empirical source for your assertions, or are you truly the troll that you are coming across as?

36 posted on 08/22/2005 6:23:40 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: Avenger; All

We seem to foget that around here...


37 posted on 08/22/2005 6:26:10 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: mhking

No, I don't have empirical evidence. I have never been to Iraq. I was once in Saudi Arabia.

The information I have comes from news sources.


38 posted on 08/22/2005 6:27:59 AM PDT by thorlock
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To: thorlock; Publius6961
Why no prior posts thorlock? When this country is facing its greatest threat since WWII, why do you choose to ask just one skewed question. What questions don't you ask? Here's just a few:

- Would leaving Saddam in power - with what we know of the Oil-For-Food UN corruption - have benefited the US?
- Would pulling out of Iraq now benefit the US?
- Why did Osama's and al Qaida declare solidarity with Saddam's Iraq years before the current war?

There are many more. They have been asked before and answered by others on FR far better than I could. BUT you never saw fit to enter those discussions nor to bring them into this discussion. Why? Does thorlock have an agenda that compelled him to open an account and post this thread today?.

Publius6961, you've been on FR long enough to know the situation the US was in long before the current war. You've seen threads on FR, where those who want the US to win this war on terrorism ask ALL THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.

There is nothing to be gained by debates with those who drink the Kool-aid - and certainly not with those who make the Kool-aid. They are only interested in the propaganda war.

Let's save the discussion of US problems in waging the anti-terrorist war to another HONEST THREAD without those who glory in our every setback.

39 posted on 08/22/2005 6:28:01 AM PDT by drpix
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To: thorlock
"The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other"

Having opposing views is what brings in a constitution.

What they had before was comparable to DNC/MSM collusion/facism.
40 posted on 08/22/2005 6:29:31 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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