Skip to comments.Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta
Posted on 08/22/2005 4:13:55 PM PDT by neverdem
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Well they found Monica's blue dress so there is always hope.
When you read COVERUP, imagine a TADUMMMMM in the background. :-}
The Pentagon has no vested interest in uncovering the data linking Able Danger and Atta. That's why Lt. Col. Shaffer needs documentation, or additional credible witnesses to step up to the plate ... otherwise this goes nowhere.
You bet Qalinton knew about Atta and he also could have targeted Ohsama several times and would not...But how much of this info was passed to Bush....
MY guess as to why the Republican committee members are so weak is for 2 reasons...they were picked by congresscritters, (who are notoriously chicken, IMHO)...
AND, since none of these Senators LIKE to go out limb, they probable didn't trust Bush enough to think that he would come out unscathed...and maybe thought they were doing Bush a favor by picking INEPT commissioners so the TRUTH could stay hidden , if necessary..
sounds like they had a late night shredding party
It sure does. I can't think of any other rational explanation. While the fact that someone in government knew Atta was already here would cause ripples it wouldn't have caused a tidal wave. If proof emerges that they covered up the fact that Atta had been ID'd, bar the door Katie.
I thought O'Reilly tried, but wasn't sufficiently informed... and he seemed to defer to Gordon. Pulled his punches.
I would have asked Gordon to justify Gorelick's presence on the commission. Gorelick's surreal presence on the 911 commission investigating Gorelick's Justice Department, a maneuver that effectively removes from the universe of witnesses a central witness, Gorelick, even as it uniquely positions a central player, Gorelick, to directly shape the commission's conclusions. (Is there any question which two people are responsible for Gorelick's insertion on the commission?) Conversely, that it never occurred to anyone on the commission that Gorelick's flagrant conflict of interest renders her presence on the commission beyond farce calls into question the commission's judgment if not its integrity. Washington's mutual protection racket writ large, I suspect....
REASON 1: MISSUS CLINTON HIRED JAMIE GORELICK
WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?
Gorelick's surreal presence on the 911 commission investigating Gorelick's Justice Department, a maneuver that effectively removes from the universe of witnesses a central witness, Gorelick, even as it uniquely positions a central player, Gorelick, to directly shape the commission's conclusions. (Is there any question which two people are responsible for Gorelick's insertion on the commission?)
Conversely, that it never occurred to anyone on the commission that Gorelick's flagrant conflict of interest renders her presence on the commission beyond farce calls into question the commission's judgment if not its integrity. Washington's mutual protection racket writ large, I suspect....
Ever notice that when a lefty gets caught in a lie or exposed in a debate, they always revert to the "it's too complicated" statement?
Translation; you are not as smart as me, you don't/can't understand what I understand.
Sheer arrogance, along with the dishonesty.
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the numbers & email addees.
Who you gonna believe, Washington politicians in full cover mode or Military Officers? I know whom I believe, Anchors Aweigh baby. Get em boys!!
"They aren't going to be able to unscramble an egg soon. I believe it's reached a point to where the genie can't be put back into the bottle. It's growing daily."
Now no one is going to nail you on that statement.
I heard there were a dozen of these guys or so. Seems we will be treated to a parade of them, perhaps one a week, until this story reaches critical mass.
Right now, I suspect the bureaucrats are figuring out how to handle this when it does break.
No..they'll just blame the Pentagon and never mention that it was during Clinton's watch...it will somehow be Bush's fault
"The big question is, why is the New York Times printing stories that may prove immensely damaging to their politics? It's totally out of character."
Good question. Track the MSM on a timeline marked by 11/2004. By 11/2004, everthning they said was a lie. Since then, they have much more truth. They are building credibility so they can lie more effectively in 2006, 2008.
I noticed that too, or do you think they are packing their bags for france?
The Navy Captain knows that the NY Times is the "paper of record", so he gives them the story. If they don't print it, he gets a two-fer, i.e. he gives the story to another media outlet and claims that the NY Times wouldn't print it.
As bad as it is, the NY Times isn't that stupid.
Lt. Col is an O-5, isn't a Navy Captain a pretty high rank?
"Yeah? Well Slate Gorton says Shaffer is a liar. So Philpott must be lying to."
And the people who put together "Inside 9/11" for National Geographic, and their sources must be lying, too? They have a segment in their documentary concerning intelligence officers at McDill Air Force Base had a chart with pictures of Mohammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi on it.
Who is Dr. Cambone?
Thanks for the date of Weldon's speech.
There is one thing that has always bothered me about 9/11, and this Able Danger business only compounds my problem:
German intelligence had both Atta and his roomate Binalshib under surveillance for some time because of their connection to some real bad guys in Europe. Atta visited Spain on January 1, 2001, and tehn July 8, 2001. In the second visit he arrived from Zurich, rented a car and then took off for Taragona, where he met Binalshib. German intelligence warned Spanish intelligence of Binalshib's arrival. Binalshib travelled under a Yemeni passport, Atta under an Egyptian passport in his own name. The Spanish apparently lost Atta from the 9-13 July 2001, they caught up to him on the night of the 13 through the 15th where he stayed and the San Jordi Hotel. On the 16th Benalshib returns to Hamburg. The next day Atta returns the car he rented in Madrid and in which had driven more than 1,000 miles. He takes a Delta flight, arriving in Atlanta and then transferring to a flight to Fort Lauderdale. Now:
My question is this: If German and Spanish intelligence services were following Atta and seemed to know what he and Benalshib were up to in Europe, why didn't the CIA know it? Or if they did, why didn't they pass the info to the FBI? The wall of separation? I wonder if the 9/11 people investigated this?
It sounds like he put his country before his career.
Even more the Navy Captain. Very very few outright wackos make it to O-6. Even more interesting is this little tidbit, which could give lie to the notion that this was a confusion with another Mohammed Atta (also a terrorist).
Representative Weldon also arranged an interview with a former employee of a defense contractor who said he had helped create a chart in 2000 for the intelligence program that included Mr. Atta's photograph and name.
The former contractor, James D. Smith, said that Mr. Atta's name and photograph were obtained through a private researcher in California who was paid to gather the information from contacts in the Middle East. Mr. Smith said that he had retained a copy of the chart for some time and that it had been posted on his office wall at Andrews Air Force Base. He said it had become stuck to the wall and was impossible to remove when he switched jobs.
A chart that occupies one or more walls is first of all a working document. The chart allows the various teams which are building a system to define where they fit in and to take down information. It's a waste to save the original.
I think they are great to define large computer systems. Only rarely did we make an effort to copy and shrink one to 3 or 4 feet wide and X feet long to save.
Why would Able Danger ever need to do that? They'll never find that original wall chart.
Once the Able Danger folks walked the users (i.e., the intelligence personnel) through the "how and what" why keep the chart? They had the names and other information that they needed. Besides the automated data mining was maybe kind of ad hoc to help Able Danger analysts.
They may (emphasis on may) find source code and files of extracted raw data used to piece together the wall chart. I suppose they should find intelligence documents but they will not likely prove how the information was got.
If someone says they need the original wall chart, they're lying and covering up, IMO.
Good question. The Germans warned the Spanish when he went to Spain. It stands to reason the Spanish warned the CIA when he came to the US.
Sorry to say, but no corroborating documents = no story.
According to Google, his position is Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. According to Shaffer, he briefed Cambone on the Able Danger program before Shaffer went public with his story. I assume he had to give Cambone assurance that he wouldn't disclose anything classified.
One step down from one star Admiral.
Mr. Di Rita said in an interview that while the department continued to investigate the assertions, there was no evidence so far that the intelligence unit had come up with such specific information about Mr. Atta and any of the other hijackers.That is very heavily qualified denial.
The weed out rate from O-6 to O-7 is pretty steep anyway. He's already about one grade higher than most officers can reasonably hope to get in a career.
Weldon delivered a chart to the White House after the Bush Administration took over. No one there seems to have ever seen it. The key to all this is Weldon who seems perfectly assured that he has the goods.
To get to the bottom of this is going to require getting into Sandy Berger's pants. Any volunteers?
I don't doubt that segments were copied either directly or from notes and memory.
When I think of wall charts I mean wall. We used six-foot wide paper obtained from a paper mill that in some cases reached around a large room. Of course I have no idea about the size of the Able Danger chart.
Pretty decent. They did mention the ID of Atta. Actually Part II is ongoing now, for another 50 minutes. It will replay at 9 PDT (11 CDT, 12 EDT) , IIRC. National Geographic channel.
They want to damage the Pentagon and the military.
If he taped it to the wall with regular, not "magic" cellophane tape, that does tend to form a pretty strong bond, stronger than the paper, after not all that long. Anyone who's ever been in an office or cube for a goodly period, and taped stuff to the walls, knows this. Double sided tape, or the old trick of making a loop of regular tape with the sticky side out, can be even worse.
Does no corroborating docs = no story apply to JOE WILSON? He didn't file a written report upon his return from Niger.
Look at the NY Post. A conservative and patriotic tabloid, but if a conservative politician screws up the Post is on them like white's on rice. Remember it was the Times alone among the MSM that gave credence to Whitewater. In the end with a newspaper, it's about the story. Why? that most unliberal trait and value, competition. The MSM TV networks don't compete. They're like Ford, GM, And Chrysler were in the 50s and 60s. happy to divide the market. Newspapers, even in different cities, judge themselves against their peers. The Times considers itself the Casey Stengel Yankees. If there is a story here the Times will go with it.
A Navy Captain is an O-6, equivalent to an Army Colonel.
"Does no corroborating docs = no story apply to JOE WILSON?"
No. It only applies to stories that are negative to Dems. Stories negative to GOP never need docs.
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