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BEST PLACES TO LIVE
MSN House & Home ^ | 8/22/05 | MSN

Posted on 08/22/2005 9:54:18 PM PDT by txrangerette

"Here are today's Best Places to Live, as presented in the book, "Cities Ranked and Rated", by Bert Sperling and Peter Sander, published by John Wiley.

Here are Sperling and Sander's top picks for livability:

Charlottesville, Virginia ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Corvalis, Oregon"

(Excerpt) Read more at houseandhome.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Oregon; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: charlottesville; corvalis; topten
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"For a complete ranking of all 331 metropolitan areas, visit Sperling's Best Places,

http://www.bestplaces.net/

or find "Cities Ranked and Rated" at your local bookstore."

Comment: Go to the MSN page to find the cities ranked 2 - 9 on the list. I didn't want to give them all away. Take a guess as to which cities measure up, and which areas of the country are most represented. They have what they consider objective criteria. Do you think they nail some, and miss others? What would be YOUR top ten picks? (Personal note: Something is wrong. Not a single Texas city made their list of top ten! Have not yet gone to the 331 ranked cities to see where the first Texas city shows up and which one it is...)

1 posted on 08/22/2005 9:54:19 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

Here is an actual link to the site, Sperling's Best Places, for the rankings of 331 metropolitan areas...

http://www.bestplaces.net/


2 posted on 08/22/2005 9:59:27 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

Atlanta?!!!

Pffft.


3 posted on 08/22/2005 9:59:37 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: SteveMcKing
Atlanta?!!! Pffft.

Yeah Atlanta. You may not know this, but cities are far more than just their downtown area. The city of Atlanta proper only makes up about 10% of the Atlanta metro area's population.

Look up Alpharetta sometime.

4 posted on 08/22/2005 10:02:53 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: txrangerette

Charlottesville sucks. Don't move here -- you'd hate it:)


5 posted on 08/22/2005 10:03:05 PM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: SteveMcKing

What would you replace Atlanta with, that is not now on their list? Just curious. And why not Atlanta? I have never been there, btw.


6 posted on 08/22/2005 10:03:51 PM PDT by txrangerette
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Golly, I can't believe that Santa Fe, NM is #2.... Or even #100.

You couldn't pay me to live there again.... Heck, even Madrid and Cerrillos have lost their charm due to all the yuppies, "artistes", hippies and other assorted leftists that have been flocking there in droves for the last 25 years. (Same thing with Taos.)


7 posted on 08/22/2005 10:04:04 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Cosmo

Ok (not that I would move to Charlottesville), but what exactly is wrong with it? I love geography, btw...


8 posted on 08/22/2005 10:05:45 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: nutmeg

bookmark bump


9 posted on 08/22/2005 10:06:41 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: txrangerette

I hear Atlanta is bad for crime...


10 posted on 08/22/2005 10:07:15 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: LegendHasIt

I have heard bad things about Reno, NV, although I think people are still flocking there. A friend of mine left there for Ft. Worth a couple of years ago. She was very glad to get away. Do you know anything about it?


11 posted on 08/22/2005 10:08:41 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

Heck, Birmingham, AL has almost every shopping and dining option that ATL has, identical weather, with less than half the crime, a third of the traffic, and nearly none of the OVERBEARING homo presence.

Atlanta in the top ten? Atlanta in the top 50 is a joke.


12 posted on 08/22/2005 10:08:41 PM PDT by jra
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To: JeffAtlanta

I have family in Lawrenceville, which is an Atlanta suburb. It seems a great place to live. It's nice, new, lots of shopping, and near a major city for jobs.

Traffic is another story.


13 posted on 08/22/2005 10:11:56 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: jra

Have heard some good things about the Birmingham area. Just a thought...perhaps the overwhelming homosexual presence in Atlanta is exactly why the choosers chose Atlanta over Birmingham. Maybe to them, it is a plus! (Merely a wild guess, I hope they don't sue me for speculating this way...:o) )


14 posted on 08/22/2005 10:12:16 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

Ummm.....too many people movin' here cuz they read about it in a magazine:)


15 posted on 08/22/2005 10:15:46 PM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: txrangerette

#1 place to live: Oildale, Ca


16 posted on 08/22/2005 10:16:19 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: txrangerette
8. Asheville, NC Asheville is situated at the foot of the Great Smoky Mountains, the highest part of the Appalachian Range. A low cost of living and affordable housing (median home price $202,100) offset the area's low measure of diversity and unremarkable economy.

They are evidently referring to economic diversity. Asheville ain't what it used to be since the rainbow people discovered it.

17 posted on 08/22/2005 10:19:50 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: jra
Heck, Birmingham, AL has almost every shopping and dining option that ATL has, identical weather, with less than half the crime, a third of the traffic, and nearly none of the OVERBEARING homo presence.

It's an Alabama and Tennessee trait to compare Birmingham and Knoxville to major cities and think that they stack up. It's embarrassing when I visit my old hometown on the GA/TN/AL border and hear them spout off such ignorant nonsense.

Birmingham has nothing to compare to Buckhead or Midtown. I would be interested in comparing the crime statistics as well.

18 posted on 08/22/2005 10:20:01 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: txrangerette

Atlanta is big. That's about all I can say for it. I guess it's better than DC if that helps.


19 posted on 08/22/2005 10:21:42 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: All

I just went to the Sperling site and found the list of 331 ranked cities. Was just very curious about Texas cities...

WELL!!!

Bryan/College Station ranks #13 on their list, followed by Austin/San Marcos at #22 and Abilene(YAY!) at #32.

(Don't tell them, but they would change the Abilene ranking if they visited MY neighborhood. Meaning, it would plummet so fast and hard you would not believe...)


20 posted on 08/22/2005 10:23:20 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: SteveMcKing
I hear Atlanta is bad for crime...

It is the crime capitol of the world.

The surrounding area is very nice though, but downtown Atlanta has turned into a dump.

21 posted on 08/22/2005 10:26:18 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: bkepley
Atlanta is big. That's about all I can say for it. I guess it's better than DC if that helps.

Ever think that it's big and GROWING for a reason? There is a reason why cities like Atlanta, Miami, Houston and Dallas are big and still growing.

22 posted on 08/22/2005 10:27:10 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
Atlanta aint a real city. Just a bunch of sprawling suburbs with an office park in the middle.

New York and Chicago are the only two real cities in the United States, in a global sense. Every place else is either sprawling McSuburb or hicksville, and I don't use those terms pejoratively.

23 posted on 08/22/2005 10:29:01 PM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: JeffAtlanta

We all have our preferences.


24 posted on 08/22/2005 10:29:14 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: ntnychik

Ping!!


25 posted on 08/22/2005 10:29:18 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: JeffAtlanta

You just blew all your credibility when you mentioned Knoxville in the same sentence as Birmingham...LOL.

As far as Buckhead and Midtown are concerned, BHM has Five Points South, which is more night clubby--as well as Lakeview, which gets the professionals.

What is contradictory is that you slam the other poster for assuming that ATL is nothing more than its downtown area, but then you brag about Buckhead and Midtown.

I've previously lived in both BHM and ATL--so I'm speaking from a position of authority--and I'd like to hear someone who KNOWS try to name anything (other than the Braves) that could convince me to move to ATL over BHM...


26 posted on 08/22/2005 10:31:57 PM PDT by jra
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To: JeffAtlanta

LOL.

The two best things you can mention to sell Atlanta are:

1. It's big.

2. It's not just big, it's getting bigger.

To my mind, you just named off the two best reasons NOT to live there.

I'll pass.


27 posted on 08/22/2005 10:33:28 PM PDT by jra
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To: Clemenza
Atlanta aint a real city. Just a bunch of sprawling suburbs with an office park in the middle.

Atlanta is the 9th largest media market in the country.

We in the Atlanta metro area are proud of our city but we aren't ignorant or naive enough to think that it compares to New York, Los Angeles or Chicago.

Those who live in Alabama are deluding themselves if they think that Birmigham can compare to Atlanta. Gwinnett county, one county in suburban Atlanta offers more culture, dining and economic power than any city in Alabama.

28 posted on 08/22/2005 10:35:06 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: txrangerette

Anyone know anything about Dubuque, IA?


29 posted on 08/22/2005 10:35:16 PM PDT by micawber20
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To: JeffAtlanta

Well don't keep us in suspense! What's the reason????
They love to sit in traffic? They love paying big bucks for overpriced housing? They are nuts? Tell me!!!!


30 posted on 08/22/2005 10:38:50 PM PDT by derllak
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To: derllak

Don't forget crime-riddled neighborhoods lorded over by corrupt city government.

Must be the fact that it's close to Six Flags.


31 posted on 08/22/2005 10:40:40 PM PDT by jra
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To: jra
What is contradictory is that you slam the other poster for assuming that ATL is nothing more than its downtown area, but then you brag about Buckhead and Midtown.

How is that contradictory? Neither Buckhead nor Midtown are in downtown Atlanta. The poster (maybe you) tried to act like Birmingham offered comparable dining and culture to Atlanta. That is just ignorant. Try to keep up.

I mention Knoxville as when I worked for the TVA the Tennessee people exhibited the same small minded, ignorant attitude for Knoxville as those in Alabama do for Birmingham. I remember at one point an engineer had just returned from Hong Kong and most of the people tried to act like Knoxville had everything if not more than Hong Kong did.

I'm very familiar with Birmingham and you give it too much credit. Five Points south is size of one block of night live in an Atlanta suburb, much less Midtown or Buckhead.

You certainly don't speak from any position of authority. You didn't like Atlanta and a small town like Birmingham is more your speed. Good for you. You are in the minority though.

32 posted on 08/22/2005 10:42:00 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta; jra

Ya'll can fight over Atlanta and Birmingham all ya'll want.

I prefer Nashville.

And I know Atlanta and Birmingham well.

Besides, let's get real....this ratings list is incredibly PC.

Diversity?

Do any FReepers really think about that?

I though that PC knee bending was something folks here were against.





33 posted on 08/22/2005 10:44:12 PM PDT by wardaddy (thinking.....)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Been to Auburn, Phenix City and Mobile. Can't say I thought much of the state, although 'Bama has some friendly people. Reminds me of Central Pennsylvania without the Mennonites and with different accents (Y'all instead of Yunz).

I rate Atlanta above Houston yet below Denver for liveability. I personally need to be near a seacoast.

34 posted on 08/22/2005 10:44:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: derllak
Well don't keep us in suspense! What's the reason????

The economic opportunity and the very affordable housing. There is a band of upper middle class wealth that stretches from Marietta, through Roswell, Alpharetta, Duluth, Suwannee and Lawrenceville that most country bumpkins that just drive through Atlanta to attend the SEC championship game just don't know anything about.

Place that the country bumpkin Atlanta experts have listed as Atlanta hallmarks are places that people who live here rarely even go.

35 posted on 08/22/2005 10:45:49 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: micawber20

Not personally do I know anything about Dubuque, IA, but it is ranked #311 out of 331 cities. Sorry if you were looking for better news. A number of other IA cities were ranked way above it.


36 posted on 08/22/2005 10:46:16 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: bkepley
We all have our preferences.

Then tell that to those who are calling my home a dump.

37 posted on 08/22/2005 10:47:38 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Clemenza

I'll take Hicksville, every time. Where I live isn't on the list (too small), but the three largest cities in my state are. I wouldn't live there (I have lived in one of them) on a bet, too big!


38 posted on 08/22/2005 10:47:44 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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To: micawber20

What would you like to know?


39 posted on 08/22/2005 10:50:43 PM PDT by KimmyJaye (Susan Estrich: A face for radio and a voice for pantomime.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

I loved Atlanta. We're talking about long-term livability.

I won't waste the energy to cut and paste my post, but if you disagree with the fact that Birmingham has almost every shopping and dining option that Atlanta has, then you are showing your ignorance. There may not be a Louis Vuitton or some of the Phipps-type boutiques, but that's why I posted 'almost'. Having said that, I could live to be 101 and never lose a wink of sleep if I never get to shop at Coach or Tiffany.

You probably can't name a single dining theme or cuisine that is available for the average person to visit in ATL that BHM doesn't have.

Take a breath, Sparky...don't get your feelings hurt, okay? Would you be happier at the kid's table, sweetie?

LOL

This thread (my posts included) has gotten ridiculous. Goodnight.


40 posted on 08/22/2005 10:52:12 PM PDT by jra
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To: jra

Birmingham is a hole.


41 posted on 08/22/2005 10:52:20 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: wardaddy

Yes, there seemed to be an element of PC, but other criteria seemed more objective. A whole range of elements were considered, apparently, to make up the rankings. (I don't vouch for them, btw. I report, you decide.)

Now if you look at the extended list of all 331 cities, Abilene, TX is #32. That is pretty darned good. And I can assure you, Abilene, TX is as un-PC as it is possible to get.

Of course, the top ten are the ones that get ALL the publicity, so it's a wash, I would say.


42 posted on 08/22/2005 10:52:38 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: wardaddy
Diversity? Do any FReepers really think about that? I though that PC knee bending was something folks here were against.

It's a subjective ranking in a magazine. It's not a big deal.

Regardless, while forced diversity is terrible, natural diversity is something that makes living in a major city very pleasurable.

It is nice to go to an event and not just be surrounded by a bunch of white people. We, like most larger cities, have an Asia town which is incredible. The food is incredible and the people are the truly interesting.

The various cultural festivals are also very enjoyable and really add some spice to life.

43 posted on 08/22/2005 10:54:00 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: txrangerette
The results from this outfit called Sperlings are highly questionable.

Colorado Springs is ranked 18th. I live in the Springs. Great place to call home. At #20 is Pueblo. I would never call Pueblo the 20th best place to live in America. Never! I also find the #7 ranking of Atlanta to be an outrage.

Who owns Sperlings? George Soros!

44 posted on 08/22/2005 10:54:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

If someone (other than you) has called it that, I'd like to see it.

You're getting too revved up about some silly rankings list.

Okay, so you like Atlanta. Good for you. Don't forget to take your meds.

Again, Goodnight.


45 posted on 08/22/2005 10:54:20 PM PDT by jra
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To: wardaddy
Why aren't Jackson, MS, Newark, NJ or Flint, MI on the list?

I think Seattle didn't make it because, despite its leftist politics, the city is 72% White and the suburbs even whiter.

46 posted on 08/22/2005 10:54:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: txrangerette
i don't need to see any list. i live in the best place in the world.

NYC, baby. N-Y-C.

47 posted on 08/22/2005 10:56:28 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: Chunga

Mmmkay.

Cheers.


48 posted on 08/22/2005 10:56:45 PM PDT by jra
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To: Cosmo
Liberalism is for girls.

How about girlie boys?

49 posted on 08/22/2005 10:58:02 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: jra
I won't waste the energy to cut and paste my post, but if you disagree with the fact that Birmingham has almost every shopping and dining option that Atlanta has, then you are showing your ignorance. There may not be a Louis Vuitton or some of the Phipps-type boutiques, but that's why I posted 'almost'. Having said that, I could live to be 101 and never lose a wink of sleep if I never get to shop at Coach or Tiffany.

Lot's of fallacies there. By your logic, I could say that Atlanta has "almost" the same shopping and dining options as New York or Los Angeles and I'd be correct.

The fact is no where close. YOu like it and that is fine - we all have our likes and dislikes. What is silly is when a person has to make up things to make their home sound better.

50 posted on 08/22/2005 10:58:32 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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