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Snowbird Jet Crashes in Ontario
Canadian Press via www.canada.com ^ | August 24, 2005 | Canadian Press staff

Posted on 08/24/2005 6:52:53 PM PDT by NorthOf45

Snowbird jet crashes in Ont.

Canadian Press
August 24, 2005

THUNDER BAY, Ont. (CP) -- A jet from the storied Snowbirds aerobatics squadron fell from the sky Wednesday while making its way to an air show in this northern Ontario city, crashing in a rural field just seconds after its pilot ejected safely.

The Department of National Defence said Capt. Andy Mackay, Snowbird 8, was treated in hospital for undisclosed injuries and released.

"Our main focus at the moment is Capt. Andy Mackay's well-being," said Maj. Ian McLean, commanding officer of Canadian Forces Snowbirds.

Witness accounts of the crash suggest the plane plummeted suddenly.

"I saw one of the planes immediately turn towards the ground and go at a very high speed directly at the ground and disappear," witness Scott Dougall told CKPR radio in Thunder Bay.

"After that I saw a puff of smoke come up from the ground, and I also saw a parachute at about 5,000, 6,000 feet in the air. It looked like somebody had ejected and the plane crashed into the ground."

An organizer for the air show, called Thunder in the Air, said the plane crashed just before the show was to start at 5:30 p.m. ET. The event was cancelled just 10 minutes later when it was announced that a plane had crashed.

Local resident Dennis Trevisanutto Jr., who was standing on the deck of his home when he saw the crash, said he rescued the pilot after he saw the parachute descending.

"I was standing on the deck and I saw the plane going over and we heard ... a loud explosion," he told Thunder Bay radio station CJUK.

"And I looked out and I could see him parachuting down into the woods. So I thought I'd take a ride over there and see if I could find him or pick him up.... (I) ended up wandering around in the bush there and I spotted him, and he seemed to be OK."

"When I first saw him I asked if he was OK, and he said yes and said his engines failed."

Trevisanutto drove Mackay, 39, of Orleans, Ont., to Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre.

The air show had been scheduled to take place at Marina Park, by the city's downtown harbour on the northern shore of Lake Superior.

A concert that had been scheduled to follow the event went on as planned.

The Snowbirds are next scheduled to perform in St. Catharines, Ont., on Saturday and Sunday, but it was not immediately known if the shows would be cancelled.

They are also slated to fly at the Canadian International Air Show in Toronto on Labour Day weekend.

The accident is certain to prompt renewed concerns about both the safety and the value of the internationally renowned Snowbirds, who are marking their 35th anniversary this year.

Defence Minister Bill Graham wouldn't say whether Wednesday's crash will endanger the future of program.

"Until we know exactly what happened, it's very difficult to evaluate the risk factors that was in there," he said from Ottawa.

"It's too early to give the cause. We're still trying to ascertain that."

The jets the Snowbirds fly, Canadair CT-114 Tutors, are more than 30 years old. The last one came off the assembly line in 1966 -- before most of the pilots were born.

However, the pilots have defended the program, saying the aircraft are safe and the shows they put on are part of the Canadian cultural fabric.

The last time there was a crash during an air show in Canada was on July 10 in Moose Jaw, Sask., when two American stunt pilots died after their biplanes collided before 20,000 horrified spectators.

The last crash of a Snowbird occurred on Dec. 10, 2004, when Capt. Miles Selby died in a fiery collision with colleague Capt. Chuck Mallet during a training session just south of their Moose Jaw home base. Mallet survived the accident.

The team is comprised of Canadian Forces pilots.


TOPICS: Canada; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; planecrash; snowbirds; tutor
Damn, this will give the libs added ammo for getting rid of the Snowbirds. They represent Canada exceptionally well and deserve new jets ... not pink slips.
1 posted on 08/24/2005 6:52:56 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: Clive; GMMAC; fanfan

Snowbird Ping


2 posted on 08/24/2005 6:53:28 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Glad no one was hurt, now for the hack....was that half of your air force? (you just want to smack me).


3 posted on 08/24/2005 7:06:24 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: NorthOf45

Yes, they need some F-16's instead of those toys they are forced to fly.


4 posted on 08/24/2005 7:08:22 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Feelings are not a tool of cognition, therefore they are not a criterion of morality." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: NorthOf45

Can't you guys use F18's. I know you used to use them, I have a special model painted up for a given Canadian Air Wing, unit escapes me at the moment. I downloaded to fly in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002. It was mostly maroon red, with some orange and yellows in the tail etc..


5 posted on 08/24/2005 7:09:58 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Was it something like this?


6 posted on 08/24/2005 7:20:50 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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2 (Canadian) Snowbirds crash in Saskatchewan

Graham defends rescue response time in Snowbird crash

7 posted on 08/24/2005 7:28:34 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Marine_Uncle

Operating costs for the Tudor are a lot lower than for the Hornet.


8 posted on 08/24/2005 7:29:59 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NorthOf45

No. Found a readme file on the model I fly. The top part of body is a deep red, the belly and half up the sides is a light grey. The tail has a gold head of a mountain lion with mouth wide open.

McDonnell-Douglas/Boeing CF-18/A Hornet

(4 Wing) 410 Squadron 'Cougars' 50th Anniversary Hornet
Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) Air Demonstration Aircraft
CAF #188749


9 posted on 08/24/2005 7:38:50 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Dashing Dasher

Ping


10 posted on 08/24/2005 7:43:03 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why are we "freepers"? Shouldn't we be "freereps"? Are we dyslexic?)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Ah, this one ...


11 posted on 08/24/2005 7:44:02 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: A.A. Cunningham

"Operating costs for the Tudor are a lot lower than for the Hornet."

Understand, but hell imagine the extra heart throb when they go vertical pushing the throttle completely forward! Then again perhaps the thrust/weight ratio on the Tudor's allow for dramatic enough displays! Come to think of it I may have downloaded a Tudor. I have so many aircraft original and modified I seldom fly most of them anymore. To many different cockpit schemes to have to get re-familiarized with. So I just fly F18/F16/occasional F15 and some Boeing commerical aircraft and perhaps a Beech Craft Barron etc..


12 posted on 08/24/2005 7:44:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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Tutor


13 posted on 08/24/2005 7:45:40 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NorthOf45

If you took the verticle strips out and changed the red to more of a maroon (deeper less flashy red), and a little different Cougar head on tail where it was all solid gold yea.
It looks close. Of course the modeler may have not did a exact replica of the paint job, so perhaps this is the one.


14 posted on 08/24/2005 7:47:35 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

"Tutor"

Roger that. Am looking at a picture of the Snowbird birds right now.


15 posted on 08/24/2005 7:51:41 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I have always seen it as "Tudor" but a google search turns up plenty of each.


16 posted on 08/24/2005 7:53:09 PM PDT by steve86 (<)
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To: NorthOf45

I thought this was about a plane full of old people headed to Arizona. My apologies!


17 posted on 08/24/2005 7:53:59 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: NorthOf45

I saw the Snowbirds perform at the 2004 air show in Ft. Lauderdale. They're absolutely amazing and put on a great show. Canada should be proud.


18 posted on 08/24/2005 7:54:28 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("Kittens give Morbo gas.")
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To: BearWash

"I have always seen it as "Tudor" but a google search turns up plenty of each."

Thats what I thought to but as you indicated a google search on Tutor also shows the Snowbird team pictures.


19 posted on 08/24/2005 7:55:52 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Understand, but hell imagine the extra heart throb when they go vertical pushing the throttle completely forward!

Heart throbs don't count for much for a country with a very small defense budget.

Snowbirds


20 posted on 08/24/2005 7:57:40 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Marine_Uncle
Understand, but hell imagine the extra heart throb when they go vertical pushing the throttle completely forward!

Not quite vertical, however ...


21 posted on 08/24/2005 8:03:46 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: A.A. Cunningham

"Heart throbs don't count for much for a country with a very small defense budget."

I know, as I meantioned the F18, that came to mind. Ya gotta do with what you got. I am sure you two posters are damn proud of your military. I know you wish it was much more then the socialist raped down, but you have a proud history stand tall.
Semper Fi.


22 posted on 08/24/2005 8:07:53 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: NorthOf45

Sorry to sound gross, but that give me a real hardon! High performance military jets are prettier then pretty women!
Well maybe I better be carefull there!
Semper Fi


23 posted on 08/24/2005 8:10:07 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: NorthOf45
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i always loved the canopy painted on the bottom. makes you look an extra second longer, and in the air... that could be a lifetime!!!
24 posted on 08/24/2005 8:20:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: A.A. Cunningham; BearWash; Marine_Uncle
"Tudor"

Might not be the CF-18, but better than the Four-Door. ;-)

25 posted on 08/24/2005 8:32:10 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

" Might not be the CF-18, but better than the Four-Door. ;-)"

I'm sure they can smoke when not going to vertical.


26 posted on 08/24/2005 8:52:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Larry Lucido

I heard.


27 posted on 08/24/2005 9:14:19 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (What's the use of happiness? It can't buy you money. ~Henny Youngman)
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To: Marine_Uncle
CF-18's would be cool but I'm not sure they could
pull of 9 plane formations safely in those. If they ever
replace them they will probably go the the trainer jets used in Canada. They are nicknamed mini F-18's but I can't
remember the actual name. Cool planes though.
28 posted on 08/24/2005 9:23:51 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: Marine_Uncle

Oh, I got it. CF 155 Hawk.

http://www.airforce.forces.ca/equip/ct-155/hawk1_e.asp


29 posted on 08/24/2005 9:27:57 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: NorthOf45

Out of gas?


30 posted on 08/24/2005 9:31:57 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: recce guy

"Cool planes though."
Yes they are definetly cool looking aircraft.


31 posted on 08/24/2005 10:15:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: recce guy

Do the Blue Angels perform a 9 plane formation?


32 posted on 08/25/2005 4:44:22 AM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45
I've only seen their show once and it was with
4 planes. I may be wrong but I think the Snowbirds
are one of the only teams in the world performing with
9 planes.
33 posted on 08/25/2005 7:40:18 AM PDT by recce guy
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To: Marine_Uncle
I'm not a Canuck.


34 posted on 08/25/2005 8:47:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NorthOf45
The Blue Angels currently have 11 jets: Numbers 1 through 6, 2 two-seat (#7) jets and 3 spare jets. The show is flown with six, plus the KC-130 Fat Albert. #7 is a two seat B that's used to give demo rides to the press, etc.


35 posted on 08/25/2005 9:25:20 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for your service Marine. How many years?
Assume you where stationed at Cherry Point.


36 posted on 08/25/2005 9:49:29 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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