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The Watts Riots, Burned Into Memory -- Roger Wilkins replies (or tries) to John McWhorter
Washington Post ^ | August 23, 2005 | Roger Wilkins

Posted on 08/25/2005 2:56:18 PM PDT by nicollo

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A lot has to do with perceptions or "frames of reference." If you were Black in Birmingham or Jackson or Selma in 1965, you pretty much expected nothing from the police or local government or White society. If you lived in a Northern city like Detroit or Philadelphia your expectations would be higher: you had the vote, and politicians and the police ought to give your concerns the same respect as those of other citizens. If you lived in Los Angeles or Oakland, your expectations were higher still, and not so very different from those of local Whites. The different environment has a lot to do with what happened. Whether you want to attribute it to specific people or the times or the culture of the place is up to you.

I don't think Watts was the first riot of its kind. While the earliest race riots involved Whites attacking Blacks, Harlem had already seen disturbances of the sort that erupted in Los Angeles in 1965. The problem with debates about deeper causes, is that the most relevant factor was the behavior of the police. In general, you don't need massive programs or large scale changes to prevent such riots. You just have to make sure the police are well-equipped to deal with disturbances and do their job fairly and effectively without sparking such outbreaks.

21 posted on 08/25/2005 5:49:49 PM PDT by x
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I like your review of expectations. Certainly so. When the team is down by 40 points in the 4th quarter, there's little hope. When they're down by 14, or 3, the fight is up, and the dissappointment all the worse if it doesn't work out. Still, that's no excuse.

See these:

NY Times headline search for "Harlem riots" (results = 1870-1974)

The Root of the Trouble (editorial, Jul 23, 1964)

The headlines show your list of riots, racial or otherwise, in Harlem over the years. In each, police behavior is cited as a cause, and, as far as I can tell from the survey of headlines, absolved in the specific in hearings and reviews. The '64 editorial gives that year's problems to, in ascending order of importance, radicals, police, and poverty. Call me naive, but I'm thinking that the role of the police is far more reactive than causal.

I think it all rather affirms McWhorter's view that the radicalization of the civil rights movement did nothing to resolve the crises, and that the crises were less drastic than presumed by apologists of the riots. Certaintly, everyone agrees that better economic conditions were the fundamental cure. McWhorter seems to say that that solution was well on the way prior to 1968, and was halted, so far as the inner city goes, by the welfare state. Wilkins punts when he takes on McWhorter on this point:

...And Watts and the explosions that followed helped fuel a conservative backlash that undermined the massive effort needed to address the problems it exposed.

The Watts legacy is not about tinkering with welfare policy. As the Kerner Commission warned us 2 1/2 years after the riots (a warning soon to be all but forgotten), the problem comes from a place deep inside the American soul. The profound damage done to unlucky blacks trapped in poverty and to whites trapped in indifference or bigotry will still require an enormous amount of sustained American will and decency to correct. That is the real legacy of Watts.
He's kidding himself. You think he could learn anything from Booker Washington?
22 posted on 08/25/2005 7:30:20 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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Was Washington's a valid premise?


23 posted on 08/25/2005 7:31:11 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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What do you mean? I may have answer but I don't understand what you mean by valid premise?


24 posted on 08/25/2005 7:33:30 PM PDT by cyborg (Hillary nixed in 2006!)
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Sorry, my question related to LS's description of Washington's vision for the advance of his race. LS wrote,
Washington's view was that blacks couldn't indefinitely rely on the whims of whites, either to protect them or to ensure their economic stability. Through education---especially farming and technical education---he thought blacks could become self-sufficient until white society accepted them.

25 posted on 08/25/2005 7:47:10 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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I agree with Washington and thought he had an interesting selection. Ex-slaves and their immediate relations would know something about farming and machinery, esp.farming so there was a base already. I'll have to give this thread a read through. That was an interesting newspaper you posted btw. Have you ever read Black Conservative by George Schuyler? Good stuff.


26 posted on 08/25/2005 7:50:57 PM PDT by cyborg (Hillary nixed in 2006!)
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Black Conservative by George Schuyler

Haven't seen it. Goes on the list. Thanks!

27 posted on 08/25/2005 8:01:43 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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Marcus Garvey hated him with a passion. Kinda like Dick Gregory hates modern black conservatives. These exchanges are as old as the hills.


28 posted on 08/25/2005 8:08:08 PM PDT by cyborg (Hillary nixed in 2006!)
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I can't recall what started the Watts riots. It was a hot summer and that's about all it takes to start a riot in L.A.


29 posted on 08/25/2005 8:25:33 PM PDT by lakey
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Thanks for the ping.

Interesting read. I wonder what the final results of this debate will be. I suspect a liberal victory in the short term, a conservative victory in the long term. The only way for the blacks to raise themselves up is to teach their children to help themselves. And there's enough of them waking up to realize that, along with a few good conservative values people who've been there all along. Furthermore, the cultural attachment to religion (at least in the older individuals) I believe will ultimately serve the entire community very well.

I predict that the crisis of the family will deepen first within the black community, then begin to gradually improve over a period of two or three decades once the problem reaches critical mass.


30 posted on 08/25/2005 10:19:14 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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Like any approach, it was partly correct. It was true that blacks could achieve some degree of economic equality without full political equality---but eventually, as long as there are laws on the books prohibiting groups of people from selling to other groups, prohibiting the renting to some groups, or frequenting the same establishments, not to mention the right of voting so that you can CHANGE those laws, no, economic achievement alone wasn't going to solve the blacks problems. King was right, too.


31 posted on 08/26/2005 5:47:19 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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