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The Inequality Taboo by Charles Murray
commentary ^ | September 2005 | Charles Murray

Posted on 08/26/2005 6:49:50 PM PDT by dennisw

When the late Richard Herrnstein and I published The Bell Curve eleven years ago, the furor over its discussion of ethnic differences in IQ was so intense that most people who have not read the book still think it was about race. Since then, I have deliberately not published anything about group differences in IQ, mostly to give the real topic of The Bell Curve—the role of intelligence in reshaping America’s class structure—a chance to surface.

The Lawrence Summers affair last January made me rethink my silence. The president of Harvard University offered a few mild, speculative, off-the-record remarks about innate differences between men and women in their aptitude for high-level science and mathematics, and was treated by Harvard’s faculty as if he were a crank. The typical news story portrayed the idea of innate sex differences as a renegade position that reputable scholars rejected.

It was depressingly familiar. In the autumn of 1994, I had watched with dismay as The Bell Curve’s scientifically unremarkable statements about black IQ were successfully labeled as racist pseudoscience. At the opening of 2005, I watched as some scientifically unremarkable statements about male-female differences were successfully labeled as sexist pseudoscience.

The Orwellian disinformation about innate group differences is not wholly the media’s fault. Many academics who are familiar with the state of knowledge are afraid to go on the record. Talking publicly can dry up research funding for senior professors and can cost assistant professors their jobs. But while the public’s misconception is understandable, it is also getting in the way of clear thinking about American social policy.

Good social policy can be based on premises that have nothing to do with scientific truth. The premise that is supposed to undergird all of our social policy, the founders’ assertion of an unalienable right to liberty, is not a falsifiable hypothesis. But specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm.

One such premise is that the distribution of innate abilities and propensities is the same across different groups. The statistical tests for uncovering job discrimination assume that men are not innately different from women, blacks from whites, older people from younger people, homosexuals from heterosexuals, Latinos from Anglos, in ways that can legitimately affect employment decisions. Title IX of the Educational Amendments of 1972 assumes that women are no different from men in their attraction to sports. Affirmative action in all its forms assumes there are no innate differences between any of the groups it seeks to help and everyone else. The assumption of no innate differences among groups suffuses American social policy. That assumption is wrong.

When the outcomes that these policies are supposed to produce fail to occur, with one group falling short, the fault for the discrepancy has been assigned to society. It continues to be assumed that better programs, better regulations, or the right court decisions can make the differences go away. That assumption is also wrong.

Hence this essay. Most of the following discussion describes reasons for believing that some group differences are intractable. I shift from “innate” to “intractable” to acknowledge how complex is the interaction of genes, their expression in behavior, and the environment. “Intractable” means that, whatever the precise partitioning of causation may be (we seldom know), policy interventions can only tweak the difference at the margins.

I will focus on two sorts of differences: between men and women and between blacks and whites. Here are three crucial points to keep in mind as we go along:

1. The differences I discuss involve means and distributions. In all cases, the variation within groups is greater than the variation between groups. On psychological and cognitive dimensions, some members of both sexes and all races fall everywhere along the range. One implication of this is that genius does not come in one color or sex, and neither does any other human ability. Another is that a few minutes of conversation with individuals you meet will tell you much more about them than their group membership does.

2. Covering both sex differences and race differences in a single, non-technical article, I had to leave out much in the print edition of this article. This online version is fully annotated and includes extensive supplementary material.

3. The concepts of “inferiority” and “superiority” are inappropriate to group comparisons. On most specific human attributes, it is possible to specify a continuum running from “low” to “high,” but the results cannot be combined into a score running from “bad” to “good.” What is the best score on a continuum measuring aggressiveness? What is the relative importance of verbal skills versus, say, compassion? Of spatial skills versus industriousness? The aggregate excellences and shortcomings of human groups do not lend themselves to simple comparisons. That is why the members of just about every group can so easily conclude that they are God’s chosen people. All of us use the weighting system that favors our group’s strengths.1

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The technical literature documenting sex differences and their biological basis grew surreptitiously during feminism’s heyday in the 1970’s and 1980’s. By the 1990’s, it had become so extensive that the bibliography in David Geary’s pioneering Male, Female (1998) ran to 53 pages.2 Currently, the best short account of the state of knowledge is Steven Pinker’s chapter on gender in The Blank Slate (2002).3 ........


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1 posted on 08/26/2005 6:49:54 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

FULL ARTICLE AT---->>>>

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/production/files/murray0905.html


2 posted on 08/26/2005 6:50:51 PM PDT by dennisw (Muhammad was a successful Hitler. Hitler killed too many people too fast - L. Auster)
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To: dennisw

http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.23075/pub_detail.asp


3 posted on 08/26/2005 6:56:21 PM PDT by dennisw (Muhammad was a successful Hitler. Hitler killed too many people too fast - L. Auster)
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To: dennisw
>> The premise that is supposed to undergird all of our social policy, the founders’ assertion of an unalienable right to liberty, is not a falsifiable hypothesis.

That is what sets America apart, we grant rewards based on ability and not a scientific notion. No test of the hypothesis that we all start off as equals is necessary or permitted. We allow every individual the opportunity to prove to all or self that they are a star or a twit..

Eugenics, dysgenics, Nazis come into my mind after reading the post.

Good post BTW, something to ponder.
4 posted on 08/26/2005 7:11:07 PM PDT by mmercier (all God's creatures)
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To: dennisw

I once had drinks with Charles Murray at the Amsterdam Cafe at 119th street and Amsterdam in NYC. It was right before the Bell Curve came out. As I recall, he ordered a double bourbon with a beer chaser. Anyway, he told a great story about how he became a semi-libertarian.

He had been a hippie, and was in the peace corps. He went to a remote area of Thailand, where society functioned very well, and he noticed that it did so without any government. It was that experience that led him to discount the view that government tentacles are neccessary to constantly try to improve society.


5 posted on 08/26/2005 7:16:59 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: dennisw

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I'm a capable, self assured female. However, I have observed a lot of the differences in male and female capability in spatial types of math - and in figuring out which way is North . . .

So, although not politically correct to say so - as poor Mr. Summers found out - well, duh!!!


6 posted on 08/26/2005 7:22:07 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: dennisw

No glass renders a man so true as his speech.


7 posted on 08/26/2005 7:25:42 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: dennisw

An excellent article. Needless to say, government and academia will ignore it. But I like what he says in the first footnote. Men and women, blacks and whites and Asians, are different, but that doesn't mean that one group is better than another. An elephant is stronger than a man, but few men would want to be elephants. Each group has strengths, each has weaknesses--along a bell curve, of course.


8 posted on 08/26/2005 7:30:20 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dennisw
But this is just one more of the ways in which science is demonstrating that men and women are really and truly different, a fact so obvious that only intellectuals could ever have thought otherwise.

A very memorable quote from an article that is overflowing with them...

9 posted on 08/26/2005 7:44:50 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: dennisw
...a few minutes of conversation with individuals you meet will tell you much more about them than their group membership does.

Yes.

10 posted on 08/26/2005 7:50:09 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: dennisw

Thank you for the posting.


11 posted on 08/26/2005 7:54:43 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: dennisw
Thanks very much indeed for this post. Like Mr. Murray, you have cojones. :)
12 posted on 08/26/2005 8:04:19 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cicero
"Men and women, blacks and whites and Asians, are different, but that doesn't mean that one group is better than another."

And were all the various stages of prehistoric man equal to all the current variations?

Or would you suggest that evolution has reached its pinnacle for all these groups - Asian, African, White, Cro-Magnon - and therefore all are equal?

As warm and touch-feely as that sounds, it just doesn't make a bit of sense.

13 posted on 08/26/2005 8:36:41 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: Rodney King
I like your literary style. There are some questions I would like to ask you. Which country, Thailand, or the United States, has done more to further civilization; in the realm of protecting people from the horrible diseases of the world, or protecting people from the insanity of a leader who thinks they should be killed because of certain ideas they have developed, or; made their life more enjoyable, and less work intensive because of the scientific developments that a free society produces? Produced people who try to solve their problems by communication, rather than brute force, torture, and death.
14 posted on 08/26/2005 8:45:02 PM PDT by truthpls
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To: dennisw

We already knew all of that, but it's nice to hear a certified academic and a liberal (in the CLASSICAL sense) say it.


15 posted on 08/26/2005 8:50:22 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Wicket
I have observed a lot of the differences in male and female capability in spatial types of math - and in figuring out which way is North . . .

I once read an article that examined the difference between males and females to follow directions to a destination. It said to never tell a female to go North on a certain road or turn West, etc. Apparently many females do not know cardinal directions when outside.

16 posted on 08/26/2005 8:54:44 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: TaxRelief; Tax-chick

Ping!


17 posted on 08/26/2005 9:12:22 PM PDT by Huber (For a leftist to become open-minded, they must first come to know Christ)
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To: dennisw
"So Spearman’s basic conjecture was correct—the size of the black-white difference and g-loadings are correlated—and g represents a biologically grounded and highly heritable cognitive resource. When those two observations are put together, a number of characteristics of the black-white difference become predictable, correspond with phenomena we have observed in data, and give us reason to think that not much will change in the years to come."

The money quote.

Liberals will be playing the blame game for the foreseeable future.
18 posted on 08/26/2005 9:13:15 PM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: dennisw
"So Spearman’s basic conjecture was correct—the size of the black-white difference and g-loadings are correlated—and g represents a biologically grounded and highly heritable cognitive resource. When those two observations are put together, a number of characteristics of the black-white difference become predictable, correspond with phenomena we have observed in data, and give us reason to think that not much will change in the years to come."

The money quote.

Liberals will be playing the blame game for the foreseeable future.
19 posted on 08/26/2005 9:13:15 PM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: Rodney King

Great story!


20 posted on 08/27/2005 2:28:56 AM PDT by dennisw (Muhammad was a successful Hitler. Hitler killed too many people too fast - L. Auster)
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To: dennisw
I shift from “innate” to “intractable” to acknowledge how complex is the interaction of genes, their expression in behavior, and the environment. “Intractable” means that, whatever the precise partitioning of causation may be (we seldom know), policy interventions can only tweak the difference at the margins.

While I tend to think of IQ as respectable pseudoscience, I think this point is essentially correct. For example, why have women reached parity in fields like medicine and law, but not science?

21 posted on 08/27/2005 4:41:32 AM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: Popman

ping


22 posted on 08/27/2005 4:44:45 AM PDT by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: longshadow; VadeRetro; balrog666; general_re; RadioAstronomer; js1138; whattajoke; Shryke; ...
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"Durned Good Article, if you don't like it you're a retard!" Ping List

23 posted on 08/27/2005 4:48:33 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Shawndell Green

I read "BC" years ago and the one study that I could not get out of my mind involved sets of identical twins, blacks and whites, raised in different households, one rich (or better off), one poor. In each case the black-white differences remained, and the ratios between them remained. Until there is some scientific evidence that this is flawed, Houston, we have a problem.


24 posted on 08/27/2005 6:09:15 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: dennisw
Thanks for posting...he has cojones, eh?

One thing I would like to add: while group differences in traits, abilities and behaviors are good for predicting same in groups, they cannot be used to predict these factors in individuals based on their belonging to groups. Individuals go against type all the time, it's just that they're not in the majority within their group for the against-type trait they exhibit.

25 posted on 08/27/2005 6:17:24 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: dennisw
Excellent catch!

A simple platform flows from the article: Stop the lying.

Maybe something will come of this.

26 posted on 08/27/2005 6:21:28 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: dennisw

I just finished "In the Name of Eugenics" this week. An interesting book.


27 posted on 08/27/2005 6:24:08 AM PDT by Crawdad (I know we've only known each other 4 weeks and 3 days, but to me it seems like 9 weeks and 5 days)
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To: Fzob

Thanks, great article


28 posted on 08/27/2005 6:58:07 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: LS

Until you provide us with a citation, and explain just what those genetic differences are, then Houston, we have a bigot.


29 posted on 08/27/2005 7:11:27 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Durned good, indeed.

I have Murray's "In Search of Happiness and Good Government" -- is ability to objectively analyze complex issues is stunning.

30 posted on 08/27/2005 7:18:31 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: truthpls
Americans did these things despite government. Indeed, for the first century and a half of this nation's history, it was effectively a libertarian state.
31 posted on 08/27/2005 7:20:41 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: js1138; LS
Here's some evidence for ya
32 posted on 08/27/2005 7:25:16 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: js1138; LS
Here's more
33 posted on 08/27/2005 7:28:09 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: longshadow
I have Murray's "In Search of Happiness and Good Government" -- is ability to objectively analyze complex issues is stunning.

Check this out: Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950 by Charles Murray.

34 posted on 08/27/2005 8:07:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Pharmboy
"they cannot be used to predict these factors in individuals based on their belonging to groups."

Sure they can. While there may be the odd grandmother who can outrun the odd teenage track team member, one is pretty safe in playing the odds.
35 posted on 08/27/2005 8:22:49 AM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: garbanzo
"why have women reached parity in fields like medicine and law, but not science?"

Women's general superiority in verbal ability is mentioned in the article and verbal ability and manipulating emotions is important in law.

High grades are a very important factor in getting into medical school. As noted in the article, women get better grades than their test scores would predict. I think that is because women are more willing to do required busywork than are men of similar ability. To graduate from medical school and become a doctor takes lots of grinding work and women are, in general, more willing to work hard and steady, while men tend to work more in fits and starts.
Also, medical schools have practiced affirmative action in order to increase the number of women in medical school. Graduate schools of science are also using affirmative action to get more women advanced science degrees, but not enough women are interested in applying to science schools to attain parity.

Medicine has a nurturing and interpersonal element that appeals to women. Science deals with abstractions that do not have an emotional appeal to women. Men look at working in a field in which they do not have to have much interaction with other people, (read idiots) as being a good thing.
36 posted on 08/27/2005 8:33:16 AM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: LS
"Houston, we have a problem."

Not really. The only problem we have is dealing with reality. As mentioned in the article, people of all races and both sexes can be found across the continuum. The fact that we are never going to have equality of outcome for each and every subgroup without a police state is a problem the liberals have to deal with.
37 posted on 08/27/2005 8:38:18 AM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: Shawndell Green
While there may be the odd grandmother who can outrun the odd teenage track team member, one is pretty safe in playing the odds.
The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet. ~Damon Runyon

38 posted on 08/27/2005 9:09:23 AM PDT by forsnax5 (The greatest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.)
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To: dennisw

Bookmark


39 posted on 08/27/2005 9:42:52 AM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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To: js1138

I gave you the citation: Murray and Hernnstein cite extensive studies of fraternal twins of different races, where one was raised in a (say) rich white household and one in a poor white household; and blacks where one was raised in a rich black household and one in a poor household. The ratio between the richer/poorer twins stayed about the same in each race, but the IQ difference between blacks and whites---either "richer-raised" or "poorer-raised" stayed the same. That ain't bigotry. That's science that someone better explain, and not brush under a rug.


40 posted on 08/27/2005 10:23:53 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Shawndell Green

I agree. That does not account for a lot of other factors that go into success (as Murray and Hernnstein argue), such as, in our example, that the grandmother may be smarter than the high school kid (at that point, or more experienced) and find a way to cheat so as to win the race; or bribe someone to give you the victory. These are extreme examples, but it makes Murray's point that there is a lot more to success in life than IQ. IQ is a prominent predictor, but not the only predictor.


41 posted on 08/27/2005 10:39:30 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Shawndell Green
I agree there is a wide spectrum, and as Murray argues, I agree that IQ is only one (among many) factors for success. But it is, I think, unscientific to try to ignore that the IQ spectrum for Asians is higher than whites; and for whites higher than blacks. So across a spectrum, you will have many blacks significantly higher than whites, and some Asians significantly lower than blacks. But overall, you will have more Asians at the top of the IQ food chain.

Now, as an academic, I take solace (largely from my own experience as a not-too-brilliant professor, compared to my colleagues) that hard work, tenacity, a skill with people, good "luck," timing, and (personal opinion) God's blessings are worth FAR more than IQ. I went to grad school (with low GREs) with a woman who came in with near-perfect GREs. She washed out in a year! Obviously, despite her high IQ, she did not have other traits or characteristics that made for success--the ability to "jump through hoops," or get along with an advisor, or who knows what?

I don't think it is racist to say that 99% of the NBA is black, or that Asians have the highest average ("spectrum") of IQs in the world. All that IQ didn't help Japan beat us in WW II---indeed, we still built better weapons than they did.

42 posted on 08/27/2005 10:45:55 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Shawndell Green

I think these are good points - but one thing I do notice as well is that in many science graduate programs, most of the women in them are foreign-born. Culture may play a role as well.


43 posted on 08/27/2005 11:24:03 AM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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later read-whole-article and pingout.


44 posted on 08/27/2005 11:34:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: LS
These are extreme examples, but it makes Murray's point that there is a lot more to success in life than IQ. IQ is a prominent predictor, but not the only predictor.

My problem with the whole concept of IQ is what is purporting to measure. As a measurement device it's unlike any accepted metrology. It has no accepted standard and it's unclear what the precision or accuracy of a particular test is. If I have a meterstick, I can compare it with a NIST reference for example. The people at NIST can compare their standard with the internationally accepted definition of the meter. I can also state what the precision of measurement and uncertainty of a measurement made with that meterstick is. I don't know of any method of doing that with an IQ test. As such, it seems to me to be more like the Scientologist's e-meter - it measures something but not necessarily what is purporting to measure.

45 posted on 08/27/2005 11:39:41 AM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: sauropod

mark


46 posted on 08/27/2005 11:42:44 AM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: garbanzo
"in many science graduate programs, most of the women in them are foreign-born."

As are most of the men.
47 posted on 08/27/2005 1:22:49 PM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: garbanzo
My problem with the whole concept of IQ is what is purporting to measure. As a measurement device it's unlike any accepted metrology. It has no accepted standard and it's unclear what the precision or accuracy of a particular test is.

The American Psychological Association begs to disagree with you.

The link is to a reproduction of the APA 1996 report prepared in response to the controversy that arose over Murray's (and Herrnstein's) "The Bell Curve." Read the report before you make any more statements about a subject you obviously know nothing about (but are willing to make crass ideological statements about anyway...).

48 posted on 08/27/2005 2:04:37 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Durned Good Article, if you don't like it you're a retard!" Ping List

PH, does this translate into: "Your position on the bell curve is less than the lowest quartile" ??? :)

49 posted on 08/27/2005 2:29:55 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Aracelis
PH, does this translate into: "Your position on the bell curve is less than the lowest quartile" ??? :)

I'm way down at the bottom. Which makes my accomplishments all the more remarkable.

50 posted on 08/27/2005 2:33:28 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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