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Posted on 08/26/2005 10:23:32 PM PDT by A Texan, too

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To: Smokin' Joe; All

"unless you are in the liberal dominated public schools."

I got news for you: I WAS in the liberal-dominated public schools. I watched as teachers spewed anti-American rhetoric in history class, and students actually responding to the lessons by saying what "horrible things" this country has done, and what "terrible liars" the Founding Fathers were, as the teachers nodded in agreement. You think it's easy to be in a situation like that?

But I think that such a problem can't be solved by "spying" on liberals. "Spying on them" only strengthens their resolve. Why? Because these people suffer from what I call LNM, or Liberal Narcissistic Martyrdom. They envision themselves in a cartoonish hyper-version of reality, where they are perpetually "heroic rebels" fighting the "corporate system." They become so wrapped up in this idea, of rebelling against the system, it begins to encompass their entire process of thought. They blindly follow their "heroic rebel leaders" like Michael Moore, to Hell itself, if he were to go there, as long as he was "fighting the system" and "standing up for the common man."

Then, by sending spies, what we are ultimately doing is feeding their narcissism. They become ideolically narcissistic because it creates self-worth to them. It makes them feel important, like they are making a difference, by "daring to stand up against the Conservatives" for "what's right." When they discover that we have been "spying" on them, they shake their heads, and say, "These people fight mean" and "that's what they do." Then they swear to become stronger, to fight harder, because it enforces their belief that they must be in the right, because the other side resorted to what they see as "dirty tactics."

The weapon of the Conservative should be intelligence, logic, and reasoning. We must defeat liberals, not by "spying" and "gathering intelligence," but by defeating them on the debate field. As they lose the argument, they turn into Howard Dean: they become shrill, angry, and desperate. It makes them look bad. It hurts their resolve, because they realize they could be wrong.

People, I am not a weak, backbone-less person. I'm not someone who thinks we should "run away" and "be fair" to the liberals. I just see that what is best for our cause, and beliefs, and ultimately our freedoms and liberties, is to have healthy discourse and debate in this country, not hate-filled "dirty tactics." Please understand that I am not suggesting we be weak in the face of the Left. I am, above all, suggesting what I see as the best way to win. Is that so wrong?


41 posted on 08/26/2005 11:42:12 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: pcottraux

Why would we do this silly thing?"

Because, people want to know.


42 posted on 08/26/2005 11:48:49 PM PDT by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: pcottraux

ligthen up francis.


43 posted on 08/27/2005 12:00:24 AM PDT by jbstrick (insert clever tagline here)
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To: pcottraux
It doesn't sound like you know enough about what's really going on. This isn't a high school football team stealing anothers playbook. This is the DNC, MoveOn and Michael Moore hiding behind this woman with the knowledge and the help of the press. This is a begining play in the elections next year. How can they be exposed if no one knows enough about them to do so? Politics is a dirty game and we mostly play by the rules. Having a "fly on the wall" isn't the crime of the century.

Did you even LISTEN to the interview?

44 posted on 08/27/2005 12:02:17 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: philetus

"Because, people want to know."

Really? Personally, I don't give a rat's behind what goes on at Camp Cindy.


45 posted on 08/27/2005 12:04:47 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: pcottraux
" The weapon of the Conservative should be intelligence, logic, and reasoning " ....... your absolutely right about that, and we don't disagree with you on that point.

The problem is ? we have already tried to be intelligent, use logic, and tried to reason with the Liberals, but , they are illogical, and you can not reason with this lot of people.

" Then they swear to become stronger, to fight harder, " .....
They only become stronger and get the will to fight, when we ( just like the Vietnam era ) lose our will to go on or lose our will to fight, or to fight for a common cause and objective.
Our enemies will only get embolden, or stronger, when they see that we have lost our will to fight, or see the lack of support.

" I just see that what is best for our cause, and beliefs, and ultimately our freedoms and liberties, is to have healthy discourse and debate in this country, " ......

We have already had ( or at least tried ) to have a healthy discourse in this country about ideologies, ideas, and beliefs with the liberals, and they refuse to even give it a 2nd though ( if any thought at all ) about our ideas, and so forth.
They can not be reasoned with, how can you reason with someone who believes that a fetus is not a human ?

How can you reason with someone who still believes, and clings with their failed ideology and will take them, and the rest of the county down with them at all cost ?
46 posted on 08/27/2005 12:06:23 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: pcottraux
pcottraux Since May 2, 2005

Needs more seasoning.

47 posted on 08/27/2005 12:17:34 AM PDT by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: DJ MacWoW

"It doesn't sound like you know enough about what's really going on."

Classic argument tactic. Feign the ignorance of the person you're arguing with.

If you want to send "spies," fine. I won't like it because it's stupid-sounding, but do it. Send 'em to Soros' headquarters. Send 'em to Code Pinko's headquarters. Send 'em wherever. But I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing valuable will be learned at Camp Al-Sheehani. There are crazy people there. They all have LNM. They are screaming crazy anti-Bush rants.

I agree that Cindy Sheehan should be exposed for the phony that she is. Howard Dean could go over there holding hands with George Soros to hand her a check for a billion dollars, for all I care. Politics is a dirty game, but ultimately, it is the voters who will decide. An amazing amount of anti-Bush campaigns took place last year. Didn't work, did it?


48 posted on 08/27/2005 12:18:35 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: pcottraux

sorry about my spelling.


49 posted on 08/27/2005 12:20:18 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

You don't reason with them! Let them start screaming! Let them go crazy! Let them cling desperately to their crazy beliefs, no matter what! Let them follow their rebel leaders all the way to Hell! That's where they'll end up, politically speaking. I just don't think anything valuable will be attained by sending "spies" to Cindy Sheehan's anti-war campaign.


50 posted on 08/27/2005 12:22:04 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: JennysCool

Oh, stop it. Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I'm a 2-year old.


51 posted on 08/27/2005 12:23:05 AM PDT by pcottraux
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An amazing amount of anti-Bush campaigns took place last year. Didn't work, did it?

Don't be naive. Each battle is a new one in the war. And I stand by my statement, you haven't got enough facts. Fenton Communications is running the show in Crawford and THAT'S where they are and NOT Soros headquarters. Only flaming liberals would ever get access to any info or near Soros.

52 posted on 08/27/2005 12:24:50 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: JennysCool
Needs more seasoning.

I agree.

53 posted on 08/27/2005 12:26:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: pcottraux
" I agree that Cindy Sheehan should be exposed for the phony that she is " ....... honestly ? do you think that the MSM will do that ? just like Able Danger scandal, you need people to go under cover and get information to bring out the truth in the cover up.
The MSM are their cohorts and the manipulators of Cindy, surely they are not going to " Expose " the truth about Cindy, Michael Moore, Soros, so on and so on.

People like Rush, G Gordon Liddy, Freerepublic have to get the truth out and expose them, and be the defenders of American, because ? if we don't , who will ?
54 posted on 08/27/2005 12:29:08 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: DJ MacWoW

"Fenton Communications is running the show in Crawford and THAT'S where they are and NOT Soros headquarters."

And that helps us win the next election HOW?

"Don't be naive."

PLease stop saying things like that. You're turning this into a personal issue. I'm just trying to say what I think is best for us, as I see it. It's called "Another Point of View."


55 posted on 08/27/2005 12:30:06 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

"Do you think that the MSM will do that ?"

No, of course not. I agree, it is up to us. We ARE the new mainstream media. The old one, held together pillars like Dan Rather and Newsweek, is slowly beginning to crumble.

You know what? You win. Forget I ever said anything.


56 posted on 08/27/2005 12:33:35 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: pcottraux
" You don't reason with them! " ... yes, I already said that.
57 posted on 08/27/2005 12:33:42 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

That's why you win. All of you win, and I lose. Now go have a victory celebration somewhere. I'll just go somewhere else, since "new people" aren't allowed to argue with any older, wiser FReepers.


58 posted on 08/27/2005 12:36:33 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Since you're a prophet, you might find Jeremiah 48:10 interesting. "Cursed be he that doesht the work of the Lord deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood."


59 posted on 08/27/2005 12:42:38 AM PDT by pcottraux
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To: DJ MacWoW; Prophet in the wilderness

That is my final defense. I am crushed, defeat, blown apart. My arguments torn apart, my defenses penetrated, my reasoning burned to ashes. I am nothing.


60 posted on 08/27/2005 12:45:09 AM PDT by pcottraux
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