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Live Thread - Hurricane Katrina, Part IV (Update: Now a Category 5 )
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| 27 August 2005
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Posted on 08/27/2005 8:05:55 PM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: NautiNurse
Some how this guy does not inspire the kind of confidence needed in the face of a disaster. Someone must have the authority to order a mandatory evacuation--the Chief of Police, the City Manager.
This guy d/n come close to the courage of Rudy on 9/11 and the aftermath. No matter what you may think of Rudy G. you must admire what he did for NYC. As far as his personal life--yuk.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:31:17 PM PDT
by
Tarheel
( Murphy's law #21--Internet flame wars are started by two cats who did not like their supper.)
To: Jrabbit
It depends. There are a lot of variables here that are unknown - strength at landfall, eye landfall position (east or west of Lake Ponch, and forward speed of the hurricane when it makes landfall. A direct hit is not instantly an epic disaster unless the other variables align. Basically, a lot has to go "right" in order to create the doomsday scenarion. NO has a substantial homeless and impoverished population most of which are basically screwed if all the numbers come out "right". Further reaching impacts though are within the aftermath and what actually happens to the city. Some of those things are too terrible to begin to contemplate.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:31:17 PM PDT
by
Tuxedo
(This space for rent.)
To: Ellesu
NO flood while the lawyers fiddle...
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:31:17 PM PDT
by
fooman
(Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
To: NautiNurse
It appears that it may be time to head to Pat O'Brien's for his signature beverage.
As to the so called "mandatory" evacuations, if it is anything like what we have in eastern NC, they issue what are called mandatory evacuations, but the mandatory stuff is not enforceable in the usual sense of the word. What that usually means (here anyway) is that they tell you to get out, that if something bad happens to you (e.g. a tree falls on you, you suffer a heart attack, etc.) the authorities are not going to be in a position to provide any assistance to you and you are on your own. Additionally, in most mandatory evacuations, the authorities will not let you into the area if you are trying to get there. When stuff like this happens the authorities do not have the time to arrest you for refusing to do what they tell you to do because they are tied up with taking care of the other stuff that happens.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:31:30 PM PDT
by
Tom D.
(Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benj. Franklin)
To: NautiNurse
I remember someone stating in the Ivan thread (last year)about mandatory evacuations. If the city officials call for them, they are financially libel for everyone that cannot afford to evacuate. Any Louisiana FReepers remember this??
To: highimpact
The Superdome has 4 or 5 levels. Certainly the top three or four would be above the floodline (assuming the structure can hold up). Seating capacity is aroung 60,000 I believe, with room for thousands more on the outer concourses.What a horrific image: People scrambling to higher ground--like ants.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:32:20 PM PDT
by
bannie
(The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
To: bannie
Well if N.O. gets devastated by this, people may not move back in large numbers.
To: bannie
I heard the Superdome is actually 20 ft off the ground to start.
To: spycatcher
Yes, it is at a higher ground than near the riverfront. Easily the safest place in town.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:35:14 PM PDT
by
Tuxedo
(This space for rent.)
To: bannie
I'll build the ark, you gather the animals.
To: All
Sheesh! None of the cable networks are covering this. There are hundreds of thousands of people at risk, and all they can focus on is Cindy Sheehan!
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:35:53 PM PDT
by
Termite_Commander
(Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
To: Ellesu
For Pete's sake! Is the mayor going to sit around all night wrangling with his LAWYERS over this decision? What a doofus!
Meantime, he has made flight arrangements for his own family.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:36:08 PM PDT
by
Palladin
(America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
To: LA Woman3; Tom D.
That's what happens around here between mandatory (funds appropriated) and voluntary (no money) evacs. However, during the mandatory evacs, they auto-dial every phone with a recorded message to get out, they go through some neighborhoods with bullhorns, and finally, they threaten that electricity will be turned off at a specific time.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:36:13 PM PDT
by
NautiNurse
("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
To: NautiNurse
>>>There have been reports of coastal animals leaving in droves for higher ground. Meanwhile, New Orleans continues to suggest that residents evacuate.<<<
The animals are leaving already, just like they did before the Great Tsunami. Why can't the people be as sensible?
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:37:48 PM PDT
by
Palladin
(America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
To: sonsofliberty2000
Why don't I just invite everyone over to the west coast?
Just damn.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:37:54 PM PDT
by
bannie
(The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
To: Palladin
Just saw video--traffic moving very smoothly on I-10
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:38:17 PM PDT
by
NautiNurse
("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
To: All
Scary graphic for NOrl from the Accuweather pro site. This is the GFDL model, which puts this at the city as a possible 4/5 storm around Noon CDT Monday, with actual landfall around 8am.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:38:26 PM PDT
by
alancarp
(When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
To: Termite_Commander
Weather Channel. Better'n nothin'.
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:38:40 PM PDT
by
bannie
(The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
To: Palladin
There must be something wrong with me. I keep thinking "oh YEAH. Only two more days and we'll be a solid red state." :)
Then I remember that this thing could just as easily veer towards me and end up making La. an even bluer state. Good luck, N.O.
-Dan
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:38:43 PM PDT
by
Flux Capacitor
(Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
To: NautiNurse
I was reading the most recent Hurricane discussion, and Avila, who I have read for years in his discussions and bulletins, said this:
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO BE AN INTENSE
AND DANGEROUS HURRICANE HEADING TOWARD THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF
COAST...AND THIS HAS TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY.
That is a scary thought. It's been 40 years since Betsy, and almost as long since Camille...have people there forgotten what a really bad storm can do?
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posted on
08/27/2005 8:39:13 PM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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