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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
NOAA - NHC ^ | 29 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/29/2005 2:47:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: spectre

Not only will the tourism & casino employees suffer, but the state of Miss. will suffer lots of lost revenue, which isn't good with a budget that's already in a lot of trouble.


101 posted on 08/29/2005 3:29:53 AM PDT by pollyg107
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To: Semper911

I wonder when we are going to get a live shot of one of these reporters getting plastered by flying debris?

They are sure asking for it...


102 posted on 08/29/2005 3:30:28 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: mabelkitty

Oh, when I went to bed, I thought they said they'd be staying at the Dome. Must have been some problem. The weather woman on Fox yesterday was so worried about the roof of the Dome, maybe that made Fox rethink where Goldblatt would stay.


103 posted on 08/29/2005 3:31:36 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: All

Thanks for these threads. Gotta go get dressed and go to work. 3 new employees begin work today. Don't know if we can stay all day if the inland hurricane warning is accurate. Police say roads will be closed if sustained winds get to 60mph.


104 posted on 08/29/2005 3:31:43 AM PDT by pollyg107
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To: sonofatpatcher2

The east side of the storm that is blowing on shore is currently 165 MPH relative to the ground, 150 MPH from circular motion and 15 miles from the northward movement of the storm. Fact. Likewise, the west side of the storm that is blowing off shore has a ground speed of 135 MPH, 150 MPH - 15 MPH. Again, fact. Steve didn't make it up.


105 posted on 08/29/2005 3:32:04 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: mware
This may not be it, but still interesting;

Evacuees say local hotel wouldn't honor paid reservations
http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050828/NEWS05/50828024

( Google News Search, only results like your story )
106 posted on 08/29/2005 3:32:05 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Nita Nupress
Darn it, I like Shep too! He's a cutie.

sw

107 posted on 08/29/2005 3:32:19 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (God Save New Orleans)
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To: GOP_Proud
I worry about Shep speaking a little too soon. He seemed much too calm.

At 6:30 the power is still on, there's no flooding and the Shep is standing in the middle of the street and the winds don't even seem that bad yet.

And with them talking about the hurricane further weakening and turning east it looks like New Orleans will probably miss the worst of it. What a break!

108 posted on 08/29/2005 3:33:01 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: justa-hairyape
Drank too many Hurricanes

I think you're right about Shep being way too optimistic.

NOAA's IR loop still shows the eye, a little wobbly maybe, but still there, and it only now just made landfall east of Grand Isle.

109 posted on 08/29/2005 3:33:22 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: sonofatpatcher2
The reporters should wear safety Helmets..

sw

110 posted on 08/29/2005 3:34:10 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (God Save New Orleans)
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To: Jorge
FNC reports the NHC has informed them that the hurricane has just made landfall East of Grand Isle.
111 posted on 08/29/2005 3:34:20 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: bobdsmith

It isn't likely an "error".

It is likely true.

The storm surge is expected to be 20 to 30 feet. That doesn't include wave action. That's the average height of the water.


112 posted on 08/29/2005 3:34:23 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: ElisabethInCincy
just woke help me please

Yes, I'm afraid so -- the dreaded path for the worst storm surge. Will likely pass right over or to the east of the Big Not-so-Easy.

Pressure up slightly, winds slightly less, downgraded to a Cat 4.

Eyewall making landfall on the outer banks to the south of NO.

113 posted on 08/29/2005 3:34:29 AM PDT by Semper911 (Real estate is not real anymore.)
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To: DB

What is the storm surge? Wouldn't any waves have already got there by now?


114 posted on 08/29/2005 3:35:45 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: spectre

Personally I think Shep is making a fool of himself.


115 posted on 08/29/2005 3:35:59 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I saw that report too.

Could be the same hotel chain.

Things like this bring out the best and worse in people.

116 posted on 08/29/2005 3:36:00 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: mabelkitty

If the eye passes east, you have the danger of Lake Ponchatrain flooding the city. If it passes west you have the stronger winds. It's gonna be bad either way.


117 posted on 08/29/2005 3:36:25 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Jorge
And with them talking about the hurricane further weakening and turning east it looks like New Orleans will probably miss the worst of it. What a break!

Where are you getting your information?!

It's still a Cat 4 and the eye is going to brush NO. This is horrible for that area.

118 posted on 08/29/2005 3:36:28 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: mabelkitty
What if the eye moves east? Is the danger the same? I don't want to have a false sense of security, either.

From what has been described as the 'worse case scenario' for flooding, winds blowing east to west push water into Lake Ponchatrain. Lake fills to top of levees. That is happening right now and has been happening for about an hour or two. Then as hurricane passes north of Lake, back side of hurricane has northeast to southeast or north to south winds which force water to flow over levees. We wanted it to land west of New Orleans. Like the last one that spared the city catastrophic flooding. The only change now is a slight jog to east. That still does not prevent catastrophic flooding. Only lessens the severity.

119 posted on 08/29/2005 3:37:00 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Jorge

well, predictions yesterday were that a move to the east would first cause the water to pile into the lake, then as the storm moved north, the north to south winds on the west side of the storm would shove the water from the lake into NO. I'm not sure if that scenario is "called off" now?


120 posted on 08/29/2005 3:37:23 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: TomB

Horrific, but not catastrophic? Looks like the western half of the storm may be drying out a bit, weakening slightly?


121 posted on 08/29/2005 3:37:36 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: TomB

I don't know why Shep acts like things are so great. Seems to me this is a very dangerous situation.


122 posted on 08/29/2005 3:37:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: bobdsmith

Storm surge is how much the sea level rises. The winds push the water up against the shore. That rise is the average rise not including waves. Waves break higher.


123 posted on 08/29/2005 3:37:53 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: spectre
Shep is saying things are better that the winds is down to 140 miles per hour and Steve is putting Grand Isle 105 miles south of New Orleans!

Grand Isle is about 45 miles due south of NO...

Gad! Are these people in their own little world?

Do they ever read a map or realize how stupid they sound?

Of course not...

As God told Howard Beal, "Because you are on television!"

124 posted on 08/29/2005 3:38:13 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: dawn53

They were asked to move the statellite truck and I think that had something to do with it.
The Fox anchor made him out to be Marie Antoinette for the move, which was pretty irresponsible. He said there were all kinds of folks at the W - and the employees were WORKING.


125 posted on 08/29/2005 3:38:37 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: bobdsmith

DB: The storm surge is a "dome" of water that is pushed ahead by the storm's power and spinning wind force - it's not a "wave" at all - however waves do ride on top of the building surge as it reaches the coast - thus the actual impact is even greater - and more damaging than any wind effects


126 posted on 08/29/2005 3:39:04 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: bobdsmith

Storm surge is the water that's being pushed by the high winds, and like any wall of water, when it hits the shallower water of the coastline it gets bigger.


127 posted on 08/29/2005 3:39:40 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: spectre

Safety helmets will not stop a 2 by 4 traveling 40 MPH or faster...


128 posted on 08/29/2005 3:40:19 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: sonofatpatcher2
Sounds like Shep is trying to do some "damage control" from the hype yesterday. But Katrina is still a bad girl..

sw

129 posted on 08/29/2005 3:40:23 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (God Save New Orleans)
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know why Shep acts like things are so great. Seems to me this is a very dangerous situation.

That's my point Mabel. It is dangerous. These idiot newspeople are so enamored with numbers, so anytime there is a change they make a big deal out of it. Considering a lot of the storm has been over land for a while, weakening is expected. It still doesn't change the severity. These "jogs" east mean practically nothing at this point. It isn't moving enough to make a difference.

130 posted on 08/29/2005 3:41:03 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: maquiladora

Is there any way in the next few hours something could occur to change that?? I guess I should have checked in here first rather than listen to the news.....


131 posted on 08/29/2005 3:41:20 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: sonofatpatcher2
OH..what was I thinking!

sw

132 posted on 08/29/2005 3:41:35 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (God Save New Orleans)
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To: VRWCTexan

I didn't say it was a wave. I said it wasn't wave.

I said the waves are even higher than the storm surge.


133 posted on 08/29/2005 3:41:57 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: justa-hairyape

if NO doesn't flood as you (and the forecasters and modelers) are describing (let's hope it does not), what that will tell us is that the odds of a storm doing this, is almost zero. In other words, if this storm does not flood NO, then the odds of any storm having the exact conditions needed to flood NO, is almost zero. All these predictions and models we saw about what the levees could not withstand, will have been shown to be exaggerated.

its too early to tell right now.


134 posted on 08/29/2005 3:42:00 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know why Shep acts like things are so great.

Because it's looking less likely the city's going to be completely immersed? If so, sounds like good news to me :)

135 posted on 08/29/2005 3:42:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: VRWCTexan; DB

Both you guys explained Surge better than me :)


136 posted on 08/29/2005 3:42:26 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: DB

Power out at the super dome.


137 posted on 08/29/2005 3:42:47 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: oceanview
Power is out at Super Dome. Back up generators not in use YET.

sw

138 posted on 08/29/2005 3:43:37 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (God Save New Orleans)
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To: spectre

yes, I am sensing alot of that "damage control" you are describing. on TWC too.


139 posted on 08/29/2005 3:43:38 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: spectre
Katrina is still a bad girl..

I think she needs a good spanking :)

140 posted on 08/29/2005 3:43:43 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: mewzilla

Very premature assumption.


141 posted on 08/29/2005 3:43:44 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: mware

I don't see what's so super about it


142 posted on 08/29/2005 3:43:54 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: mabelkitty

If you take a look at the news you'll see how rapidly it took a turn last night, it'll get more unstable as it reaches landfall but its probably too late for any major changes now.


143 posted on 08/29/2005 3:44:18 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: spectre

Don't worry about it...

Shep has his safety cap on backwards like the cool dude he is...


144 posted on 08/29/2005 3:44:42 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: TomB

God strike me dead for saying so, but MSNBC seems to have much better coverage than Fox at this point --

They're using either real cameras or much better sat-cams, and --

They don't have Shep Smith on non-stop saying "Move along - nothing to see here"


145 posted on 08/29/2005 3:45:08 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (The most dangerous phrase in the English language: "There oughtta be a law")
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To: benjaminjjones

The eye wall has disintegrated to the southwest and yes, NO has dodged this bullet. Texas sent her some of our high dry air, which we have plenty of in August. There will be flooding, but Geraldo can get down out of the Ark. I'm afraid this will go down as ANOTHER example of media over-kill, which someday will lead to disaster.


146 posted on 08/29/2005 3:45:21 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: maquiladora

watermelon just flew near the camera.


147 posted on 08/29/2005 3:45:39 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Notewatermelon just)
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To: mware

NO!
How long until sunrise? Thank the Lord they had power all night - I can't imagine hearing all that noise in the dark!


148 posted on 08/29/2005 3:45:41 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: spectre
Power is out at Super Dome

StreetcarCam is still up

149 posted on 08/29/2005 3:45:51 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: sonofatpatcher2
Shep has his safety cap on backwards like the cool dude he is...

This way you can see his face. His face is his fortune! ;-)

150 posted on 08/29/2005 3:46:10 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (In Tampa Bay praying for all In Katrina's path.)
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