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Skip to comments.Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Posted on 08/29/2005 2:47:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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Not only will the tourism & casino employees suffer, but the state of Miss. will suffer lots of lost revenue, which isn't good with a budget that's already in a lot of trouble.
I wonder when we are going to get a live shot of one of these reporters getting plastered by flying debris?
They are sure asking for it...
Oh, when I went to bed, I thought they said they'd be staying at the Dome. Must have been some problem. The weather woman on Fox yesterday was so worried about the roof of the Dome, maybe that made Fox rethink where Goldblatt would stay.
Thanks for these threads. Gotta go get dressed and go to work. 3 new employees begin work today. Don't know if we can stay all day if the inland hurricane warning is accurate. Police say roads will be closed if sustained winds get to 60mph.
The east side of the storm that is blowing on shore is currently 165 MPH relative to the ground, 150 MPH from circular motion and 15 miles from the northward movement of the storm. Fact. Likewise, the west side of the storm that is blowing off shore has a ground speed of 135 MPH, 150 MPH - 15 MPH. Again, fact. Steve didn't make it up.
At 6:30 the power is still on, there's no flooding and the Shep is standing in the middle of the street and the winds don't even seem that bad yet.
And with them talking about the hurricane further weakening and turning east it looks like New Orleans will probably miss the worst of it. What a break!
I think you're right about Shep being way too optimistic.
NOAA's IR loop still shows the eye, a little wobbly maybe, but still there, and it only now just made landfall east of Grand Isle.
It isn't likely an "error".
It is likely true.
The storm surge is expected to be 20 to 30 feet. That doesn't include wave action. That's the average height of the water.
Yes, I'm afraid so -- the dreaded path for the worst storm surge. Will likely pass right over or to the east of the Big Not-so-Easy.
Pressure up slightly, winds slightly less, downgraded to a Cat 4.
Eyewall making landfall on the outer banks to the south of NO.
What is the storm surge? Wouldn't any waves have already got there by now?
Personally I think Shep is making a fool of himself.
Could be the same hotel chain.
Things like this bring out the best and worse in people.
If the eye passes east, you have the danger of Lake Ponchatrain flooding the city. If it passes west you have the stronger winds. It's gonna be bad either way.
Where are you getting your information?!
It's still a Cat 4 and the eye is going to brush NO. This is horrible for that area.
From what has been described as the 'worse case scenario' for flooding, winds blowing east to west push water into Lake Ponchatrain. Lake fills to top of levees. That is happening right now and has been happening for about an hour or two. Then as hurricane passes north of Lake, back side of hurricane has northeast to southeast or north to south winds which force water to flow over levees. We wanted it to land west of New Orleans. Like the last one that spared the city catastrophic flooding. The only change now is a slight jog to east. That still does not prevent catastrophic flooding. Only lessens the severity.
well, predictions yesterday were that a move to the east would first cause the water to pile into the lake, then as the storm moved north, the north to south winds on the west side of the storm would shove the water from the lake into NO. I'm not sure if that scenario is "called off" now?
Horrific, but not catastrophic? Looks like the western half of the storm may be drying out a bit, weakening slightly?
I don't know why Shep acts like things are so great. Seems to me this is a very dangerous situation.
Storm surge is how much the sea level rises. The winds push the water up against the shore. That rise is the average rise not including waves. Waves break higher.
As God told Howard Beal, "Because you are on television!"
They were asked to move the statellite truck and I think that had something to do with it.
The Fox anchor made him out to be Marie Antoinette for the move, which was pretty irresponsible. He said there were all kinds of folks at the W - and the employees were WORKING.
DB: The storm surge is a "dome" of water that is pushed ahead by the storm's power and spinning wind force - it's not a "wave" at all - however waves do ride on top of the building surge as it reaches the coast - thus the actual impact is even greater - and more damaging than any wind effects
Storm surge is the water that's being pushed by the high winds, and like any wall of water, when it hits the shallower water of the coastline it gets bigger.
Safety helmets will not stop a 2 by 4 traveling 40 MPH or faster...
That's my point Mabel. It is dangerous. These idiot newspeople are so enamored with numbers, so anytime there is a change they make a big deal out of it. Considering a lot of the storm has been over land for a while, weakening is expected. It still doesn't change the severity. These "jogs" east mean practically nothing at this point. It isn't moving enough to make a difference.
Is there any way in the next few hours something could occur to change that?? I guess I should have checked in here first rather than listen to the news.....
I didn't say it was a wave. I said it wasn't wave.
I said the waves are even higher than the storm surge.
if NO doesn't flood as you (and the forecasters and modelers) are describing (let's hope it does not), what that will tell us is that the odds of a storm doing this, is almost zero. In other words, if this storm does not flood NO, then the odds of any storm having the exact conditions needed to flood NO, is almost zero. All these predictions and models we saw about what the levees could not withstand, will have been shown to be exaggerated.
its too early to tell right now.
Because it's looking less likely the city's going to be completely immersed? If so, sounds like good news to me :)
Both you guys explained Surge better than me :)
Power out at the super dome.
yes, I am sensing alot of that "damage control" you are describing. on TWC too.
I think she needs a good spanking :)
Very premature assumption.
I don't see what's so super about it
If you take a look at the news you'll see how rapidly it took a turn last night, it'll get more unstable as it reaches landfall but its probably too late for any major changes now.
Don't worry about it...
Shep has his safety cap on backwards like the cool dude he is...
God strike me dead for saying so, but MSNBC seems to have much better coverage than Fox at this point --
They're using either real cameras or much better sat-cams, and --
They don't have Shep Smith on non-stop saying "Move along - nothing to see here"
The eye wall has disintegrated to the southwest and yes, NO has dodged this bullet. Texas sent her some of our high dry air, which we have plenty of in August. There will be flooding, but Geraldo can get down out of the Ark. I'm afraid this will go down as ANOTHER example of media over-kill, which someday will lead to disaster.
watermelon just flew near the camera.
How long until sunrise? Thank the Lord they had power all night - I can't imagine hearing all that noise in the dark!
This way you can see his face. His face is his fortune! ;-)